ASP-1 Kir fanclub

[El Berl]

It's super silent, super slow, and super deadly! The sniper rifle with the punch of a lion and the reach of a pistol! The hand blaster that may as well be handheld artillery with how much drop compensation you need!

Who else likes this beautiful thing! The only subsonic weapon in Arma III.

[Sgt Smash]

It pretty cool gun for the reason why the concept was made in real life

[El Berl]

If you can manage the holdover and travel time, it is effective out to about 750 meters. Energy retention is great, so it's a distinctly expert option to a 5.56 DMR.

[Sgt Smash]

Originally posted by Wumbologist:

I do. It's a concept version of the VSS Vintorez which was probably influenced by the De Lisle carbine. I don't consider it a sniper rifle though. Because it doesn't have a very long effective range.

The real one was made for CQB to shoot pass one target and to hit another without the other knowing, there are some good videos on YT that can explain it better than me

[El Berl]

Originally posted by 🔫Sgt 🆂Ⓜ️🅰🆂🅷:

Originally posted by Wumbologist:

I do. It's a concept version of the VSS Vintorez which was probably influenced by the De Lisle carbine. I don't consider it a sniper rifle though. Because it doesn't have a very long effective range.

The real one was made for CQB to shoot pass one target and to hit another without the other knowing, there are some good videos on YT that can explain it better than me

The VSS Vintorez is a subsonic weapon, albeit one chambered in the weaker 9x39mm cartridge and not the ASP-1 Kir's 12.7x55mm cartridge. All subsonic weapons have this quality, but not many have the match accuracy of the Kir.

[8-The-General-8]

And, hardly anyone uses it...

Handy for ambushing fully loaded landing helis with an acog sight, taking pot shots at passing vehicles and, just ambushing in general.

Very useful weapon.

[El Berl]

Originally posted by 8-The-General-8:

Hardly anyone uses it...

Handy for ambushing fully loaded landing helis with an acog sight, taking pot shots at passing vehicles and, just ambushing in general.

Very useful weapon.

Agreed. I have quite the sigh when people complain the AI is impossible to sneak past. The ASP-1 in combination with a ghillie suit is the way. People just don't use it because you have to absolutely use a rangefinding technique with it.

It would really benefit from rounds with higher ballistic coefficients - longer bullets or heavier bullets will suffice. The ASP-1 Kir looks heavily-built, there's no reason why the otherwise robust 12.7x55mm case cannot be loaded hotter with a heavy and long bullet with some more powder... keep the speed below 300m/s for safety between altitudes and you're boosting the effective range probably up to 850 meters.

With how simple stock Arma's ballistic model is, there's no reason why the ASP-1 Kir cannot be used for 1,000 meter "ghost shots". It is far and away superior to other sniper rifles once you gain a mastery of it for quiet kills and hit-and-run attacks.

[Sgt Smash]

Originally posted by V. Berlioz:

Originally posted by 🔫Sgt 🆂Ⓜ️🅰🆂🅷:

The real one was made for CQB to shoot pass one target and to hit another without the other knowing, there are some good videos on YT that can explain it better than me

The VSS Vintorez is a subsonic weapon, albeit one chambered in the weaker 9x39mm cartridge and not the ASP-1 Kir's 12.7x55mm cartridge. All subsonic weapons have this quality, but not many have the match accuracy of the Kir.

Im talking about the ASP-1 Kir's 12.7x55mm and that it's not the VSS irl, sorry i should had been more clear my bad

[El Berl]

Originally posted by 🔫Sgt 🆂Ⓜ️🅰🆂🅷:

Originally posted by V. Berlioz:

The VSS Vintorez is a subsonic weapon, albeit one chambered in the weaker 9x39mm cartridge and not the ASP-1 Kir's 12.7x55mm cartridge. All subsonic weapons have this quality, but not many have the match accuracy of the Kir.

Im talking about the ASP-1 Kir's 12.7x55mm and that it's not the VSS irl, sorry i should had been more clear my bad

Ah, no problem mate.

[pokefan548]

Arma needs more weapons with intergrated suppressors and subsonic ammo. Honestly, subsonic ammo variants should be available for all applicable calibers.

[straighta10]

Originally posted by pokefan548:

Arma needs more weapons with intergrated suppressors and subsonic ammo. Honestly, subsonic ammo variants should be available for all applicable calibers.

Back in Arma 2 they were. You can also get mods which add subsonic ammo for vanilla, and modded weapons. Check out the niarms pack.

[pokefan548]

Originally posted by straighta10:

Originally posted by pokefan548:

Arma needs more weapons with intergrated suppressors and subsonic ammo. Honestly, subsonic ammo variants should be available for all applicable calibers.

Back in Arma 2 they were. You can also get mods which add subsonic ammo for vanilla, and modded weapons. Check out the niarms pack.

I know, but I can't well bring modded weapons into vanilla servers, yeah? I'd really love to see NATO get a SIG MCX, chambered in .300 Blackout with an integrated suppressor, a la the AAC Honey Badger that it replaced.