"Old man" - more terrible Arma missions.

[teg]

I've bought all the Armas and all the DLC. I just want to get that out of the way before I start complaining.

I saw a story on RPS about "Old Man". Like every time I come back to Arma to try again, I was hoping things had finally turned around and we could get a decent mission. So far it's not been working out.

1 - I do a mission for Ensamble, my phone contact tells me to go to a gorilla base to pick up medicine. I try it 3 times and each time they gun me down. So then I go in shooting and my contact then calls me to tell me I screwed up. Now what?

2 - I try to do the mission where I take pics of the medical equipment. 2 pics then no clue what to do next "keep looking"..for something unspecified. Cops start to shoot at me for no reason. Am I supposed to kill the cops? Who knows?

3 - Even though it's beta and bugs are to be expected, you can't save anywhere so, each time the rebels gun me down, I have to drive 5 minutes to try again.

4 - It takes more bullets to cap an enemy than I can survive. I put 4 45's into a guy and he just shrugs it off like it's nothing. When I get the jump on someone, it kinds sucks when they turn around and shoot me after I've put 4 bullets into them already. Is this realism? Not any realism I've ever seen.

I'm not going to complain about the shooting. That's just Arma. I accept how unrealistic it is. I wish the enemies couldn't kill me so easily at night. Even with NV, they're completly invisible but the bullets find me somehow.

Maybe when Arma 4 comes out, it'll finally be fixed. Maybe arma 1, 2 and 3 were just a trial run (I keep telling myself). Kinda like Witcher.

[teg]

Oh yeah, when I rile up CSAT, the voices over the radio aren't all the same language. I get Chinese, some English and some languages I don't know. It's like some localization bleed over.

[Operational Otter]

If you are so dissatisfied with the state of available missions, why not make your own??
That is kind of the point of the Eden Creator. It gives you the freedom to make scenarios to your liking.

[El Berl]

Originally posted by teg:

4 - It takes more bullets to cap an enemy than I can survive. I put 4 45's into a guy and he just shrugs it off like it's nothing. When I get the jump on someone, it kinds sucks when they turn around and shoot me after I've put 4 bullets into them already. Is this realism? Not any realism I've ever seen.

The game makes a half-decent attempt at simulating body armor. This will probably surprise you, but successfully stopping four hits of generic .45 ACP wouldn't even result in a pass for Level I armor here in the US under the NIJ standard. Everything is six-hit minimum (aside from Level IV) and typical .45 FMJ is a pretty poor penetrator. It won't fare well against armor rated to stop .357 Magnum (Level II) or .44 Magnum (Level IIIA) from the 1990s, let alone what CSAT could be using in 2035.

The ability for a guy to "walk off" four stopped hits of .45 ACP is perfectly realistic. In fact, it should be more. Blunt trauma through body armor, IRL, is controlled under every body armor standard under the sun. Furthermore, psychological responses to pain are myriad and should not be trusted as a reliable method of getting the target to drop. Due to the lack of scientific faith in psychological stops, it wouldn't make sense to simulate them.

What you need is either armor piercing ammunition or some stronger body armor of your own. Those require mods to acquire and who knows how well Old Man works with those.

[teg]

If you are so dissatisfied with the state of available missions, why not make your own??

"If you're so unsatisfied with your car, why don't you make you own?" We pay experts to do things for us that we either can't or don't have time to do.

Why do you feel the need to defend Bohemia? The most charitable thing you can say is that their missions are unpolished. I don't mind giving people money who make fun toys for me. Isn't that what this business is about? Maybe you're right and I shouldn't bother with Arma anymore.

I've barely started this mission and already run into one and perhaps two progression stopping bugs/problems. I'm reporting them.

[Sgt Smash]

Good job "Old Man" is a free workshop mod still in beta then!

[Rodi]

sounds to me like you didn't take two seconds to understand game mechanics of old man.
you save at safe houses or with sleeping bag items
biggest problem it has is the current lack of documentation of its systems

[Hortzy]

These questions your asking.. "am i supposed to shoot the cops? Where is this item im looking for? Why are the gorillas shooting at me?"
Are all questions that this game mode wants you to ask yourself.

Thats not ♥♥♥♥♥♥ or buggy development, its 100 percent intended..

Its a open world scenario where your free to achieve objectives anyway you wish, and it doesnt hold your hand while your doing it.

Maybe try changing up your play style. Be more stealthy, assume both sides are possibly hostile depending of course on each situation.
Use different outfits to accommadate different tasks you encounter.
And dont just barge into areas thinking you own the map. Some places are resctricted, and you will be shot on sight if they catch you.

Anyways, ive been having alot of fun with the scenario and believe its very good presentation for a beta.

[C4TB00]

you forget you are an oldman... thos AI's is more young than you :D

[M A N T I S]

Originally posted by Hortzy:

These questions your asking.. "am i supposed to shoot the cops? Where is this item im looking for? Why are the gorillas shooting at me?"
Are all questions that this game mode wants you to ask yourself.

Thats not ♥♥♥♥♥♥ or buggy development, its 100 percent intended..

Its a open world scenario where your free to achieve objectives anyway you wish, and it doesnt hold your hand while your doing it.

Maybe try changing up your play style. Be more stealthy, assume both sides are possibly hostile depending of course on each situation.
Use different outfits to accommadate different tasks you encounter.
And dont just barge into areas thinking you own the map. Some places are resctricted, and you will be shot on sight if they catch you.

Anyways, ive been having alot of fun with the scenario and believe its very good presentation for a beta.

I think you just pointed out, and himself that Arma 3 clearly is not the game for him, their is evidence in this post that suggest he/she is clearly not mature enough to even pay attention or understand what is going on. i can attest that this game as well as the ''Old Man'' mod that is also in *beta* has bugs... like anyone who ''plays'' Arma knows this lol on a more serious note, maybe this mod is not your style?? literally zero things to complain about here. pick some of the other THOUSANDS of scenario's on Workshop. there is a lot of other mods that are similar to this, and probably do a better job too.

[Operational Otter]

Originally posted by teg:

If you are so dissatisfied with the state of available missions, why not make your own??

"If you're so unsatisfied with your car, why don't you make you own?" We pay experts to do things for us that we either can't or don't have time to do.

Why do you feel the need to defend Bohemia? The most charitable thing you can say is that their missions are unpolished. I don't mind giving people money who make fun toys for me. Isn't that what this business is about? Maybe you're right and I shouldn't bother with Arma anymore.

I've barely started this mission and already run into one and perhaps two progression stopping bugs/problems. I'm reporting them.

Originally posted by {FREE OZIL} Sgt Smash:

Good job "Old Man" is a free workshop mod still in beta then!

LOL he seems too DAFT to understand this is not a mission included in the basegame and is something that is FREE

[Vince]

Originally posted by Otters From Space:

If you are so dissatisfied with the state of available missions, why not make your own??
That is kind of the point of the Eden Creator. It gives you the freedom to make scenarios to your liking.

Oh yeah ! That's brilliant ! And if you don't like the game why don't you develop your game by yourself ?

[Operational Otter]

Originally posted by Vince:

Originally posted by Otters From Space:

If you are so dissatisfied with the state of available missions, why not make your own??
That is kind of the point of the Eden Creator. It gives you the freedom to make scenarios to your liking.

Oh yeah ! That's brilliant ! And if you don't like the game why don't you develop your game by yourself ?

You are just as ignorant and stupid my friend.

This is NOT part of the BASE GAME it is a USER MADE WORKSHOP MISSION

[Vince]

Just saying anyone has the right to be unsatisfied... I don' t feel ignorant nor stupid, maybe you should avoid this kind of assessment...

[Vince]

+ is it really user made ? Not sure of that. OK maybe in a way I'm ignorant but looking at description of the scenario:

Bohemia Incubator
The “Old Man” scenario is released as part of Bohemia Incubator, a label for experimental projects that are made available to the public. Visit https://incubator.bohemia.net for more information.

Feedback
This scenario is currently in beta and is exclusively distributed via the Arma 3 Steam Workshop. If you experience any game issues, please report them to our Feedback Tracker[feedback.bistudio.com]. If you’d like to share other feedback, we kindly ask you to post it in this Workshop item's comment/discussion section or the dedicated Bohemia forums thread[forums.bohemia.net].

License
This Workshop item is distributed under the Arma Public License Share Alike (APL-SA) license. For more information, go to https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/arma-public-license-share-alike.

[Sams]

Originally posted by Otters From Space:

Originally posted by Vince:

Oh yeah ! That's brilliant ! And if you don't like the game why don't you develop your game by yourself ?

You are just as ignorant and stupid my friend.

This is NOT part of the BASE GAME it is a USER MADE WORKSHOP MISSION

This is an official mission made by Bohemia Interactive and it will be added to everyone's base game when it leaves beta phase.