PVP Scaling made end game pointless

[Shamballa !!!]

So, what exactly is the reason for you to hit 60 and grind gear, if pvp scaling is so brutal?
Im a tank lvl 60, in good gs armor, yesterday doing some tasks i ran into a guy who is 44 lvl, 3 hits with his spear and half of my HP was gone, a feat unachievable by anyone on my own lvl in any gear score...

The thing is, that lower level hit me waaay harder then my own would, and i hit them waaaaay lower than vs my lvl guys. So end game in here is grinding equipment and progressing you character to be stronger, but what exactly is the point if no matter what lvl you are and what you do, a 44 lvl can just pop you like a damn balloon?

Oh but i remember, when you removed it a bunch of people cried on forums cuz they were too lazy to lvl up, but wanted to dominate everything. Either balance this redicilous system, remove it, or just dont bother lvling up honestly... get yourself lvl 44-45, go to high loc on pvp faction quests and have fun chipping 60 lvls as you please.

Oh but you want to farm gear and progress in PVE? yeah too bad, corruptions are unclosable due to a bug, thus you can't craft orbs to enter 60 lvl dungeons. Issue is not addressed since release so have fun doing that as well

EDIT.
It seems many people dont have a capacity to analize things, so I'll make it more clear
I'm a lvl 60 tank with 400 constitution and rest in Focus. I run sword and life staff with sword is heavily focus on the tank tree (right one). My gs is full faction 60 armor that itself averages around 515-530.
My problem is not with existence of scaling, but with how it is down right now.
On my own lvl, i can easily live and not die if 3 or even 4 60 lvls are trying to grind me (dont take me wrong, with this skill build killing anyone is almost impossible, point is to be unkillable) I never died to 3 60 players PERIOD. I'm in a top guild for my faction and i face pvp a lot so i have some samples to judge.
The problem is, if I ran into 1 DD who is 45, i already start sweating cuz too much damage, if i ran into two 45s, im certainly dead.

I will also note, that problem is obvious especially in the 45-60 scaling, because base damage of 45 lvl gets significantly multiplied (well multiplication is the same, but since damage is bigger is shows higher numbers)

[SmashTheStatl]

Tank useless in solo pvp.

[Zalzany]

引用自 Fukamachi：

引用自 Pharnham：

When you grind town quests to hit 60 as fast as possible ... which is how you are 60 already ... you fail to properly develop your character. The 44 person did not neglect his skills.

Scaling is broken in this game. Wtf are you talking about fanboy?

Simmer down haterkid, half the damn people in your camp cry there is no scaling at play lol. I mean almost every "amazon is the devil!" post or comment i see claims pvp scailing is a myth lol These are facts though I met high levels who have ♥♥♥♥ for actual pvp experince, gear and weapons skilsl they do so much crap to max out their char level asap they end up lacking in all the important ♥♥♥♥ like real game skills. I mean I bet he didn't go past 30 for his con, and calls himself a tank because he is in heavy armor lol

I see this all the time its like no dude a tank is like heavy con. Meanwhile probally has same hp as level 25, with meh gear of a 45 lol

[Nophex]

WTF there is scailing? some guy with a fire staff was 1 shotting me

[Aeekto]

引用自 Fukamachi：

引用自 Pharnham：

When you grind town quests to hit 60 as fast as possible ... which is how you are 60 already ... you fail to properly develop your character. The 44 person did not neglect his skills.

Scaling is broken in this game. Wtf are you talking about fanboy?

there is no scaling anymore... it was an experiment during closed beta and already got removed in open beta

[Zalzany]

Corruption unclosable wtf? I just reread that what bug is that? I did like 16 in a row last time I went out with my faction on corruption run and only time they were "unclosable" was one run we ran around we didn't have a t2 azonth staff in group but cleared out a t2 point anywyas lol, we went back to t1s and got 8 more closed lol

He thinks its wow or something like being 60 means he has 3k more hp then 45 lol. You have more stat points to use then him and should have more weapon skills, but I bet the guy not racing to 60 has more mastery points sigh. Like this is why any youtube guy warns people about leveling to fast you out pace your skills and gear, and end up with your butt hanging in the wind in pvp because you skipped half the learning curve, not to mention a ton of gear upgrades doing crap like using town boards for quick exp, and what not lol

[FLINTDICKWOOD]

Be less bad ez

[soulshiver]

This is what happens in pvp scaling games .. I've seen it before
They make pve a slow progression .. you level up, you get better gear, you farm for items etc etc to keep these players playing and feeling like they're accomplishing things ..
Then they introduce or try to work in pvp

So one of two things happens..

you please the pvp crowd by .. not having levels or long extended progression on characters and instead make easy to change weapon skills that don't scale or progress upwards
Think of drop in lobby games, you join you pick a character you fight other players .. semi even playing field nobody is high level with epic drops etc .. the pvp is much more fun and engaging


you please the pve crowd by .. having a flag or an option to opt-in and opt-out of pvp but gear and levels is taking into account .. so a level 80 pver with epic dungeon loots will ultimately 1 shot a level 20 pvper with generic loot

Either way you piss of a lot of people, one day I'm sure some obsure indy game will figure this out instead of having queues for battlegrounds or seperate instanced pvp battles .. but this scaling thing right now is not enjoyable

Either you play long extended periods of time to obtain decent loot and levels only for it all to be meaningless in a fight .. or higher levels roam lower level areas destroying everyone flagged lower level w/o epic gear .. either way it's gonna suck

[Lifting man]

引用自 Shamballa !!!：

Im a tank lvl 60, in good gs armor, yesterday doing some tasks i ran into a guy who is 44 lvl, 3 hits with his spear and half of my HP was gone

I find this incredibly good game design. levels should give you an edge, you should not be a health sponge if you're higher level than me, only more lethal. good design tbh, yeah he probably has only dps gear on and quests can give you better things. i never used any pvp armor or weapon because i got better from questing.

[JonesSkill]

Yeah, scaling is just trash, PVP is laready optional, its crazy to hit (with a ice glauntlet) only 300 dmg on a level 30 and he hits back 1k with a level 25 musket.

Literally the game punishes you for your dedication.

[Qinshi]

引用自 Shamballa !!!：

引用自 Pharnham：

When you grind town quests to hit 60 as fast as possible ... which is how you are 60 already ... you fail to properly develop your character. The 44 person did not neglect his skills.

wat?
Like im 60 with 500 gear score, how is me doing town projects and quests on 40+ and also grinding dungeons, fit with this nonsense of getting garbage from "classical" leveling. You do realise, that gear wise there is no gear better than gear from dungeons and faction gear, until you hit 60 right?
And no one who abuses town board skips damn dungeons. What a mute point.

Or if my gear is sooo terrible, how the hell im tanking seiges, invasions and dungeons like nobody's business. Oh right, CUZ THERE SCALING DOES NOT WORK.

But sure, you can be mad for not playing smart, and doing a pointless quest grind that gives you literal garbage and blame others for not being ineffective, whatev

How many of your attacks actually did hit the other player?
Also your weapon needs to be close to your target. The Spear is known for hitting mobs/players from a distance.

How is your stats attributes?
What skills are you using? Did you have a weapon tree costumized to pvp? Or did you have a totally PVE build trying to fight in pvp?

'gearscore' doesnt mean ♥♥♥♥ if the armor you are wearing has all the wrong stats. Its the STATS on the armor that will determine your weapon damage. Its your own skill in dodging / attacking / movement that will determine how much you hit the enemy and you avoid enemy damage.

The only thing that gearscore does, is get you likely better gear drops for your lvl.

Also you have a PVP build for your weapon and a PVE build for your weapon.

[Komarimaru]

引用自 Aeekto：

引用自 Fukamachi：

Scaling is broken in this game. Wtf are you talking about fanboy?

there is no scaling anymore... it was an experiment during closed beta and already got removed in open beta

Incorrect. They changed how scaling works, but it's still there. Takes far less hits for say a level 30 to kill a level 50, then vice versa.

The way most figured the scaling works, is a light attack from a lower level player would take 10%-15% of the persons health, as tested thus far.

Basically a lower level players is doing +% based damage, where as the higher level player hitting the lower level player, is -% based damage. Anyone can test this and see for themselves in the game once it's back up.

[Arisen]

引用自 IEATFETI：

you do know pvp scaling only wokrs in the open world where its make no diffrence? theres no in the war invasion outpost rush where lvls matter and are needed

Only have war if you do the OPEN WORLD PVP QUEST

[CoWnOsE]

Still no mention of his actual attributes at the time this happened...

[Zalzany]

引用自 Arisen：

引用自 IEATFETI：

you do know pvp scaling only wokrs in the open world where its make no diffrence? theres no in the war invasion outpost rush where lvls matter and are needed

Only have war if you do the OPEN WORLD PVP QUEST

And get a swarm of people to do it one lone guy doing it would take days lol. I seen people conflict a zone its like 20+ people all grouped up running pvp missions I seen when its only 5, they make a tiny tiny little baby dent in it, and complain in faction chat this is pointless and demand people stop what they are doing and help them, its like dude your clan wants to war dec maybe have enough players to do more of a dent on it first...

[IEATFETI]

引用自 Arisen：

引用自 IEATFETI：

you do know pvp scaling only wokrs in the open world where its make no diffrence? theres no in the war invasion outpost rush where lvls matter and are needed

Only have war if you do the OPEN WORLD PVP QUEST

WHO DOSE OPEN WORLD PVP INFLUNECE SOLO?? no one its ALWAYS zergs take like 20 mins with enough people then the war/invasion/outpost rush where the pvp matters