Folktails are better than Iron Teeth

[Sufferage]

I know its early access this is just a suggestion topic I would like to start. I played a few maps of both factions. I feel like the Iron Teeth just don't have very much that is really all that unique about them. I would like to see some different farming methods for them, and maybe a new storage facility as well. At the moment its seems to me that the Folktails after its all said and done have way way way better area management especially with food and storage. Which in my 2 play throughs each faction is what takes up most of the initial area and facilitates making new districts. I would like to see the communities opinions, and or suggestions with the Iron Teeth.

[Galava]

Diffrent Factions provide diffrent playstyles. Ironteeth is aimed to dam/terraforming gameplay, due the deep water pumps. Ironteeth weaker then Folktails in early game, but equalizes in mid end game. + They have constant power generator , if game devs will integrate automated water pump it gonna be more effective for Iron Teeth.

[Dravkwn]

Folks are supposed to eat more food, I imagine that's the reason why they get a hive. Underground storage is large, but you can't stack it at all. Easy enough to stack large storage units with just about anything and everything and have so much storage you'd never need the underground. Unless you don't need many log piles Irons get tons of space saving with those being stacked. /shrug

[N1nj4]

Escrito originalmente por Dravkwn:

Folks are supposed to eat more food, I imagine that's the reason why they get a hive. Underground storage is large, but you can't stack it at all. Easy enough to stack large storage units with just about anything and everything and have so much storage you'd never need the underground. Unless you don't need many log piles Irons get tons of space saving with those being stacked. /shrug

Honestly having to stack 4 large storages ontop of eachother is too impractical.. Aside from having to build scaffolding and stairs usually building that tall means it takes forever to get up and down. I would loved to see the ability to add scaffolding ontop of the underground storage and honestly given the name it would make more sense for it to be a 1 by 1 block like a subway station and double the cost for it.

[N1nj4]

Escrito originalmente por Sufferage:

I know its early access this is just a suggestion topic I would like to start. I played a few maps of both factions. I feel like the Iron Teeth just don't have very much that is really all that unique about them. I would like to see some different farming methods for them, and maybe a new storage facility as well. At the moment its seems to me that the Folktails after its all said and done have way way way better area management especially with food and storage. Which in my 2 play throughs each faction is what takes up most of the initial area and facilitates making new districts. I would like to see the communities opinions, and or suggestions with the Iron Teeth.

I like the idea of the iron teeth but I think the power generators are just too annoying compared to the folktales windmills... There is no point in having a person stationed at the generator as carriers will deliver the goods regardless so it takes up manpower and burns through wood like crazy. I LOVE the housing.

I've been recently suggesting they add aqueducts and water wheels so maybe the Iron teeth could have pressurized pipes that attach to and from water pumps and buildings that require water??? Maybe different types and scales of hydroponics farms would be a good idea for both factions as well and just have the folktales cart the water by hand. I've also wondered about replacing the irrigation tower by giving special aqueduct segments a wide rectangular watering zone.

[Dravkwn]

Escrito originalmente por N1nj4:

Escrito originalmente por Dravkwn:

Folks are supposed to eat more food, I imagine that's the reason why they get a hive. Underground storage is large, but you can't stack it at all. Easy enough to stack large storage units with just about anything and everything and have so much storage you'd never need the underground. Unless you don't need many log piles Irons get tons of space saving with those being stacked. /shrug

Honestly having to stack 4 large storages ontop of eachother is too impractical.. Aside from having to build scaffolding and stairs usually building that tall means it takes forever to get up and down. I would loved to see the ability to add scaffolding ontop of the underground storage and honestly given the name it would make more sense for it to be a 1 by 1 block like a subway station and double the cost for it.

Not sure where the idea that you need to stack 4 comes from, but it's a terrible idea in most cases. Though you can stack 4 I'd probably suggest not more than 2.

[di eshor ribly]

Escrito originalmente por Dravkwn:

Escrito originalmente por N1nj4:

Honestly having to stack 4 large storages ontop of eachother is too impractical.. Aside from having to build scaffolding and stairs usually building that tall means it takes forever to get up and down. I would loved to see the ability to add scaffolding ontop of the underground storage and honestly given the name it would make more sense for it to be a 1 by 1 block like a subway station and double the cost for it.

Not sure where the idea that you need to stack 4 comes from, but it's a terrible idea in most cases. Though you can stack 4 I'd probably suggest not more than 2.

Yeah, my biggest large warehouse doomstacks contain the following:

Three large warehouses as the base, with two 1x3 strips between them.
Two strips of 1x3 platforms, put between the three ground warehouses.
Two large warehouses placed in the gaps made by the base level.
Two staircases to the second floor warehouses.

Voila, you have space for Planks, Gears, Paper, Metal and Explosives in a handy 11x3 space (with a few protrusions for the stairs).

I do a similar doomstack near the food prep area for all the edible stuff.

The only thing I stack a lot of would be the Iron Tooth industrial log pile, and that's mostly for giggles. Even my Iron Tooth housing is minimally stacked: 12 barracks stuck into two 9x4 boxes, stacked two high with stairs and platforms holds 120 beavers. Unless you're building huge ridiculous colonies you won't ever need more than 100 or so.

[Dravkwn]

Escrito originalmente por di eshor ribly:

The only thing I stack a lot of would be the Iron Tooth industrial log pile, and that's mostly for giggles.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2618889003 Here's two log piles with a forester and two lumberjacks on top. 16 space usage vs Folks needing 24. Definitely enjoy stacking those together.

[G4M5T3R]

Escrito originalmente por Dravkwn:

Not sure where the idea that you need to stack 4 comes from, but it's a terrible idea in most cases. Though you can stack 4 I'd probably suggest not more than 2.

The footprint and capacity. Large holds 1000 and the Underground is 4000. Both are 3x3.

[Dravkwn]

Escrito originalmente por G4M5T3R:

Escrito originalmente por Dravkwn:

Not sure where the idea that you need to stack 4 comes from, but it's a terrible idea in most cases. Though you can stack 4 I'd probably suggest not more than 2.

The footprint and capacity. Large holds 1000 and the Underground is 4000. Both are 3x3.

If that's what the poster was thinking, but you're not them and that doesn't explain the NEED to stack 4. The original topic is about space management and that Folks are better at it, but that's not exactly true. They might have the underground, but Irons got the easy stacking log piles and some fantastic lodge options. With the amount of space you can save on just some of those you get more space for other things. That extra space could easily be more side by side storage units.

I will add that there should be a point where you have more than enough storage and don't need to add more and that I'd expect either one more than capable of reaching that without ever needing to resort to the underground storage. I will agree that there are people that would WANT it though. :)

[G4M5T3R]

Escrito originalmente por Dravkwn:

If that's what the poster was thinking, but you're not them and that doesn't explain the NEED to stack 4.

I'm not, but it's pretty obvious where they got the number 4.

[Dravkwn]

Escrito originalmente por G4M5T3R:

I'm not, but it's pretty obvious where they got the number 4.

That's what I would assume, but I don't want to go making assumptions. They might have assumed they need to stack 4 to have enough storage, but in all likelihood? Yeah, they were trying to make some direct comparison between storage.

[Dravkwn]

I'd like to add to an earlier comment that when I talk about stacking large storage that I wouldn't suggest stacking more than two directly on top of each other. If you stagger them so the next levels only require a single increase in height to enter they can become far more travel distance friendly.