Appearantly GW2 is more active than New World + ESO combined

[ah_puch]

Obviously the title is /s but their community went into panic mode after losing the subreddit and reaching for straws and badmouth games that have 10 times more players to stay relevant:

I'm not a veteran, but been playing MMO games the last 8 years, since i was 12yr old.. i played ESO for 5 years, but did quit it 2 years ago, it just got bland and endgame lacks people (both pve and pvp, in pvp you fight only same few people) and after tried several games, landed on Final Fantasy 14 and got addicted to it and been playing over 1,5 years as my "main game", it has very active endgame pve groups and plenty of epic content steadily and the content is best of any mmo, from the combat mechanics to musics.(subscription model, so content often and most cool stuff gets from in game farming and not from crown store like in ESO).

But, with me gone through FF14 main story and all patches and all side content and all raids, still between content cycles i noticed might want another fun game on the side, especially with decent pvp (in FF14 it's more like a mini game, Crystal Conflict is a fun mode tho).

So went to test a few games and landed on GW2, and oh sweetness it's been fun. The overland is super fun and so is pvp/WvW.

+ It's actually LEGIT more active and see more players on a single town/map at 3am in the night even than on ESO during primetime. Yes, i went to check after Necrom launch.. it was sad amount of pop at ESO.

+ Combat is fun combo of active/tab target and modifying builds is cool and feels impactful enough, no need to own 300 sets like in ESO, where everything except 3 sets are nerfed into uselessness to have 1% of usable sets KEKW.

+ Can actually from just in game playing farm gold, that can then transfer to Gems, and buy from cash store that (imagine them doing this on ESO? Never. The Seals of endeavour takes 1 year to get anything, and by the time the thing you wanted was gone from store already lmao) So GW2 monetization model is great. Yes, i bought both Expansions. Gave lots of content. And yes, when i started i bought some Gems, just enough to buy Makeover kit and couple outfits and cute backpack glider wings. <3 But ever since i just gather gold and transfer to gems. So nice system! Wish other games had this.

+ With how active the game feels, even last night at 3am my time, means it was 4-5am in middle europe where most players are from i¨d assume based on usual mmo EU server graphs.. there was huge amount of people doing world boss events. Was fun. ^^

+ GW2 actually looks QUITE good for an mmo at 1440 resolution imo, character models look nice on max settings. Also, if you have decent gaming pc/laptop (i play a lot on my gaming laptop, runs perfectly) it has good performance, no lag. If really old gaming setup, then might needs to lower settings or have frame drops on big world events.


So i'd say with all this activity i see, i'd easily estimate the game to have 5-10 years more.


And tbh, buying the HoT and EoD expansion pack gives so much content to play, even just going through the story and during that casually playing with people you meet around the world, worth the buy and investment. Even tho i count myself as "FF14 main fangirl", i still love GW2, it has so much good in it. And weirdly, how little Anet seems to advertise, it still has seriously active player base. Was actually surprised.

Old engine with it's limitations, same is in FF14 that i play, FF14 can look a bit outdated for many also, it has 10yr+ old engine with limitations and it shows, but they been able to stretch it quite nicely on many things. And that game has already 10 year plan ahead. Literally. Was announced. Tho we might get engine upgrade at some point. With one of the biggest launches. So no reason why GW2 could not get the same. Might be the smarter move to actually upgrade GW2 engine instead (if it is possible to move player/item database to new engine) of making GW3 and dividing player base between the two.

All in all, i say GW2 is surprisingly good game, and worth the time investment imo. Has plenty of years ahead. It's actually lively and active. In ESO there was literally 5 people in Mournhold (capital of EP) after a major expansion (Necrom), at 3am last night on GW2 there were hundreds of people in Divinity's Reach (capital of catgirls, with cat ears and cat tail outfit i can turn human into catgirl smadgeCute) so i rest my case. I joined a guild even so am not solo anymore. 99% of the people in my guild seems to play with Anet client, not via Steam client, so never let the Steam charts fool you, it only shows steam client players, that are not many. I am one of them tho. :) Because took free trial first from here just to check and then got addicted and bought full version. :P

So to any new players or anyone wanting to try the game, just do it. Worth the time and for sure has many, many years of planned for it already. They would not spend expensive dev time on things like the WvW changes that are coming and so on, if they were thinking to switch soon to GW3 or something. There are always the same like 5 people here on forum telling the game is dying. Just check their post history lmao. And if they change name, check post history and see it's the same dude. :D I think they were nerfed enough times on ESO to cause them emotional damage, and now they spend all days on other games forums rather than playing their ESO.

Anyways, i wish all GW2 (and to my FF14 friends) players have awesome weekend, may you all have fun! :UDG_Heart:

[1961]

Just checked Steam Charts, it says GW2 has 3.8k concurrent players, while New World has 12.8k.

I know, some people play gw2 without steam, but i'd guess they both have the same numbers.

EDIT: IMO, New World lost popularity because of lack of content, everything is repetitive and boring after end game. GW2's content is way more various, that's why it maintained popularity (kinda) 11 years later.

[ah_puch]

Originally posted by 1961:

Just checked Steam Charts, it says GW2 has 3.8k concurrent players, while New World has 12.8k.

I know, some people play gw2 without steam, but i'd guess they both have the same numbers.

EDIT: IMO, New World lost popularity because of lack of content, everything is repetitive and boring after end game. GW2's content is way more various, that's why it maintained popularity (kinda) 11 years later.

Not 3.8k. It's 3.4k on a weekend. Yesterday it dropped down to 1700 players. GW2 has just experienced a full 12 month content drought and the studio update admitted there won't be new e-specs, classes, weapons, raids or full expansions which alienated a ton of players.

Their players are really desperate for attention now, claiming ridiculous things like "I saw 5 people in ESO in prime time, GW2 is so much bigger".

New World can make a comeback if they add new things to the game. Mounts would be a great start. Maybe new weapon types.

[1961]

Originally posted by ah_puch:

New World can make a comeback if they add new things to the game. Mounts would be a great start. Maybe new weapon types.

I'm not defending GW2, nor hating on NW.

But tbh, since NW's release, there hasn't been any appealing content update except the new desert area, which didn't offer much really.

Mounts should've been added way back when the game was a walking sim and fast travel would cost a lot of azoth.

I believe NW can make a big comeback if they release various worlds/maps, and maybe expand lvl cap so there's more to grind for.

[ah_puch]

Originally posted by 1961:

I believe NW can make a big comeback if they release various worlds/maps, and maybe expand lvl cap so there's more to grind for.

It's still pretty young. They need to focus on one game. Bring mounts, new weapons, new builds etc. then worry about making a LOTR mmo.

[SimpleMan]

Originally posted by 1961:

Just checked Steam Charts, it says GW2 has 3.8k concurrent players, while New World has 12.8k.

I know, some people play gw2 without steam, but i'd guess they both have the same numbers.

EDIT: IMO, New World lost popularity because of lack of content, everything is repetitive and boring after end game. GW2's content is way more various, that's why it maintained popularity (kinda) 11 years later.

Not 'Some people' play GW2 without steam... 95% of the players are not on Steam.... Its nowhere even close to the same numbers....

[Tzunny]

Is all about each one taste, nothing to do with numbers, if NW had 2-3k playerbase on ONE server would be greater times than now, since all of those are real active dedicated players and would find peeps instant for every activity...

[ah_puch]

There is no "95% of the players not on Steam" though. That's a lazy, baseless argument used to cope with the low GW2 numbers on Steam. 95% of the players not on Steam would apply to ESO then as well which would make it 400k players. GW2 fans are desperately trying to stay relevant.

[Alenfal]

I think there's like a singular post in their official forums about the outage lol. The Steam forums have more inquiries on whether the game's dead than mentions of the subreddit, going by the CCU the game has.

I haven't log into the game recently, but I'm sure the community is as apathetic as they are in-game.

[ah_puch]

It's also the only mmo having temper tantrums over reddit changes while other mmo subs continue normally. It was the game's biggest source of information and now players have no access to the wealth of information.

No one talks about anymore either other than GW2 fans. Their subreddit was at least a source for new people to check out and join the game. Now they lost all relevancy.

[Alenfal]

Originally posted by ah_puch:

It's also the only mmo having temper tantrums over reddit changes while other mmo subs continue normally. It was the game's biggest source of information and now players have no access to the wealth of information.

No one talks about anymore either other than GW2 fans. Their subreddit was at least a source for new people to check out and join the game. Now they lost all relevancy.

Probably, I'm sure the few people moaning about the subreddit will be missing their outlet for fan art and self-praise and validation for the game.

I guess without that font of information, all they have now is their Discord, Wiki, and Official Forums.

[Tzunny]

Originally posted by Alenfal:

Originally posted by ah_puch:

It's also the only mmo having temper tantrums over reddit changes while other mmo subs continue normally. It was the game's biggest source of information and now players have no access to the wealth of information.

No one talks about anymore either other than GW2 fans. Their subreddit was at least a source for new people to check out and join the game. Now they lost all relevancy.

Probably, I'm sure the few people moaning about the subreddit will be missing their outlet for fan art and self-praise and validation for the game.

I guess without that font of information, all they have now is their Discord, Wiki, and Official Forums.

No wonder that bunch of them now spam other Steam forum pages mmo's to get some GW attention

[Ricochet]

GW2 generally has 100k concurrent

[ah_puch]

Originally posted by Ricochet:

GW2 generally has 100k concurrent

It usually has 1-3k concurrent on Steam. Again, there is no made up 95% outside of Steam. Game has been empty for years.

Originally posted by Matata:

No wonder that bunch of them now spam other Steam forum pages mmo's to get some GW attention :laughing_yeti:

Lol idk about Steam but GW2 players are going into reddit pages of other mmos where people are discussing the new patch in FFXIV for example and say "Excuse me, I know this is not relevant but have you tried Guild Wars 2? It's a really cool game with lots of content!"

Reminds of door to door book salesmen ringing door and saying "Excuse me, have you heard of our lord and savior?" Lmao

[ah_puch]

Originally posted by Vis:

ESO is on Steam since some years.
GW2 since last year.

Almost all GW2 players are not on steam, its a fact.
Most of ESO players are also not on steam, also a fact.

True. Still that doesn't change the percentages though. ESO usually has 20k concurrent players on Steam alone. GW2 usually has 3k. How long it's been on Steam doesn't matter at all, if ESO was bad it would easily drop to 5-6k players on Steam.

GW2 fans have been making ridiculous statements with a made up number of 95% players outside of Steam while also not accepting ESO might also have 95% players outside of Steam. It's really embarrassing as they are now just trying to stay relevant.

[Alenfal]

Originally posted by Matata:

Originally posted by Alenfal:

Probably, I'm sure the few people moaning about the subreddit will be missing their outlet for fan art and self-praise and validation for the game.

I guess without that font of information, all they have now is their Discord, Wiki, and Official Forums.

No wonder that bunch of them now spam other Steam forum pages mmo's to get some GW attention :laughing_yeti:

It's worse that it's a blanket statement over first impressions of the game lol. I've skimmed through the quote and I'm not seeing outrage or any reference to the subreddit.

GW2's been dying for like, 10+ years now.