USB 3.0 and performance!

[Explorerbeyondthemap]

So this is probably going to be something that much of the community are going to say, "well yes of course, duh!" which I completely understand.

But I suspect that there are a chunk of PC gamers out there who might not be aware of this and don't realize it could be why they're having performance or loading issues with New World.

I came back to NW after being away for about two years. Originally had it on my internal hard drive and it ran very well. But more recently I bought an external SSD and have put all new games on it. I plugged my SSD into one of the standard USB ports.

When I installed NW onto the SSD, the game suddenly would not load huge chunks of graphical elements, in-game the world itself wouldn't load and your character is floating in an empty space. Unplayable.

So then I thought of my USB 3.0 ports. When I first got the gaming PC, I didn't think much of them except "oh, that's nice to have." Dear God I feel like an absolute IDIOT. USB 3.0 was the key to why my games weren't running off the SSD!! USB 3.0 makes a HUGE difference in transfer speed!!

The instant I switched the connection over to the 3.0 port, NW loaded quick as lightning and the game runs flawlessly. I also checked on Lords of the Fallen. That also ran fine but struggled to load a times even being on the SSD, as well as some stuttering and frame rate issues. As soon as the switch to 3.0 was made, it loaded and ran 10x better because of the faster transfer rate.

And I don't mean like there were some slight improvements. The games felt like new games, it was insane how much better they ran.

So if you have your games on an SSD but they still struggle to load or run, it could very well be that lack of USB 3.0 is why. My PC was built in 2021 and 3.0 was included. But I suspect that on many, many gaming rigs built before like 2020 they may not have 3.0 and only have the older USB ports.

I have a feeling that game devs. as a general thing and PC gaming as a general thing will assume when talking about minimum required specs. that you not only have an SSD but that you also have USB 3.0 on your rig as a matter of course.

[Verdict]

lol what are you doing? Any USB drive is going to be much slower than a NVMe SSD installed directly to the motherboard. Almost no one is gaming on portable usb drives unless its older single player games. You are still doing it wrong.

[Bordric]

Originally posted by Explorerbeyondthemap:

So this is probably going to be something that much of the community are going to say, "well yes of course, duh!" which I completely understand.

But I suspect that there are a chunk of PC gamers out there who might not be aware of this and don't realize it could be why they're having performance or loading issues with New World.

I came back to NW after being away for about two years. Originally had it on my internal hard drive and it ran very well. But more recently I bought an external SSD and have put all new games on it. I plugged my SSD into one of the standard USB ports.

When I installed NW onto the SSD, the game suddenly would not load huge chunks of graphical elements, in-game the world itself wouldn't load and your character is floating in an empty space. Unplayable.

So then I thought of my USB 3.0 ports. When I first got the gaming PC, I didn't think much of them except "oh, that's nice to have." Dear God I feel like an absolute IDIOT. USB 3.0 was the key to why my games weren't running off the SSD!! USB 3.0 makes a HUGE difference in transfer speed!!

The instant I switched the connection over to the 3.0 port, NW loaded quick as lightning and the game runs flawlessly. I also checked on Lords of the Fallen. That also ran fine but struggled to load a times even being on the SSD, as well as some stuttering and frame rate issues. As soon as the switch to 3.0 was made, it loaded and ran 10x better because of the faster transfer rate.

And I don't mean like there were some slight improvements. The games felt like new games, it was insane how much better they ran.

So if you have your games on an SSD but they still struggle to load or run, it could very well be that lack of USB 3.0 is why. My PC was built in 2021 and 3.0 was included. But I suspect that on many, many gaming rigs built before like 2020 they may not have 3.0 and only have the older USB ports.

I have a feeling that game devs. as a general thing and PC gaming as a general thing will assume when talking about minimum required specs. that you not only have an SSD but that you also have USB 3.0 on your rig as a matter of course.

People were doing this with other games. At no time or any place should you run a game across 3.0 USB. Ever. Who would do this? Its a massive bottle neck. Might as well get an old HDD and put your games on it.

Why the wall of text for something that should be a simple "Don't run games on USB ports ever!"

Get a 40 dollar NVMe and plug it in to the motherboard good lord.

[Octavus]

Yeah, an external SSD on a 3.0 port works pretty good. Far better than an HDD anyway.

If you want to really get blown away, get an NVMe 😁

[Bordric]

Originally posted by Octavus:

Yeah, an external SSD on a 3.0 port works pretty good. Far better than an HDD anyway.

If you want to really get blown away, get an NVMe 😁

No they don't work "pretty good". But yeah NVMe will blow this guys mind!

All that other good hardware you may have to play games is bottle necked and murdered by USB drive.

[Octavus]

Originally posted by Bordric:

Originally posted by Octavus:

Yeah, an external SSD on a 3.0 port works pretty good. Far better than an HDD anyway.

If you want to really get blown away, get an NVMe 😁

No they don't work "pretty good". But yeah NVMe will blow this guys mind!

All that other good hardware you may have to play games is bottle necked and murdered by USB drive.

My ADATA SE900G works great. For an external SSD that thing is a beast, haha

I played NMS, Fallout 4 and Cyberpunk 2077 with no issues. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That was before I bought an NVMe SSD so yeah, I know it works just fine. Still, it doesn't compare to the SK Hynix Platinum NVMe I bought... crazy fast. 😄

[Bordric]

Originally posted by Octavus:

Originally posted by Bordric:

No they don't work "pretty good". But yeah NVMe will blow this guys mind!

All that other good hardware you may have to play games is bottle necked and murdered by USB drive.

My ADATA SE900G works great. For an external SSD that thing is a beast, haha

I played NMS, Fallout 4 and Cyberpunk 2077 with no issues. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That was before I bought an NVMe SSD so yeah, I know it works just fine. Still, it doesn't compare to the SK Hynix Platinum NVMe I bought... crazy fast. 😄

No ridiculous claim. Doing anything but data storage on external drives is ridiculous and just a bad idea.

[Octavus]

Originally posted by Bordric:

Originally posted by Octavus:

My ADATA SE900G works great. For an external SSD that thing is a beast, haha

I played NMS, Fallout 4 and Cyberpunk 2077 with no issues. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That was before I bought an NVMe SSD so yeah, I know it works just fine. Still, it doesn't compare to the SK Hynix Platinum NVMe I bought... crazy fast. 😄

No ridiculous claim. Doing anything but data storage on external drives is ridiculous and just a bad idea.

lol... you chose your avatar well. 😂

[Bordric]

Originally posted by Octavus:

Originally posted by Bordric:

No ridiculous claim. Doing anything but data storage on external drives is ridiculous and just a bad idea.

lol... you chose your avatar well. 😂

LOL True

[Explorerbeyondthemap]

This is why so many gamers hate the PC gaming community. You make a post reporting that you did something to massively improve game performance for a game I was previously having problemswith and then all the f'n narcissistic as*holes pounce on it because they apparently invented the microchip. And on top of it start to congratulate each other on their clever methods of "owning the stupid op". GET A LIFE.

I'm sitting here TELLING YOU that Lords of the Fallen and NW are running flawlessly at high graphics settings playing off a 3.0 USB-connected SSD. I'M IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW AND PLAYING IT. AM I F'N HALLUCINATING? and you're sitting there saying, "You're doing it all wrong." and "games won't run that way." and "you can't use an external SSD for games."

As far as the "SSD are only good for data storage, what you are doing?" I can only say WTF. I've been on a dozen other gaming forums where gamers report using external SSD's to play games and run them very well. It's a standard way of storing game data for f**k's sake, but in this topic apparently SSD's are like some rogue kind of inferior hardware from the 1990s. Jesus Christ get over yourselves.

I get it. The people who have the optimal of the optimal everything. Cool. But don't f'n sit there and tell me that SSD's are slow and can't run games. That's total BS. You have the right to live in your own version of reality, can't stop that.

[Explorerbeyondthemap]

Originally posted by Bordric:

Originally posted by Octavus:

lol... you chose your avatar well. 😂

LOL True

Ah haa haaaah yeah you guys are so f'n clever and hilarious. You do realize you're also why so much of the world hates the PC gaming community. Because of narcissistic as*holes like you guys.

[catch22atplay]

Will using an ssd via USB 3.0 work well for playing games? VS a hdd it's a massive increase in reads mb/sec. It's a decent option if you were like me and worked out of town a lot. I used it for my laptop to game in motels. But an Nvme on your motherboard is still the best way to go and by a huge amount as well. Maybe not as much as hdd to ssd via usb 3.0. But it still blows it away significantly.

USB 3.0=5 gigabits/sec signal or 500megabytes/sec raw throughput
USB 3.1 Gen 1=5 gigabits/sec signal or 500megabytes/sec raw throughput
USB 3.1 Gen 2=10 gigabits/sec signal or 1,212megabytes/sec raw throughput
USB 3.2 Gen 1x1=5 gigabits/sec signal or 625megabytes/sec raw throughput
USB 3.2 Gen 2x1=10 gigabits/sec signal or 1,212megabytes/sec raw throughput
USB 3.2 Gen 1x2=10 gigabits/sec signalor 1,000megabytes/sec raw throughput
USB 3.2 Gen 2x2=20 gigabits/sec signal or 2,424megabytes/sec raw throughput

Real world results are typically from 66%-90% of the raw throughput i listed above.

Now if we compare a pcie 4.0 using 4 lanes

PCIE 4.0 x4=7,877megabytes/sec

My Samsung 980 pro 2tb nvme pcie 4.0 Benches at 6,500megabytes/sec currently at 85-90% full depending on the benching program as high as 6,850megabytes/sec.

PCIE 5.0 x4=15,754megabytes/sec

We're starting to see these now at 10,000, 12,000, 14,000 megabytes/sec and one claim of 16,000megabytes/sec not sure how you can surpass theoretical max throughput though. I'd guess they just rounded up from theoretical max throughput.

And when OP says USB 3.0 does he mean just 3.0 as in 500mb/sec raw thruput which is actually max of 450mb/sec real world. If so then my sammy is quite a bit more then 10x faster.

While it's very rare i have seen spikes of over 3,000mb/sec in games. I've seen quite a few during a gaming session in the 1,500mb/sec range. Mostly though they're in the 450mb/sec range or lower. Most commonly they're in the 250mb/sec range. It's the spikes that can cause the stutters in games. And i don't have stutters with my sammy. Even with just usb 3.0 of 450mb/sec the vast majority of spikes you won't see as they'll be extremely rare.

If i still worked and worked out of town i'd for sure be using Laptop and a portable ssd via usb 3.2 though using say a Samsung T7 nvme ssd. I'm seeing some real world results of 708mb/s using usb 3.2 2x1. For a non nvme i see 450mb/sec using usb 3.2 gen 1 Samsung T5 SSD. Or better yet a USB 3.2 2x2 nvme that does 2,000mb/sec or so like the Samsung T9 nvme. Now we're talking good numbers here. My new desktop has this port. But do any laptops? I haven't bought one in years.