Pointless to Tank

[Respawn]

So, I decided after playing a paladin in Closed Beta the class was helpless outside a group, I did little to no damage when I was solo, even basic quests took forever. Came back during open played a Str based tank, meaning 300 con the rest dumps to str, Now having played since launch I feel that my build class has been nerfed to being useless anywhere in game with exception to end game expeditions. Tanks are not needed for open world dungeons, not needed for end game framing. Impossible to climb any ladder in any end game environment you will consistently find my name on the bottom of every war/invasion/outpost rush. I know that healers are starting to feel the same, the only way to be competitive now in the end game content is to run some type of damage class exploit. Its sad to say I’m likely stepping away from New World so shortly after the game launch, I wanted to play a build that would take more strategy then farming for hours to minutely add a few more points of damage to my output. In the current state of the game, it seems that my class has no use, would have been better off picking to just play strength based DPS in heavy armor. It’s sad when I head to war and we have seen that 90% of players are now all stacking heavy armor regardless of their build, wondering what makes tanks special. My HP pool has continued to decline regardless of my Con going up, two weeks ago with Food buff on I was hitting just barely under 15k hp, I’m now lucky if my HP pool is able to reach 14k, yet nothing written in the patch notes about reducing HP. Seems like half of every Outpost rush is a group of people running the current unpatched exploit that someone has turned in a bug report for, to bad the bug reports are so public, I watch people swap out their machine gun fire staff for hatchets then great axes, whatever allows them ruin the game for any one not willing to exploit, and the best part is, even once their band they get to swap their email address and log right back in.

[Chocbomb]

I wish upon you the skill of formatting.

[PlaceHolder]

ofc u need no tank for a lvl 40 dungeon. most of the time ppl with lvl 60 rush low dungeons to get gold and stuff..

try dynastie without a tank have fun or even harder go garden. and ofc tanks are needed in wars - try to hold a point without a bunch of tanks good luck

[Moist Butt]

lol tank is needed if you are doing expeditions in your level. I mean techically you can do it without a tank, but lets' not pretend the average party can pull that off.

[Grailer]

How much does it cost for a tank to repair armour after taking damage . As dps it costs me nothing because I dont get hit :)

My weapon gets broken but I just use 1 repair kit ( you know the ones they fixed )

Well thanks for tanking . For those about to repair I salute you .

[Bastila Shan]

Im playing palidan tank
80 str
100 focus
250 con

And im doing just fine. Sure i cant take out enemies super fast but my survivability is massive now and that’s essential for soloing in high lvl areas.

Ps, tanking is really useful in team play just like healing. But if you’re looking for a pure solo build then play your own way - not as a tank or healer (these are purely for team play)

[Bob Gnarly]

Pointless? The game would suck without tanks, I'd say they're required.

[NickandAutumn]

Ive tanked all end game content with just 150 con lol i use sword and shield like crazy in pvp and I destroy people. secondary is axe but i have dumped all left over points into strength. I have decent gear and with my carrot cake i get 150 con and 300 strength

[Bastila Shan]

Originally posted by NickandAutumn:

Ive tanked all end game content with just 150 con lol i use sword and shield like crazy in pvp and I destroy people. secondary is axe but i have dumped all left over points into strength. I have decent gear and with my carrot cake i get 150 con and 300 strength

How many hits can you take though before you go down? lol

[Kelenek✪]

Im playing paladin... Ironicaly i prefered when Resilient was bugged, it somehow made me take less stamina dmg when Blocking... I couldnt do dmg for ♥♥♥♥.. but i actually felt tanky and felt like the enemy had to play around me and think... now with the same build i still cant kill ♥♥♥♥ but now 1 hatchet spamming on my shield can knock me off stam in a matter of seconds and 1 mage can just ♥♥♥♥ me up without me being able to do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. it really does feel useless playing tank now.
Simple fix imo, give me some kind of Grit while blocking atleast... and make it so the hammer AOE slam doesnt stun through me blocking ? what ? and PLZ make SnS stuns not a stupid Sleep... makes it an actual stun... or change it to a knockdown... and if you want to help SnS with some abbility to do dmg ... give SnS a bleed of somekind... either on a skill so you have to sacrifice a skill for it... or on our final basic attack... it still wont hurt much... but atleast in the 1v1, as a tank... if the guy cant outplay you/ you are able to TANK his dmg, you can bleed him out in the long run... anyway hes just gonna run away and you wont be able to catch him... because GA has best CC and best mobility. But ohh no YOU cant run away from a GA... because their basic attack has a 80ft commando lunge.

[Dyspeptic Icarus]

Originally posted by Chocbomb:

I wish upon you the skill of formatting.

The truth has been spoken.

[Grailer]

Originally posted by Hoboslayer:

Originally posted by NickandAutumn:

Ive tanked all end game content with just 150 con lol i use sword and shield like crazy in pvp and I destroy people. secondary is axe but i have dumped all left over points into strength. I have decent gear and with my carrot cake i get 150 con and 300 strength

How many hits can you take though before you go down? lol

2 hits from fire staff and hes probably destroying no one .

[Dyspeptic Icarus]

Originally posted by Hoboslayer:

Originally posted by NickandAutumn:

Ive tanked all end game content with just 150 con lol i use sword and shield like crazy in pvp and I destroy people. secondary is axe but i have dumped all left over points into strength. I have decent gear and with my carrot cake i get 150 con and 300 strength

How many hits can you take though before you go down? lol

Depends on the Enemy. Fire Staff would absolutely destroy him, but a Bow or Musket would get nuked to hell. They rely on single target physical damage. Fire Staff is pure elemental, and can do AOE.

Melee Weapons would be a skill contest. Shield protecting from a lot of damage. While 150 Con ain't nothing to sneeze at.

[retsam1]

Originally posted by Longshot1524:

So, I decided after playing a paladin in Closed Beta the class was helpless outside a group, I did little to no damage when I was solo, even basic quests took forever. Came back during open played a Str based tank, meaning 300 con the rest dumps to str, Now having played since launch I feel that my build class has been nerfed to being useless anywhere in game with exception to end game expeditions. Tanks are not needed for open world dungeons, not needed for end game framing. Impossible to climb any ladder in any end game environment you will consistently find my name on the bottom of every war/invasion/outpost rush. I know that healers are starting to feel the same, the only way to be competitive now in the end game content is to run some type of damage class exploit. Its sad to say I’m likely stepping away from New World so shortly after the game launch, I wanted to play a build that would take more strategy then farming for hours to minutely add a few more points of damage to my output. In the current state of the game, it seems that my class has no use, would have been better off picking to just play strength based DPS in heavy armor. It’s sad when I head to war and we have seen that 90% of players are now all stacking heavy armor regardless of their build, wondering what makes tanks special. My HP pool has continued to decline regardless of my Con going up, two weeks ago with Food buff on I was hitting just barely under 15k hp, I’m now lucky if my HP pool is able to reach 14k, yet nothing written in the patch notes about reducing HP. Seems like half of every Outpost rush is a group of people running the current unpatched exploit that someone has turned in a bug report for, to bad the bug reports are so public, I watch people swap out their machine gun fire staff for hatchets then great axes, whatever allows them ruin the game for any one not willing to exploit, and the best part is, even once their band they get to swap their email address and log right back in.

Wall of text aside, you damage mainly comes from your weapons and making good choices with weapons so that you are optimizing your stats appropriately.

Secondarily it comes from your skill choices so if you chose poorly that can make your damage less.

Thirdly from your armor and other gear's bonuses(minorly though in most cases.

And lastly from potions, trophies and some other bonus benefits that can be earned.

If you're doing dungeons, especially in the higher dungeons, needs to have good gear, buffs, and like any dungeon'd mmo, awareness of the fights and situations and the dynamics of your group.

For pvp in the end game, you can tank some but if half their team is on you, even with healers, it just may not be enough. Its just not part of the typical pvp strategy to stand flat footed in the thick of it and expect you're going to hold everyone back.

Your ranting about players switching weapons is also silly. That is an intentional feature of the game and part of the strategies to employ at some times. It sounds like you are too entrenched in your previous mmo/game play experiences and are unable to adapt to the play here. Perhaps if you can't that indicates that you may need to consider other games to play that better match you.

All in all, most of what you describe is a user end issue centered set of problems. If you want to play pvp more in large groups, consider changing your weapon choices and play style. If you are not surviving well in dungeons or elite farming, first determine if your healer is not subpar, and then next look at your gear and skill choices being subpar and or your tactics in fights especially boss fights(thorpe is a good example of what I mean).

With everything said though, are there bugs, exploits, and other things going on? Yes but again some of what you're writing about is more about your choices and thinking about the game in general.

Good luck.

[Cpt.P1mp]

It has it's uses but it needs balancing sure. As for not being used for endgame stuff, lol. You need a tank for pretty much everything.
It's problems for me are threat generation. Aoe threat not single target.

Endgame dungeons? Yes. ♥♥♥♥♥♥ without. Dynasty being about the only one u can do without a tank rather easy. But it's not endgame its a 55 dung.

Elite runs? Yes.
I call them portals,? Yes.
Questing? Unless you use a dps bug you prob got a easyer time soloing endgame as a tank arm. Key point survivability.

Invasions? Well this one is kind of a no atm, if I could effectively threat without them walking by, Then yes.

Pvp? It's not glorious, more of a support. But I hold bases in outpost rush by myself at times.
Or buy time for my team as a distraction. If I can get the enemy to hit me instead of others, that's a win, they wasting time on me, I can take a lot. Meanwhile my guys should be directly hitting them.
I assume as people get better at pvp I will just be ignored, but atm I mostly taunt them on me.
Can win a lot of 1v1s actually vs melee, ranged is the problem for tanks.

You want enough hp to withstand any 1 shot mechanic from bosses. 200 with right gems can allow that, rest in strength for me.

[Shurpy]

Not gonna read that wall a text just came here to say git gud