Macros and disinformation

[Kenedori]

I am posting this in one place so I am not responding to multiple post with the same info.

I would like to start with a disclaimer. Cut animation, all I know is what I read in the forums. They say its legit. I read a Dev post to that efect. I dont use them. It is against the ULA to use macros to gain an advantage over other players. I would infer from the rules that cut animation and macros are legal but have not read anything to the effect from a Dev.

The reason for macros. Is for accessibility. You don't have to be disabled to be concerned about joint health. If you mash keys for hours on end, year in year out, you will end up with swollen fingers that wont even be able to use a cell phone. My mother at 90. I am closer to 70 than 60 and I have been doing this a long time. Joint health is of concern to me. It is accessibility. Everyone should be concerned about joint health and excessive key mashing.

legal macros:

1. Gathering. Any key that you can repeat. I.E. Logging, water, all gathering as long as you do not automate movement. If you stay still and run your loot key you will have a nonverbal conversation with anti cheat. You will lose. One nice perk is you can macro your fishing cast. Is nice but not a advantage. You don't fish faster. I can hit the hole just as fast manually.

2. Combat PvE. You can spam your attack key. You can use your weapon swap then use an ability and weapon swap back again. It takes like 1.6 seconds of cool down on a 2x weapon swap. They have added cool downs so there is no advantage to using a macro but key mashing. All of the combat abilities including the white swing have a min. cool down of around 50 ms. You can easily mash keys at 100 ms so there is not really an advantage. You can macro your dodge key so you can roll endlessly by setting the timing so it replenishes before the next roll. It's good for long runs.

3. Combat PvP. There is no advantage to using a macro in PvP. If you do someone with a rapier is going to had you your ass. First as soon as you use a macro NW stores it in a buffer. Even if you change your mind you are stuck with that weapon swap or long ass greatsword hit. I.E. You hit a button to swap your weapon and do a heal with a lifestaff. The macro is running and its 2 seconds long. You change your mind and kill the macro but its already sent some commands to NW which buffers them. All you can do to stop the buffered action, swing or heal. is dodge. You are probably all ready dead after killing the macro and dodging. You are much more frosty and able to respond to the fast action with out a macro spamming your attack or weapon swap, heal. The one advantage is running away. You can use your dodge macro to "run Forest run". Not much of an advantage but fun.

Illegal macro.

Real simple if you automate movement. Automate looting AFK, moving or not. You are toast. The anti cheat will nail U ass. If you are able to get an advantage, as they have it purity much locked down with the cool downs and the command buffering/canceling, then you are using timing and an exploit and the anti cheat will get ya.

Applies a real thick coat of sun block 625 and flame ward tier 5 over my base coat of retardant, as people hate reality.

Enjoy fear free use of the tools available in spite of those that need to limit other peoples freedoms.

https://forums.newworld.com/t/chopping-macro-is-it-still-fair-approved-by-tos/540204
https://forums.newworld.com/t/fair-macro-use/372543
https://forums.newworld.com/t/BB-macro-allowed/809310

Facts.

[fauxpas]

All well and good as long as people don't complain for getting banned given that the dev response that gave a soft okay for accessibility based marcos (and the post in question was in regards to a player who had to use them because they only had one hand) was as wishy washy as the constant dev flip flopping over the mini map overlays. ... Never mind that the devs have admitted that a completely different department handles bans so they don't even get the final say. 🤣


But as they say, live and let live, follow the OPs advice if you wish, and as long as you can avoid EAC you'll probably not get caught ... just don't make the mistake of assuming it's not bannabled under the ToS if you do somehow get caught.

[Wolfe Beckhaver]

Originally posted by Kenedori:

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3. Combat PvP. There is no advantage to using a macro in PvP. If you do someone with a rapier is going to had you your ass. First as soon as you use a macro NW stores it in a buffer. Even if you change your mind you are stuck with that weapon swap or long ass greatsword hit. I.E. You hit a button to swap your weapon and do a heal with a lifestaff. The macro is running and its 2 seconds long. You change your mind and kill the macro but its already sent some commands to NW which buffers them. All you can do to stop the buffered action, swing or heal. is dodge. You are probably all ready dead after killing the macro and dodging. You are much more frosty and able to respond to the fast action with out a macro spamming your attack or weapon swap, heal. The one advantage is running away. You can use your dodge macro to "run Forest run". Not much of an advantage but fun.

This is PATENTLY incorrect and can result in getting banned. There are EXTREME advantages to using macros to animation cancel in PVP, which goes against Amazons Code of Conduct and Fair Play of the game.

Link to the official New World website run by Amazon Games detailing the Code of Conduct for New World.
https://forums.newworld.com/t/code-of-conduct/222649

DO NOT USE WHAT THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST SUGGESTED. IT CAN GET YOU BANNED

[Kenedori]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

All well and good as long as people don't complain for getting banned given that the dev response that gave a soft okay for accessibility based marcos (and the post in question was in regards to a player who had to use them because they only had one hand) was as wishy washy as the constant dev flip flopping over the mini map overlays. ... Never mind that the devs have admitted that a completely different department handles bans so they don't even get the final say. 🤣

But as they say, live and let live, follow the OPs advice if you wish, and as long as you can avoid EAC you'll probably not get caught ... just don't make the mistake of assuming it's not bannabled under the ToS if you do somehow get caught.

I read numinous post from DEVs that addressed macros. One said they did not see any problem with Logitech gaming software, Logitech's macro software, and it was not considered a 3rd party software. Its sad but the fear mongers are louder than reason.

There are a lot of post in the old forums on this topic, if you can still search them. Make your own decision don't let fear rule the day.

Originally posted by Wolfe Beckhaver:

DO NOT USE WHAT THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST SUGGESTED. IT CAN GET YOU BANNED[/h1]

Even though you walk through the shadow plenty you shall want for fear is thy shepherded and you shall want for all the days of your life.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Kenedori:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

All well and good as long as people don't complain for getting banned given that the dev response that gave a soft okay for accessibility based marcos (and the post in question was in regards to a player who had to use them because they only had one hand) was as wishy washy as the constant dev flip flopping over the mini map overlays. ... Never mind that the devs have admitted that a completely different department handles bans so they don't even get the final say. 🤣

But as they say, live and let live, follow the OPs advice if you wish, and as long as you can avoid EAC you'll probably not get caught ... just don't make the mistake of assuming it's not bannabled under the ToS if you do somehow get caught.

I read numinous post from DEVs that addressed macros. One said they did not see any problem with Logitech gaming software, Logitech's macro software, and it was not considered a 3rd party software. Its sad but the fear mongers are louder than reason.

There are a lot of post in the old forums on this topic, if you can still search them. Make your own decision don't let fear rule the day.

Originally posted by Wolfe Beckhaver:

DO NOT USE WHAT THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST SUGGESTED. IT CAN GET YOU BANNED[/h1]

Even though you walk through the shadow plenty you shall want for fear is thy shepherded and you shall want for all the days of your life.

Apparently you missed the one where the devs aren't in control of Amazon's ban system and don't dictate ToS policy for their own game ... granted that was in regards to the mini map and not marcos, but that fact alone speaks volumes.

[Dogtatokun]

Originally posted by Kenedori:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

All well and good as long as people don't complain for getting banned given that the dev response that gave a soft okay for accessibility based marcos (and the post in question was in regards to a player who had to use them because they only had one hand) was as wishy washy as the constant dev flip flopping over the mini map overlays. ... Never mind that the devs have admitted that a completely different department handles bans so they don't even get the final say. 🤣

But as they say, live and let live, follow the OPs advice if you wish, and as long as you can avoid EAC you'll probably not get caught ... just don't make the mistake of assuming it's not bannabled under the ToS if you do somehow get caught.

I read numinous post from DEVs that addressed macros. One said they did not see any problem with Logitech gaming software, Logitech's macro software, and it was not considered a 3rd party software. Its sad but the fear mongers are louder than reason.

There are a lot of post in the old forums on this topic, if you can still search them. Make your own decision don't let fear rule the day.

Originally posted by Wolfe Beckhaver:

DO NOT USE WHAT THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST SUGGESTED. IT CAN GET YOU BANNED[/h1]

Even though you walk through the shadow plenty you shall want for fear is thy shepherded and you shall want for all the days of your life.

Devs aren't CS.

[Kenedori]

Ok! Not so bad.
No, the Devs are not customer service. So, your point?
Of course the Devs have control over how the combat and gathering is implemented and how the anti cheat works in respect to combat and gathering.

Macro control and cool downs go hand in hand. I can remember when cool downs were introduced in WoW in response to there API driven macros. Cool downs have been used to make sure macros can not be used to an advantage for 15 years. Try and get an advantage with a macro.

Macros are helpers, not advantage takers.

[Dogtatokun]

Originally posted by Kenedori:

Ok! Not so bad.
No, the Devs are not customer service. So, your point?
Of course the Devs have control over how the combat and gathering is implemented and how the anti cheat works in respect to combat and gathering.

Macro control and cool downs go hand in hand. I can remember when cool downs were introduced in WoW in response to there API driven macros. Cool downs have been used to make sure macros can not be used to an advantage for 15 years. Try and get an advantage with a macro.

Macros are helpers, not advantage takers. :cleankey:

Who handles bans and ban appeals?

[Kenedori]

Originally posted by Dogtatokun:

Who handles bans and ban appeals?

Why? It has no barring on macro use. You wont be dealing with CS unless you cheat.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Kenedori:

Ok! Not so bad.
No, the Devs are not customer service. So, your point?
Of course the Devs have control over how the combat and gathering is implemented and how the anti cheat works in respect to combat and gathering.

Macro control and cool downs go hand in hand. I can remember when cool downs were introduced in WoW in response to there API driven macros. Cool downs have been used to make sure macros can not be used to an advantage for 15 years. Try and get an advantage with a macro.

Macros are helpers, not advantage takers. :cleankey:

You are apparently under the impression that EAC is the only tool that is being used to ban people when it isn't.


Like I said, the issue is far more muddled than you believe it is, and in the mini map discussion Devs are on record that they do not handle bans or appeals, and that Amazon's CS Department may have different standards on what is a bannable offense than they do ... yes, that is a ridiculous policy to have in my opinion, but it is what is in effect for this game (and probably future AGS games as well).


As for marcos not being able to be used to get an advantage because of cooldowns ... that is patently incorrect.

[Kenedori]

[quote=fauxpas;3803900924523878384
You are apparently under the impression that EAC is the only tool that is being used to ban people when it isn't.


Like I said, the issue is far more muddled than you believe it is, and in the mini map discussion Devs are on record that they do not handle bans or appeals, and that Amazon's CS Department may have different standards on what is a bannable offense than they do ... yes, that is a ridiculous policy to have in my opinion, but it is what is in effect for this game (and probably future AGS games as well).


As for marcos not being able to be used to get an advantage because of cooldowns ... that is patently incorrect. [/quote]

Macros are not going to be banned unless you cheat. So no EAC no CS nothing but cutting down trees because. Sung by Monty python. "I am a lumber jack and I am ok"

[Tzunny]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

All well and good as long as people don't complain for getting banned given that the dev response that gave a soft okay for accessibility based marcos (and the post in question was in regards to a player who had to use them because they only had one hand) was as wishy washy as the constant dev flip flopping over the mini map overlays. ... Never mind that the devs have admitted that a completely different department handles bans so they don't even get the final say. 🤣


But as they say, live and let live, follow the OPs advice if you wish, and as long as you can avoid EAC you'll probably not get caught ... just don't make the mistake of assuming it's not bannabled under the ToS if you do somehow get caught.

+1

Devs stated tons of un-facts before, even to this day they do not admit that game not having autoban systems while they work on automation rules of how to autodetect & autoban players cheating/exploiting game mechanics like DUPES for example. Never seen such attitude from a developer ever before, running around it's own tale while outside of them bs circle everyone is abandoning the ship.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Matata:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

All well and good as long as people don't complain for getting banned given that the dev response that gave a soft okay for accessibility based marcos (and the post in question was in regards to a player who had to use them because they only had one hand) was as wishy washy as the constant dev flip flopping over the mini map overlays. ... Never mind that the devs have admitted that a completely different department handles bans so they don't even get the final say. 🤣


But as they say, live and let live, follow the OPs advice if you wish, and as long as you can avoid EAC you'll probably not get caught ... just don't make the mistake of assuming it's not bannabled under the ToS if you do somehow get caught.

+1

Devs stated tons of un-facts before, even to this day they do not admit that game not having autoban systems while they work on automation rules of how to autodetect & autoban players cheating/exploiting game mechanics like DUPES for example. Never seen such attitude from a developer ever before, running around it's own tale while outside of them bs circle everyone is abandoning the ship.

Alot of the confusion about the "autoban system" is that there are three types of bans and the devs don't do a very good job of explaining which they are referring too ... EAC which is completely automatic and the drvs have very little control over, their various in house anti-cheat / exploit systems which is mostly metric based and in theory might be reviewed by a human but is mostly automatic (they once accidentally banned a bunch of guild farmers because they didnt believe humans would match bot behavior according to thier metric collection), and the chat ban system which isn't automatic but might as well be given Amazon's minimum wage CS personnel.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Kenedori:

Macros are not going to be banned unless you cheat. So no EAC no CS nothing but cutting down trees because. Sung by Monty python. "I am a lumber jack and I am ok"

You do you, just don't complain if you get caught.

[Kenedori]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by Kenedori:

Macros are not going to be banned unless you cheat. So no EAC no CS nothing but cutting down trees because. Sung by Monty python. "I am a lumber jack and I am ok"

You do you, just don't complain if you get caught.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Kenedori:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

You do you, just don't complain if you get caught.

Not much else to say given that you are wrong about your basic premise that marcos don't give a player an advantage.