Healer pocket in pvp

[Teladi]

If this game has always been suffering of premades vs randoms in the last months the situation went to worst with the new healer pocket meta.

In short words healers pocket consists in healers that attach to one or small group of player/s to heal them and abuse of randoms to feel pro pvp players.

Normally they are premade but they can also be casual, they just need to identify a good player and follow.

The problem here is that healers are so ♥♥♥♥ overpower that a group of 3 or 4 players including a healer can push and destroy a complete team everywhere: capturing a point, ambushing in open field, etc.

You would say: focus the healer.

But is not easy. A healer with a good build (not paper pve healers) is impossible to kill in a 1vs1 or even having 5 guys focusing him with debuffs and everything because they can over heal, mitigate damage by blocking or just getting hits and kite to run away as pleasure without punishment.

I play OP since 3 years and it was never so disgusting to play pvp as it is now.

You don't believe me?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aX_XVV8nycU

[Kissing Fish]

I struggle to understand why you are complaining about your L2P issues, on a dead game to boot?

[Matos[QC]]

@Teladi, it always been, i will repeat once again ... a game with no classes = not good

And the worst thing is Nature Dmg and Healing Dmg is the same element ... and that is so awkward ... Nature dmg should be like poison and healing like light ... but once again AGS **** everything. So now we have healers that do more dmg on Corrupted then anyone else great ... And since when a healer is able to kills anyone he wants and get as much as healing ?

Only New World

[Crunktanium]

Originally posted by MatosQC:

And since when a healer is able to kills anyone he wants and get as much as healing ?

If you are dying to a healer they are probably skilled and running a hybrid build and which has always been a thing. Paladin build has always been able to survive a lot of dmg with the right setup. The problem you face is everyone has good gear now and so they can survive longer. Where as in the early game it was only a few who could even afford BIS. And those who had the BIS pretty much had a free win against anyone but the most skilled players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQLrrSSv6W8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJust3IQsSg

[Matos[QC]]

I don t want to become like other sheeps, i want they fix their game and balance roles and classes, this guys is dodge rolling all the time with a TOWER SHIELD ? Really ? This is silly and none sense once again.... as soon you have Tower Shield equipped, you shouldn t be able to wear light armor at all ! no more dodge, DEVS are clowns.

[Crunktanium]

Originally posted by MatosQC:

you shouldn t be able to wear light armor at all

So you want the shield removed? I don't think the shield is your problem here. And therein likes the problem with games like this. Everyone wants everything they don't like or can't overcome be changed. If the devs did what most people wanted they would have to delete class roles entirely. There will always be a meta and there will always be a min/max build someone is able to take advantage of. They can rework it over and over and the only fix is remove classes entirely.

[Teladi]

Originally posted by Crunktanium:

Originally posted by MatosQC:

you shouldn t be able to wear light armor at all

So you want the shield removed? I don't think the shield is your problem here. And therein likes the problem with games like this. Everyone wants everything they don't like or can't overcome be changed. If the devs did what most people wanted they would have to delete class roles entirely. There will always be a meta and there will always be a min/max build someone is able to take advantage of. They can rework it over and over and the only fix is remove classes entirely.

No. Balance changes are important. You don't stop balancing the game because there will always be a meta. At least Devs could Balance this game the best as possible, but the problem is that in 3 years the balance has been meaningless and pvp also got almost nothing of love.

Now with the release of Aeternum and the change to ARPG do you really think pvp will be a topic of attention for AGS in the future?

I can tell you already that the new pvp zone will be a joke. Like always rewards will be to deconstruct and useless. Then if you can go in raid big companies or premades will destroy casuals.

[Percello]

Originally posted by Teladi:

If this game has always been suffering of premades vs randoms in the last months the situation went to worst with the new healer pocket meta.

In short words healers pocket consists in healers that attach to one or small group of player/s to heal them and abuse of randoms to feel pro pvp players.

Normally they are premade but they can also be casual, they just need to identify a good player and follow.

The problem here is that healers are so ♥♥♥♥ overpower that a group of 3 or 4 players including a healer can push and destroy a complete team everywhere: capturing a point, ambushing in open field, etc.

You would say: focus the healer.

But is not easy. A healer with a good build (not paper pve healers) is impossible to kill in a 1vs1 or even having 5 guys focusing him with debuffs and everything because they can over heal, mitigate damage by blocking or just getting hits and kite to run away as pleasure without punishment.

I play OP since 3 years and it was never so disgusting to play pvp as it is now.

You don't believe me?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aX_XVV8nycU

I haven't played this game since the expansion came out, but doesn't it feel like healing has been nothing but nerfed since release? Maybe the issue isn't the healing, but everything else.. like the mods or defense/armor systems.

[Crunktanium]

Originally posted by Percello:

doesn't it feel like healing has been nothing but nerfed since release? Maybe the issue isn't the healing, but everything else.. like the mods or defense/armor systems.

Yes healers and so many other things have been toned down constantly. Muskets had to be made totally unusable before people shut up about them. Problem is when they knock down a class it hurts PVE as much if not more than PVP. The real problem is not healers it's just bad players who want everything they don't like removed from the game. We went through the same thing in WOW and the insanity never stops once you give these people an inch they demand everyone be handicapped against them. Too many expect games like this to be balanced in 1v1 and ignore the group aspect of the game.

[Foxglovez]

I have played a dedicated heals in many games and this is one of the most difficult to level up in if you don't velcro yourself to some good fighters. Our job name explains why we exist, for the group, we heal them. Not sure why this isn't obvious and if someone is doing their job then our fighters stay alive. Trust me, Just playing the PVE part of the game is bloody boring as hell for us as we are given no skills worth a flip other than heal skills which are worthless in plain old exploring, PVE. You really have to want to be a heals to bother with it in the not so New World.

Meanwhile, back at the PvP ranch, you must be new to PvP as that's how healers rock. We protect the glass cannons and we prop up the tanks, allow them to do their jobs and they keep enemies away from us, works nicely - as it should. What you really want is just some generic food fight with no healers allowed (unless they are helping you of course). Pfft, go find yourself a good healer so you too can do your job and enjoy their help. Anyway, as noted above, this game doesn't appear to have much time left before they pull the plug on it so it's a moot point.

[Matos[QC]]

Guys you missunderstood me, i am sorry for language barrier.
No Light Armor aka Dodge Rolls with a Tower Shield ! Is it better explained now ?
When you play tank, you re supposed to be heavy and not a lot of mobility and little dmg.

Hope this will help you to see how i see MMORPG thank.

[Matos[QC]]

Originally posted by Crunktanium:

If the devs did what most people wanted they would have to delete class roles entirely.

To me they already removed classes and roles when i see a healer tanking as much as a tank, when i see a light armor player doing m3 without difficulty due to freaking dodge rolling. When i see musket and ranged bow in light taking as much dmg as a tank and healing themselve continuously without needing a healer at all !

New World don t have roles and classes, it s an illusion !

[Foxglovez]

Ahh, well tower shield and rolls are where the only fun is for a heals though the fact NW allows that is their choice. Why are you wasting your time trying to 1v1 a heals. Someone is just taunting you and you took the bait. We can't kill for poop but we can self heal all day. Just go do something else. You're wasting your time. As noted above, 1v1 another dps, or not, your choice.

You are seeing the MMORPG when what you should be seeing is the PVP. They may both be a part of a single game but are totally different aspects, ya know, like PVE vs PVP.

[Teladi]

Originally posted by Foxglovez:

I have played a dedicated heals in many games and this is one of the most difficult to level up in if you don't velcro yourself to some good fighters. Our job name explains why we exist, for the group, we heal them. Not sure why this isn't obvious and if someone is doing their job then our fighters stay alive. Trust me, Just playing the PVE part of the game is bloody boring as hell for us as we are given no skills worth a flip other than heal skills which are worthless in plain old exploring, PVE. You really have to want to be a heals to bother with it in the not so New World.

Meanwhile, back at the PvP ranch, you must be new to PvP as that's how healers rock. We protect the glass cannons and we prop up the tanks, allow them to do their jobs and they keep enemies away from us, works nicely - as it should. What you really want is just some generic food fight with no healers allowed (unless they are helping you of course). Pfft, go find yourself a good healer so you too can do your job and enjoy their help. Anyway, as noted above, this game doesn't appear to have much time left before they pull the plug on it so it's a moot point.

Did you watch the video?

Do you think I want healing food in pvp without healers or I'm making a call to balance?

Watch the video.

[Foxglovez]

Don't need to watch it. Knows how it works, explained why it is that way.
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