AI infantry not following formation (my lead) or direction i am facing properly. They use to but now they dont.

[PRTSC89]

I've got a problem thats driving me nuts!! Example when in formation, say single file, the ai units wont follow directly behind me unless i command them to stop then regroup. But if i turn around to head in the other direction (180degrees) i go from point man, to last. Or if i make a left they stay on my left like in line formation instead of falling in (behind me) like they use to. Same goes for all other formations. They never use to do this.

Did some testing and they do eventually fall in but only after moving in a straight line for more than a minute or a few hundred meters. which is way too long and not ideal when changing direction or moving around buildings in a town. they just walk straight into walls and stuff or get in the way when i change direction.

Did i press a key to make them hold/freeze their formation like this while moving? Before this, taking a few steps would get them to form up behind me. Restarting the game didnt fix it. Tried without mods, still a no go. Hoping someone here knows whats wrong. Im new to Arma so thats the first problem.

[xBCxRangers]

Well i have a Mod for SOG Prairie Fire, and same thing there. The AI isn't perfect, but i'm just glad to have it.

[PRTSC89]

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Well i have a Mod for SOG Prairie Fire, and same thing there. The AI isn't perfect, but i'm just glad to have it.

oh ok so its normal then? swear they use to form up properly before. guess i just have to keep spamming return to formation for now :(

[xBCxRangers]

Yeah, i mean i've had this mod the past week or so, and yeah especially in the jungle there maybe trees around, or hills and they get out of formation, or sometimes even follow the order. But before this mod, you had to play solo, and it was awful. This mod for me was the best thing, warts and all.

[PRTSC89]

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Yeah, i mean i've had this mod the past week or so, and yeah especially in the jungle there maybe trees around, or hills and they get out of formation, or sometimes even follow the order. But before this mod, you had to play solo, and it was awful. This mod for me was the best thing, warts and all.

im gonna give that mod a try currently using dynamic war system with ace. thanks for the info dude appreciate it

[xBCxRangers]

Not a problem. Enjoy.

[|H|H| Fr3ddi3]

Long story short, the AI is not very intuitive when it comes to moving in formation ... or indeed assuming their positions within a formation if they break out of line by pathing / the formation changed.

Generally speaking i'd get them off the V formations, give them a file or column instead when moving around outside of combat, use the line formation when you want to shoot at stuff or advance on something.

You can also toy with their individual formation setting by telling individual members to advance, fallback, flank left / right. They'll still maintain formation in relation to you but they'll move like 10 meters away, ... the distance allows them to move around a little more independently and does not slow them down as much.

Lastly, the speed at which all AI does things, but specifically AI following YOUR orders, is decided by just how much is going on overall, more AI, objects, scripting? slower response.

[PRTSC89]

Originally posted by |H|H| Fr3ddi3:

Long story short, the AI is not very intuitive when it comes to moving in formation ... or indeed assuming their positions within a formation if they break out of line by pathing / the formation changed.

Generally speaking i'd get them off the V formations, give them a file or column instead when moving around outside of combat, use the line formation when you want to shoot at stuff or advance on something.

You can also toy with their individual formation setting by telling individual members to advance, fallback, flank left / right. They'll still maintain formation in relation to you but they'll move like 10 meters away, ... the distance allows them to move around a little more independently and does not slow them down as much.

Lastly, the speed at which all AI does things, but specifically AI following YOUR orders, is decided by just how much is going on overall, more AI, objects, scripting? slower response.

I like the ai in arma because of how much you can make them do. the learning curve is massive but i like it. the issue im having is its like they are stuck and dont recognize the direction i am facing while moving.

say if i turn around (180deg) in single file and move foward they will now be in front of me moving foward and dont fall in behind. when i stop, they stop too instead of continuing to fall in.

is this normal? i didnt have this problem before, but now they get in the way alot because of it.

[the.lovewyrm]

I think it's normal that they won't completely realign just because you did a 180 and moved into them a little.
I think it's there so people who don't freelook or use trackIR and the like can still look around without the entire formation breaking.

If you want them to fall back in formation immediately, select them all and just choose return to formation, then they will use your current orientation to regroup. This can be done one the move even.

[PRTSC89]

Originally posted by the.lovewyrm:

I think it's normal that they won't completely realign just because you did a 180 and moved into them a little.
I think it's there so people who don't freelook or use trackIR and the like can still look around without the entire formation breaking.

If you want them to fall back in formation immediately, select them all and just choose return to formation, then they will use your current orientation to regroup. This can be done one the move even.

yeah i figured that would be the only solution for now. I'll just keep using return to formation. whats TrackIR? is that in settings? gonna have a sweep through my settings to see if ive mucked something up there.

[the.lovewyrm]

Originally posted by PRTSC89:

Originally posted by the.lovewyrm:

I think it's normal that they won't completely realign just because you did a 180 and moved into them a little.
I think it's there so people who don't freelook or use trackIR and the like can still look around without the entire formation breaking.

If you want them to fall back in formation immediately, select them all and just choose return to formation, then they will use your current orientation to regroup. This can be done one the move even.

yeah i figured that would be the only solution for now. I'll just keep using return to formation. whats TrackIR? is that in settings? gonna have a sweep through my settings to see if ive mucked something up there.

TrackIR is a hardware device that basically keeps track of your head position and rotation.
It allows you to map your reallife head movement to your ingame soldier.

It's very popular with heli pilots cause they can do some real fancy flying while being able to keep their eyes on the target even if the chopper is currently strafing sideways while also moonwalking and getting shot at.

[PRTSC89]

Originally posted by the.lovewyrm:

Originally posted by PRTSC89:

yeah i figured that would be the only solution for now. I'll just keep using return to formation. whats TrackIR? is that in settings? gonna have a sweep through my settings to see if ive mucked something up there.

TrackIR is a hardware device that basically keeps track of your head position and rotation.
It allows you to map your reallife head movement to your ingame soldier.

It's very popular with heli pilots cause they can do some real fancy flying while being able to keep their eyes on the target even if the chopper is currently strafing sideways while also moonwalking and getting shot at.

oh wow thats pretty cool. thanks for info mate

[sandrastarling]

This problem you refer to happens to me but I notice also that vehicles tend to just stop and then quit following. I must first tell them to stop. Then to regroup. They will not regroup if I simply issue that regroup command. I know for a fact this NEVER bothered me in the past. So something changed?
Anyway the AI is the AI and don't expect them to do too much and be happy if you are engaged that they even notice and return fire. That's a really good day in Arma.

[PRTSC89]

Originally posted by sandrastarling:

This problem you refer to happens to me but I notice also that vehicles tend to just stop and then quit following. I must first tell them to stop. Then to regroup. They will not regroup if I simply issue that regroup command. I know for a fact this NEVER bothered me in the past. So something changed?
Anyway the AI is the AI and don't expect them to do too much and be happy if you are engaged that they even notice and return fire. That's a really good day in Arma.

Haha so true i should just be happy they return fire. That there pretty much made me feel way better about the ai. Cheers mate now it wont annoy me as much XD