What makes this game unrealistic

[yourothersis]

I know this isn't completly made to be a milsim, but I still love this game, One problem that's been bugging me is people can take 5 bullets to the legs, Thats INSANE, People should fall down or at least limp after one shot to the legs, I remember watching some youtuber who showed just how many times you could shoot someone in Arma 3 By shooting all the health pools to extremly low amounts, dude survived like 20 bullets, This really ruins the immersion for me.

[Speedbump]

Yeah it can be crazy.

[B✪✪tsy]

Caliber of the bullet matters. You can shoot a clip of 9mm bullets in a leg in real life and it still can be non lethal. Thats why cops always try to aim for the legs. Doesn't ACE have a feature of not being able to stand up when wounded?

[El Berl]

Originally posted by B00tsy:

Caliber of the bullet matters. You can shoot a clip of 9mm bullets in a leg in real life and it still can be non lethal. Thats why cops always try to aim for the legs. Doesn't ACE have a feature of not being able to stand up when wounded?

Under ACE you can still stand but you're going to walk on a limp until you're patched up through either basic supplies or a PAK depending on your specific ACE settings. Also, find a source on the "leg shots always", because there are arteries in your legs that will bleed a damn good lot if struck, making a lot of leg shots impractical not just for putting you down hard and fast, which the FBI's terminal ballistics studies demonstrated can only be done through a hit to the vitals, but also for taking you down nonlethally.

In reality, shot placement matters a lot more than caliber anyway. A 9x19mm to the central nervous system works a lot better than a 9.3x64mm to the shoulder if you want fast (sub 20 second) incapacitation, but in the heat of the moment a larger caliber will always have an edge over smaller ones that only grows larger as shot placement becomes worse. Arma's hitpoint model is admittedly unrealistic and as far as I know satisfies neither the "Hardcore" or the "Realism" camps' wishes.

Although, generally speaking, the entire terminal ballistics model - both against body armor and flesh, leaves much to be desired and is obviously in our specific context a stopgap for modded solutions of superior grade.

[NZPorterDJ]

Why most arguments don't hold up in RL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdjcYjSsIok

Sometimes they just won't go down! Just saying...

[Dada]

No thats not true, with the vanilla damage system thats 3 or 4 bullet max if you got the higher armor protection.
After thousand hour on that game i never see a player or an AI who survived to more than 5 hit if the game is vanilla.

If you need more than 20 bullet to die its because you use mods like ACE or script like AIS with a higher damage tolerance setting.

Thats look like a troll this post

[El Berl]

Originally posted by Kurt:

No thats not true, with the vanilla damage system thats 3 or 4 bullet max if you got the higher armor protection.
After thousand hour on that game i never see a player or an AI who survived to more than 5 hit if the game is vanilla.

If you need more than 20 bullet to die its because you use mods like ACE or script like AIS with a higher damage tolerance setting.

Thats look like a troll this post

Remember, distance makes a difference.

[theLoudmouth]

Originally posted by B00tsy:

Thats why cops always try to aim for the legs.

Cops dont aim for legs, at all... ever.

[El Berl]

Originally posted by Pain:

Originally posted by B00tsy:

Thats why cops always try to aim for the legs.

Cops dont aim for legs, at all... ever.

You certainly said it a lot more directly than I did mate.

[Captain n00by]

It's because the game is a bit futuristic, meaning better armour for units.

But yeah, in OFP they died after a shot, two, here they die after 5 or so. There was even a vid comparing that but I can't find it now.

Anyways - mod it.

[El Berl]

Originally posted by noobean:

It's because the game is a bit futuristic, meaning better armour for units.

But yeah, in OFP they died after a shot, two, here they die after 5 or so. There was even a vid comparing that but I can't find it now.

Anyways - mod it.

Funny, considering rifle plates from the early 1990s outperform the stuff in Arma dramatically on all counts, but hey, a game is a game. Additionally, you'd think that the game being a bit futuristic would result in the development of better ammunition - but alas, the 5.56x45mm modeled in Arma III is vietnam-era M193. Might explain why it's a little wimpy in the armor and barrier piercing departments.

I do agree however. If you've got a problem with the game - mod it away.

[Rat]

Originally posted by NZPorterDJ:

Why most arguments don't hold up in RL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdjcYjSsIok

Sometimes they just won't go down! Just saying...

a fellow donut operator fan... Hello there, where is your tactical assault microwave and your tactical bork bork nom nom?

[yourothersis]

Its not the point that you dont die after being shot in the legs, its just the guys keep going like nothing happened? I don't care when this game is set, Thats insane, I will try ACE3 But I'm Surprised this isnt a default feature in the game such as when your shot in the legs you at least slow down.

[Sgt Smash]

I remember a episode of cops where the cops shot this guy dressed up as a ninja running along a banister of a balcony, they shot him 30 something times before he showed signs of being shot and dropped, He was very high on drugs tho lol

[El Berl]

Originally posted by 2Tired:

Its not the point that you dont die after being shot in the legs, its just the guys keep going like nothing happened? I don't care when this game is set, Thats insane, I will try ACE3 But I'm Surprised this isnt a default feature in the game such as when your shot in the legs you at least slow down.

Shot placement can and will result in grazes being failure-to-stop shots. I agree, however. The stock model is lacking.

[Katt0]

That's why there is mods like ACE for people like you and me that are picky with their medical realism.