How to use Frankenstein/Creature?

[Packy]

I'm stumped with these two. I managed to work with Baron and Hecate but Frankenstein and Creature doesn't make sense to me.

[Lysamus]

One viable path I found with them is using Link to the Creator abilities on Frankenstein to augment the Creature, then use the Creature for damage output.

Fun fact: Growth refunds the original cost of an ability (up to 3 AP), not its modified cost.

[KH]

Get Polishing Nail and Rotten Tooth for Creature, for giggles also get relics that double decomposition damage and weakness transfer when the enemy dies. Aim for 0AP and 1AP costs skills (Noxious Vapors, Rigor Mortis, Thanatos Touch, Pestilent Strike).

That's the basic set up, I leave the rest for you to figure it out.

[runtcash]

Just unlocked them really not feeling it think I'll just stick with Lilith, Hecate and Drac

[gimmethegepgun]

There's 2 pathways to infinite actions with them, but leaving that aside, there's 2 main methods to using them: utilizing their excellent action economy to use way too many skills per turn, through Link to the Creator, Overload, and the Growth abilities that Frankenstein can use, or using Berserker skills and Frankenstein running support to slaughter everything while remaining at low HP (important to note is that Frankenstein's Essence of Death raises max HP but not current HP, which means it is an immediate bonus to Berserker damage).

Don't try to make Decomposition work. It doesn't have the supporting skills needed to make it happen the way Samedi has for Depression, and it's a worse status by far anyway since it doesn't lower max HP like Depression does for SP. The only time Decomposition actually works out is when you achieve infinity with it by getting Rotten Tooth and Punishing Nail as stated above, which lets you repeatedly trigger Decomposition with Creature's recharge while it remains at 0 cost due to not recharging skills thanks to Punishing Nail and the Decomposition doesn't disappear when triggering it thanks to Rotten Tooth.

[[SHLDWAR]Erinye]

It's by far the character(s) I like the least, not because they don't have a powerful combo, but because the setup is cumbersome (skills to loot, relics, and party constraints).
Like, I feel that the flexibility lost is not compensated with enough fun or power.

[tigris]

I also like them the least.

Just feel clunky and not synergizing well (both doing red debuffs and not going for the same damage type), although you need to run both else a lot of abilities are just not doing anything.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by tigris:

both doing red debuffs

No? Frankenstein only has two abilities that cause a Weakness on enemies, and one of them simply copies the Decomposition someone has onto the others. The other is Burn, which is a terrible effect most of the time and is largely just sacrifice material.

[tigris]

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

Originally posted by tigris:

both doing red debuffs

No? Frankenstein only has two abilities that cause a Weakness on enemies, and one of them simply copies the Decomposition someone has onto the others. The other is Burn, which is a terrible effect most of the time and is largely just sacrifice material.

Their starting abilities both include 1 red debuff each.

Also burn is not that bad, especially since it often measn 1 less hit to kill someone, since you need to hit enemies once more when they are on 0 health.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by tigris:

Their starting abilities both include 1 red debuff each.

And? With the early abilities just have Creature focus on killing an enemy with HP damage while you utilize Incendiary Grenade and Death Cloud to blow up another one with SP damage, while your third disciple does whatever it is they do.
It's the early game. To compensate for the fact that you don't have many options yet, enemies are weak and splitting damage types isn't too big of a deal yet.

Also burn is not that bad, especially since it often measn 1 less hit to kill someone, since you need to hit enemies once more when they are on 0 health.

That's about the only thing Burn has going for it. But it competes with Depression, which will often do the same by simply killing them at the end of your turn, and pushes out Decomposition, which, if you're attacking someones' HP, Burn won't help with. It also is a very small amount of damage otherwise, which makes it very bad against enemies that benefit from taking damage (but obviously it also helps out Lilith)

[@ezorenier]

most hateful adepts in the game: they take 2 slots, have 0 synergy, 0 damage at early game on 9-level difficulty & 2 conflicting status effects

but for achievement i played this trash, and even kill hellsing, thanks to mary

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by @ezorenier:

have 0 synergy

Their starting skills have little synergy, but there's quite a lot elsewhere in their kit.

0 damage at early game on 9-level difficulty

Their damage output isn't that far off from anyone else with their starting skills. Creature performs similarly to Mary, while Frankenstein is close to Hecate (although he needs Creature to spend AP to cut down on the cost of Death Cloud)

[tigris]

The problem is in the early levels, sometimes there is a single strong enemy and then having damage split is really a problem, espeically since Frankenstein needs the Creature to use their abilities, else 1 of 3 of the starting skills is useless, also normally you want to pick 2 more of the starting abilities to get level 2 abilities fast, but with them they are just not good.


Also even if the enemies in the early game do not much damage, it just DRAAGS soo long with these two, I need a lot more turns to kill enemies with them, than with other teams.

[Sarasvato]

Thing is that's two new characters to discover at once, and this doesn't blend well with the inability to lower the difficulty :(

[Milbur]

I think like most, I played them to make the achievements but they are very bad in comparison.
The abilities of both are of different damages, the abilities with link of the creator force you to play with the creature and you need to quickly look for other abilities to compensate that. Then there is the fact that they always go together and just when the game gets more complicated.
You don't notice a good fluidity in their synergies, and they hardly put any interesting states.

[Cirith]

You have no idea about the real potential of Frank/Creature.
My team Dracula/Frank/Creature is waiting for me in front of Van Hellsing (infernal mode).
I had to stop playing because it was 2 am.
But tonight I will record the fight and post the video link on the Discussion forum, and trust me you are not prepared to see what this team can do.

Edit:
I uploaded the video, was better than I thought actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqT4VY8NNsM