SWOP (Star Wars: Opposition) mod

[petrtlach]

PEOPLE, THIS MOD USE MODELS WITHOUT PERMISSION. I REPORT ALL TRY ADD THIS MOD TO STEAM WORKSHOP. THIS PEOPLE USE ME WWII MODELS I NOT HIM GIVE PERMISSION AND NO CAN HIM THIS PERMISSION GIVE..


NOTE FROM LATE TIME:
THIS PROBLEM I AM SOLVE WITH SWOP. PROBLEM BEGIN IN RB Studio. SWOP delete model after personal message..

[cerebus23]

Originally posted by V. Berlioz:

Originally posted by cerebus23:

It is great they are not making money on a mod that uses stolen assets.

But if it is hosted on a official mod site or steam they can get in trouble.

And with disney owing the IP now they would swoop in and have desist letters flying out the doors. Sooner or later.

Hell i use a bunch of berserk mods for skyrim, and that mod ripped its models out of an old arse ps2 game that was never even sold in america officially, and wherever he uploads the mods they get taken down eventuially. Like who even cares about an ancient ps2 game?

Disney will find them and they will take their stuff down no reason to get hyper at all,. just make sure if you like the star wars grab the mods and back them up somewhere because those files will start going bye bye.

The SW:O team is using sketchy-as-can-be adf.ly redirects for all of their download links. They're making pennies off of this stuff, that's for sure.

Also reading up they stole another modding teams assets, after asking that team and got shot down because they did not want their assets alongside ripped assets out of bf2 or w/e that was going to get legal attention.

https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/205715-star-wars-mod-what-is-going-on/

You can find most of the details there.

Either way no reason to white knight for disney lol they got enough lawyers and money to crush anyone. This stuff would not fly very long period.

[El Berl]

The SW:O team ought to be let free if they do the following:

1. They provide credit for any and all modders whose work is included in Star Wars: Opposition that is not currently credited.

2. They retract the Adf.ly links and replace them with regular download links off of Google Drive and/or Mega.nz.

I'm fairly certain Disney will let them go if they hold themselves up to the second point, and I'm pretty sure the BHI and CSA38 teams (along with anyone else) will drop charges if they hold themselves up to the first.

[AdorableSparrow]

Originally posted by Noob ☑ 초보:

Originally posted by petrtlach:

NEVER, ITS RUSSIAN LOOSERS... ONE FAIL ITS FAIL BUT GIVE ME MODELS TO OTHER....I AM SO ANGRY... NEVER GIVE PERMISSION.

It's like talking to a brick wall that's been hit with a transit van.

i died at this is soooo fuunnyy

[AdorableSparrow]

Face it pepole loved the mod. meny use it. its not like you or anyothers will make anything like it. thay went and got ♥♥♥♥ done, made eveyone a mod thay love and thay made no profit.

[petrtlach]

MG34 = DLT-19 heavy blaster rifle... SWO no made work but they take work from others.. I work too at "free" mods but exist "Copyright". I can so that this team delete all download page.

[Henderson]

Originally posted by MaryRead:

Face it pepole loved the mod. meny use it. its not like you or anyothers will make anything like it. thay went and got ♥♥♥♥ done, made eveyone a mod thay love and thay made no profit.

Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded? Petrtlach is one of the leading WW2 Modders, and one of the best i've seen. You sirr are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ false on that statement, and I say IMMEDIATELY retract it before people ♥♥♥♥ up your day.

[BoleslavUkrutny]

Originally posted by V. Berlioz:

The SW:O team ought to be let free if they do the following:

1. They provide credit for any and all modders whose work is included in Star Wars: Opposition that is not currently credited.

2. They retract the Adf.ly links and replace them with regular download links off of Google Drive and/or Mega.nz.

I'm fairly certain Disney will let them go if they hold themselves up to the second point, and I'm pretty sure the BHI and CSA38 teams (along with anyone else) will drop charges if they hold themselves up to the first.

I'm afraid that's not gonna happen. The developers of stolen content are not willing to reconcile them anymore, neither does the Russian team behind SW:O seem to care and frankly nothing will make them care.

[El Berl]

Originally posted by BoleslavUkrutny:

Originally posted by V. Berlioz:

The SW:O team ought to be let free if they do the following:

1. They provide credit for any and all modders whose work is included in Star Wars: Opposition that is not currently credited.

2. They retract the Adf.ly links and replace them with regular download links off of Google Drive and/or Mega.nz.

I'm fairly certain Disney will let them go if they hold themselves up to the second point, and I'm pretty sure the BHI and CSA38 teams (along with anyone else) will drop charges if they hold themselves up to the first.

I'm afraid that's not gonna happen. The developers of stolen content are not willing to reconcile them anymore, neither does the Russian team behind SW:O seem to care and frankly nothing will make them care.

It's a shame that the idealistic outcome seems like such a pipe dream. The SW:O team has stolen content and I understand why petrtlach feels like he's getting ripped off. I once thought a little while ago that all modders could put aside "ownership" of their creations and allow derivations for the common good, but then I realized how much that design would damage many modders' enthusiasm to mod.

I won't ever forget back in the early days, before SW:O was taken off the workshop, how one skeptic called Icarus called a SW:O developer's response "a classic eastern-european backout". He was totally right. The SW:O team hails from the Russian Federation, which does jack-all when it comes to DMCA takedowns. The Russian Federation is in the top three international copyright offenders, mixed in with the People's Republic of China and India. The Star Wars Opposition team is just the tip of the copied iceberg... just without the high ground. (It's over Anakin!)

Unfortunately for many, the SW:O team is virtually untouchable and their mod will continue to be around for many days to pass. Even if you get it off of Google Drive and Mega.nz through a flurry of DMCA requests, it will continue to be reuploaded either onto progressively sketchier websites or under false names. I'm anticipating a lot of "underground" modders like the SW:O team will start using darknet solutions if the BHI and CSA38 teams start laying down fire.

There are two options:

One, the content owners start developing tools like the Workshop Crawler to find and automatically file copyright takedowns on their mods. This won't work if the offenders start encrypting their mods. Victory will be achieved when alternative channels become so obscure and difficult to use that proliferation of the offending mods becomes virtually impossible. Downside is that this will cost a lot of time and will be very dramatic across the internet.

Two, the rightful owners walk away and let the SW:O team be. The underground modders will continue ripping and polishing content as they please and the players get to enjoy maximum content with minimum stress. Regardless of your point of view, Star Wars Opposition is pretty fun. Only downside is that this status quo will continue.

[petrtlach]

I give permission at me models to other mod, but not for this after what they did. I am give permission for use to WoG as privat permission (for MP) and people from WoG work too in Red Bear, but this team give this models to other mods as IFA3 Liberation , SWO. IFA3 Liberation me ask after and no problem, but SWO never. After this behavior i no can give to SWO permission.

[El Berl]

They took that MG34 from you without permission and they're certainly not begging for forgiveness. I think the point of giving permission is way past. As I said in the above post, you can't actually do much to stop them besides fighting constant copyright-warfare. The SW:O developer Scar isn't making any comment, which, if history means anything, strikes me as a bit of a "guilty-as-charged" play.

I think your mod is pretty sweet Petrtlach and a lot of other people do too. The SWO team has their audience and you have yours. You'll just have to keep on modding while they do whatever elsewhere. Just remember that the community will always treasure your contributions to Arma.

[Cruisie]

Star Wars Mod, using World War 2 models? Where? Where? Where?

[El Berl]

Petrtlach, one of CSA38's developers, claims that the Star Wars Opposition team is using his MG34 model as a base for the DLT-19. Figures, since the Galactic Empire's weaponry was actually designed off of WW2 german firearms. Here are some comparison shots:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=972214305

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=972214340

Edit: I'm noticing numerous differences between the two guns that might make this wind up being a misunderstanding. You can see that the DLT-19 is of much lower quality, especially if you inspect the texture, muzzle, and stock. If I were the SW:O team, I would keep the higher quality portions for sure. Towards the back of the gun, near the chin-rest, you can see an outcropping on the MG34 that is absent on the DLT19.

The bipod is almost entirely different. Iron sights of the MG34 are also absent on the DLT19. I think the potential misunderstanding stems from the fact they're both based off of an actual real-life gun and will thus look very similar.

Make sure to carefully inspect the level of quality between the two guns. The DLT19 looks like it was ripped from a certain Playstation 2 game, judging by the "quality". Meanwhile, the MG34 looks properly-made.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=972217625

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=972217637

[petrtlach]

V. Berlioz:
You are stupid :D i not say ArmA3 version but ArmA2 version!!!!

[petrtlach]

CSA38
https://images.discordapp.net/attachments/319558340118315019/328984962294349826/20170626214435_1.jpg?width=1062&height=664

https://images.discordapp.net/attachments/319558340118315019/328984964903206923/20170626214522_1.jpg?width=1062&height=664

SWO

https://images.discordapp.net/attachments/319558340118315019/328984959526371340/02.jpg

[El Berl]

Ah, I see looking through your posts that you stated that in Czech, which I naturally glossed over due to my inability to speak it. You never said that in the main post, I'm afraid. It would be wiser here on out to make that point clear in the opening statement. Here's some good advice, always lead with the opening. Make it "shock and awe" with evidence right off the bat. A lot of the people around here are pro-SWO and will instantly rebuff you as they have.

Nevertheless, you have a much better model at your disposal now and Arma III is much more populated than Arma II. Why not let them have the obviously worse Arma II model and walk away from the whole deal? You've now provided the proof indicating that you're the rightful owner of the model anyway so they're certainly not getting the credit.