Enough is Enough, add the PvP Servers

[Backpack]

We need this. It will be chaotic, it will be brutal, but it will be fun.

Base game, is tilting as a PvPer. The flag system sucks, the incentives to PvP sucks, the faction system doesn't make any sense, as you can join a faction and just avoid PvP.

Half the faction quests are PvE too, so you have PvP gear that you get by doing PvE. It doesn't make any sense.

People dance in and out of safe zones like it's going out of style too. Weirdest PvP meta I've ever seen in a game. The forts are weird too. Like you capture a fort, then the enemies just teleport through the gates. It doesn't make any sense.

Then the town sieges, they could be really cool, but you guys made it some weird 40v40 battleground rather than a really cool world PvP encounter.

Anyways, there are tons of solutions, but one thing almost all the PvPers agree on, is your systems for PvP suck.

That is why it is time, unleash the PvP servers and fulfil Jeff Bezos destiny.

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by RockyFour:

Originally posted by Caduryn:

So because it "has some pvp Servers" means its a hardcore open World pvp Game? ....?

Again your saying ridiculous things that don't make any sense. Who is talking about hardcore open world PvP games?

Where do I ask for full loot PvP?

In WoW, you see someone on opposite faction on PvP server, you have option to kill, it's fun.

I can't read anything more you guys say. You guys are so ridiculous, none of you have said anything of substance in the last 20-30 posts. Nothing intelligent has been said.

I read my posts, they are very clear, with reasoning behind them, your guys post, do not fit into that criteria.

You just string random words together and decide it's fact somehow.

It's so frustrating.

Maybe someone else can take over and explain to you noobs the error in your ways.

And here we go again. Changing your argument.

First your discussions was about Full PvP server. And now?

You are moot. Like any other PvP minority.

Enjoy being loud and insignificant.

Quite simple

[Snipe]

Originally posted by RockyFour:

Originally posted by Snipe:

Now it doesn't matter what you comment, OP will just say your opinion doesn't have any logic.
I say @mods should lock this thread up and be done with it.

I know someone has a different opinion than you so they should have their thread locked.

Of course, classic.

One thing is to have a different opinion and being polite while discussing it.
Another thing is to call anyone who gives you their opinion "absent of any form of logic",
"nonsensical things","not relevant".

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by Snipe:

Originally posted by RockyFour:

I know someone has a different opinion than you so they should have their thread locked.

Of course, classic.

One thing is to have a different opinion and being polite while discussing it.
Another thing is to call anyone who gives you their opinion "absent of any form of logic",
"nonsensical things","not relevant".

I concur.

He is moot.

[Maijeral]

Originally posted by RockyFour:

Originally posted by EvilHare:

I concur.

He is moot.

Your posts are getting more and more intelligent by the minute.

As are yours? All you do is claim they have no logic, but don’t defend your argument with logic… that’s why this thread is so funny.

[Backpack]

Originally posted by Maijeral:

Originally posted by RockyFour:

Your posts are getting more and more intelligent by the minute.

As are yours? All you do is claim they have no logic, but don’t defend your argument with logic… that’s why this thread is so funny.

Actually I do.

[Windsward]

We don't have plans for dedicated PvP servers at launch. The main issue is dividing dev and support requirements between slightly different versions of the game. Then we'd have to be really clear about what long term support would look like, since those PvP server players would expect game updates targeting their version of the game too but mapping to their top needs and wants, separate from how the majority of other players were playing NW.

[Anton]

Originally posted by RockyFour:

We need this. It will be chaotic, it will be brutal, but it will be fun.

Base game, is tilting as a PvPer. The flag system sucks, the incentives to PvP sucks, the faction system doesn't make any sense, as you can join a faction and just avoid PvP.

Half the faction quests are PvE too, so you have PvP gear that you get by doing PvE. It doesn't make any sense.

People dance in and out of safe zones like it's going out of style too. Weirdest PvP meta I've ever seen in a game. The forts are weird too. Like you capture a fort, then the enemies just teleport through the gates. It doesn't make any sense.

Then the town sieges, they could be really cool, but you guys made it some weird 40v40 battleground rather than a really cool world PvP encounter.

Anyways, there are tons of solutions, but one thing almost all the PvPers agree on, is your systems for PvP suck.

That is why it is time, unleash the PvP servers and fulfil Jeff Bezos destiny.

New World has some good mix of PvP and PvE , game cant survive without both because thats how the game was made, with pvp being a core piece of territory / faction wars , You can go full time pvp as you can go full time pve, i see no need to add a FULL PVP server , game has so much to offer than just mindlessly ganking people , and if you DO want to gank people, go gank other faction pvpers and prevent them from scoring points in your faction territory or YOU could be scoring points in theirs? still dont like the idea? then pick some other PVP game that is not an mmorpg, simple as that.

[Backpack]

Originally posted by Anton:

Originally posted by RockyFour:

We need this. It will be chaotic, it will be brutal, but it will be fun.

Base game, is tilting as a PvPer. The flag system sucks, the incentives to PvP sucks, the faction system doesn't make any sense, as you can join a faction and just avoid PvP.

Half the faction quests are PvE too, so you have PvP gear that you get by doing PvE. It doesn't make any sense.

People dance in and out of safe zones like it's going out of style too. Weirdest PvP meta I've ever seen in a game. The forts are weird too. Like you capture a fort, then the enemies just teleport through the gates. It doesn't make any sense.

Then the town sieges, they could be really cool, but you guys made it some weird 40v40 battleground rather than a really cool world PvP encounter.

Anyways, there are tons of solutions, but one thing almost all the PvPers agree on, is your systems for PvP suck.

That is why it is time, unleash the PvP servers and fulfil Jeff Bezos destiny.

New World has some good mix of PvP and PvE , game cant survive without both because thats how the game was made, with pvp being a core piece of territory / faction wars , You can go full time pvp as you can go full time pve, i see no need to add a FULL PVP server , game has so much to offer than just mindlessly ganking people , and if you DO want to gank people, go gank other faction pvpers and prevent them from scoring points in your faction territory or YOU could be scoring points in theirs? still dont like the idea? then pick some other PVP game that is not an mmorpg, simple as that.

They need full PvP servers for a few reasons.

1) You can't tell who on your team is flagged for PvP and who isn't.
2) People can body block you and troll when your trying to PvP someone
3) Not enough PvP
4) People who are un-flagged take your resource nodes and it's really frustrating
5) It's emersion breaking
6) Faction quests/gear/rewards make no sense as you can get the PvP gear from doing PvE, PvP servers would fix this fallacy.
7) Some kids get really mad when you kill them and unflag then try to kite mobs onto you.
8) Some kids get really mad when you kill them and follow you around with voice chat unflagged saying profanities
9) The systems do not reward PvP as much as it should resulting in people who enjoy PvP to avoid it in favour of min maxing.
10) Faction systems would immediately stop being weird and make sense.

[Maijeral]

1. Flagged and unflagging players can’t be on the same team.
2. This type of thing can happen in pve as well - body blocking shots. It’s a mechanic issue.
3. Personal opinion.
4. If they’re mining them, they aren’t your resources. Farm elsewhere.
5. What?
6. Even on a pvp server, you’d still be crafting gear since it’s not full loot. Makes no sense.
7. Some pvp’ers get mad you aren’t flagged so train mobs onto you.
8. See above. People are toxic when they get pissed off, it’s a human problem. Never gonna go away.
9. Personal opinion again.
10. It isn’t weird. It’s a dual system that promotes pvp without enforcing it. That’s just good planning.

Also, “We don't have plans for dedicated PvP servers at launch. The main issue is dividing dev and support requirements between slightly different versions of the game. Then we'd have to be really clear about what long term support would look like, since those PvP server players would expect game updates targeting their version of the game too but mapping to their top needs and wants, separate from how the majority of other players were playing NW.”

[Vun]

Originally posted by Windsward:

We don't have plans for dedicated PvP servers at launch. The main issue is dividing dev and support requirements between slightly different versions of the game. Then we'd have to be really clear about what long term support would look like, since those PvP server players would expect game updates targeting their version of the game too but mapping to their top needs and wants, separate from how the majority of other players were playing NW.

This doesn't make sense to me. I understand dividing dev team and support would be bad. But we literally want the same exact game that is there currently. We want nothing to change except you being auto flagged when you leave town after choosing a faction. Literally nothing else has to change.

The only other thing I could think of being a problem is if you already have plans in the works for PvP always on regions. Which nothing would need to change there either?

We do not need separate developer resources for these servers. Just force the flag on when people leave town. End of story.

[Backpack]

Originally posted by Maijeral:

1. Flagged and unflagging players can’t be on the same team.
2. This type of thing can happen in pve as well - body blocking shots. It’s a mechanic issue.
3. Personal opinion.
4. If they’re mining them, they aren’t your resources. Farm elsewhere.
5. What?
6. Even on a pvp server, you’d still be crafting gear since it’s not full loot. Makes no sense.
7. Some pvp’ers get mad you aren’t flagged so train mobs onto you.
8. See above. People are toxic when they get pissed off, it’s a human problem. Never gonna go away.
9. Personal opinion again.
10. It isn’t weird. It’s a dual system that promotes pvp without enforcing it. That’s just good planning.

Also, “We don't have plans for dedicated PvP servers at launch. The main issue is dividing dev and support requirements between slightly different versions of the game. Then we'd have to be really clear about what long term support would look like, since those PvP server players would expect game updates targeting their version of the game too but mapping to their top needs and wants, separate from how the majority of other players were playing NW.”

1. You can't tell if your team mates are flagged or not which is important to PvP.
2. It's stupid is what it is.
3. It's not a personal opinion, it's an opinion, it's an opinion shared by many
4. I'm not an SJW
5. It makes no sense, you are at war with a faction but they go, wait, you can't kill me, I'm not flagged. How is that not emersion breaking? Like how is that hard to understand.
6. The PvP gear would be acquired while doing PvP if forced flagging was on for people who joined a faction
7. Another reason why PvP servers are needed.
8. It does go away if you have the option to kill them.
9. Not my personal opinion, I don't care about min-maxing, it's an argument I heard many people make.
10) It is weird, you join a PvP faction, to PvP, but don't have to PvP. It's like what lol.

[Bl4ck]

Originally posted by RockyFour:

Originally posted by Maijeral:

1. Flagged and unflagging players can’t be on the same team.
2. This type of thing can happen in pve as well - body blocking shots. It’s a mechanic issue.
3. Personal opinion.
4. If they’re mining them, they aren’t your resources. Farm elsewhere.
5. What?
6. Even on a pvp server, you’d still be crafting gear since it’s not full loot. Makes no sense.
7. Some pvp’ers get mad you aren’t flagged so train mobs onto you.
8. See above. People are toxic when they get pissed off, it’s a human problem. Never gonna go away.
9. Personal opinion again.
10. It isn’t weird. It’s a dual system that promotes pvp without enforcing it. That’s just good planning.

Also, “We don't have plans for dedicated PvP servers at launch. The main issue is dividing dev and support requirements between slightly different versions of the game. Then we'd have to be really clear about what long term support would look like, since those PvP server players would expect game updates targeting their version of the game too but mapping to their top needs and wants, separate from how the majority of other players were playing NW.”

1. You can't tell if your team mates are flagged or not which is important to PvP.
2. It's stupid is what it is.
3. It's not a personal opinion, it's an opinion, it's an opinion shared by many
4. I'm not an SJW
5. It makes no sense, you are at war with a faction but they go, wait, you can't kill me, I'm not flagged. How is that not emersion breaking? Like how is that hard to understand.
6. The PvP gear would be acquired while doing PvP if forced flagging was on for people who joined a faction
7. Another reason why PvP servers are needed.
8. It does go away if you have the option to kill them.
9. Not my personal opinion, I don't care about min-maxing, it's an argument I heard many people make.
10) It is weird, you join a PvP faction, to PvP, but don't have to PvP. It's like what lol.

emersion = the act to emerge, e.g. land mass emerges out of the sea

Immersion = to become completly involved into sth., e.g. a video game world

....just to clarify

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by Bl4ck:

emersion = the act to emerge, e.g. land mass emerges out of the sea

Immersion = to become completly involved into sth., e.g. a video game world

....just to clarify

Not to mention it is subjective. Immersion to one person is not to another.

[Bob Gnarly]

Originally posted by Anton:

Originally posted by Bob Gnarly:

Spoken like someone that has never tried NW PvP.

Did i hit a nerve ? my bad, you should git gud.

Jesus I didn't realise I was dealing with a 10 year old, my bad.

[Bob Gnarly]

Originally posted by Mr_Mus:

With the amount of people i saw pvp flagged during the beta, i find it hard to belive there wasnt enough pvp. Funny thing though, you guys was mainly fighting just outside the cities, hardly saw any of you out in the wild.

But I guess fighting someone ready for pvp is not as fun as ganking someone out in the wild while he is harvesting something or engage with mobs...

Yeah you've stumbled upon the problem PvP players are having.

There is hardly anywhere to find fights. On my server in the beta, the north gate at Windsward became the unofficial spot to find PvP fights because it was so rare to find them out in the wild.