Seeing a lot of indexs on sale.... i wonder why

[MissYoda]

So am a vr owner, i love the valve index but i hardly use it as much, i probably only play like 3-5 hours not many times a week. I just want more higher quality VR games like half life alyx. Am seeing a lot of owners are selling there indexes either they hardly use it or because their skint because of covid.


Now looking back i personality won't pay £800-900 for the full kit maybe lower, yes valve has fantastic speed and response because i had to replace my index, it had a nasty deep scratch, i only had it for a month so i had to buy Plano lenses. Other issues i have is the position of the move button i wish it was lower for comfort and sometimes the right hold grip sticks making holding objects not dropping.

I do get a motion sickness after a while, so i try to sit down and play vr. I just wish more games were Half life alyx standards.

I hear the quest 2 is booming in popularity, but i just don't like having a FB account or the idea u need one just in order to play. I wish the valve was lighter in cables as you drag it around as well.

[temps]

The Valve Index has lots of great games: Arizona Sunshine, Elite Dangerous, Pavlov VR, The Room VR: A Dark Matter, Beat Saber, Boneworks, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim VR, Star Wars: Squadrons, Lone Echo, The Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners... and yeah Half-Life: Alyx.

I would imagine some people are selling their indexes because they already played all these games on their Valve Index and noticed there is HUGE demand for the Valve Index now that Half-Life: Alyx was released, so they figure it's a good opportunity to sell it while the used market Valve Index prices are so high.

I would bet they are wanting to get the money by selling while the price is high now so they can buy a next-gen headset next year sometime.

Don't forget you can also watch movies with it.

[LeftPaw]

You are probably seeing a lot of indexes up for sale because they are broken bits of over priced junk.

[MissYoda]

Originally posted by WetNose:

You are probably seeing a lot of indexes up for sale because they are broken bits of over priced junk.

How would you know? people won't buy them, even if they r selling them it's against TOS to lie. I don't blame people for selling them if you ain't got much time for it.

[Pyrous]

The reason people sell them is shipping time. Buying them secondhand means it arrives in weeks, not months. Scalpers sell them for twice to three times as much for people who are too impatient, or need it sooner. This isnt a case of people being bored of the medium, they are actively abusing a niche in the market for a high demand, low supply item, during a period of time where indoor isolative activity is at a peak, and where escapism is wanted desperately.

[Knight Lamune]

Originally posted by Kofu:

Originally posted by WetNose:

You are probably seeing a lot of indexes up for sale because they are broken bits of over priced junk.

How would you know?

I've owned the Vive, Vive Pro, Pimax 5K, and have quite a bit of time with a borrowed Rift, and now the Index. Not counting the GearVR, which is a completely different class of VR (though I find the image to be clearer than all of them even though it's being driven by an old cell phone.) I've got a Quest 2 on the way now too, because VR porn.

The Pimax was the worst of all of them, but it was a Kickstarter edition, so I've no idea if they've fixed their build problems with their commercial release, but that was hot Chinese gutter-ass that just "felt" cheap and was plagued with quality control issues as well. That went on eBay. For way more than it should have.

The Index is worse than the Pro in just about every measure as far as build and quality control. The trident cable is awful, and incredibly fragile at both the connectors and the cable itself which can be damaged by even the slightest kink. The connector behind the HMD is a frequent point of problems because it's also just a terrible design and bad choice for a connector. The lenses are made of some sort of plastic where if you breathe on them wrong they scratch. (We have cell phone glass now you can attack with a claw hammer but we still can't make a fresnel that isn't made out of optical jello? At this price point?)

The headset is narrower than previous gens; people who wear glasses that fit just fine in the Vive/Pro and Rift find that their frames are too wide to fit in the Index and requiring $130 aftermarket prescription lenses or DIYing something together using insulation foam and a 3D print off Thingiverse (which is also garbage) to really use properly as Valve still has not released a wide face gasket.

The controllers are nice; the knuckles are cash. And the audio is surprisingly wonderful for headphones that hover over the ears. I will say that; the Pro ear-spring things were a joke.


If I payed anywhere near full price for the Index I would have been very disappointed in this thing. Both lighthouses were defective and required an RMA. My cable needed an RMA. This was out of the box. Meanwhile my Vive Pro was beat to death being used in a VR Arcade setting, was purchased used from a different arcade, had been dropped, controllers bashed against walls, the cable twisted, and I've not once had an issue because it was built like a tank. The Index is built like an expensive convention demo that nobody ever actually ran through quality control revisions. It doesn't in any way feel like the next evolution with everything they learned from the Vive and Pro. It fits worse, it feels worse, all for a marginal graphics upgrade on the panels, better audio, and some sweet controllers which you can buy separately.

[DirtyButCAT]

Originally posted by Knight Lamune:

Originally posted by Kofu:

How would you know?

I've owned the Vive, Vive Pro, Pimax 5K, and have quite a bit of time with a borrowed Rift, and now the Index. Not counting the GearVR, which is a completely different class of VR (though I find the image to be clearer than all of them even though it's being driven by an old cell phone.) I've got a Quest 2 on the way now too, because VR porn.

The Pimax was the worst of all of them, but it was a Kickstarter edition, so I've no idea if they've fixed their build problems with their commercial release, but that was hot Chinese gutter-ass that just "felt" cheap and was plagued with quality control issues as well. That went on eBay. For way more than it should have.

The Index is worse than the Pro in just about every measure as far as build and quality control. The trident cable is awful, and incredibly fragile at both the connectors and the cable itself which can be damaged by even the slightest kink. The connector behind the HMD is a frequent point of problems because it's also just a terrible design and bad choice for a connector. The lenses are made of some sort of plastic where if you breathe on them wrong they scratch. (We have cell phone glass now you can attack with a claw hammer but we still can't make a fresnel that isn't made out of optical jello? At this price point?)

The headset is narrower than previous gens; people who wear glasses that fit just fine in the Vive/Pro and Rift find that their frames are too wide to fit in the Index and requiring $130 aftermarket prescription lenses or DIYing something together using insulation foam and a 3D print off Thingiverse (which is also garbage) to really use properly as Valve still has not released a wide face gasket.

The controllers are nice; the knuckles are cash. And the audio is surprisingly wonderful for headphones that hover over the ears. I will say that; the Pro ear-spring things were a joke.


If I payed anywhere near full price for the Index I would have been very disappointed in this thing. Both lighthouses were defective and required an RMA. My cable needed an RMA. This was out of the box. Meanwhile my Vive Pro was beat to death being used in a VR Arcade setting, was purchased used from a different arcade, had been dropped, controllers bashed against walls, the cable twisted, and I've not once had an issue because it was built like a tank. The Index is built like an expensive convention demo that nobody ever actually ran through quality control revisions. It doesn't in any way feel like the next evolution with everything they learned from the Vive and Pro. It fits worse, it feels worse, all for a marginal graphics upgrade on the panels, better audio, and some sweet controllers which you can buy separately.

Thanks for convincing me to just stay the hell out of VR completely, it's apparently all overpriced junk.

[KarstenS]

Originally posted by temps:

The Valve Index has lots of great games: Arizona Sunshine, Elite Dangerous, Pavlov VR, The Room VR: A Dark Matter, Beat Saber, Boneworks, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim VR, Star Wars: Squadrons, Lone Echo, The Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners... and yeah Half-Life: Alyx.

But all of them can be called "old stuff".

Since Alyx, there is not much happened in case of VR content on Steam.

"Ven VR Adventure" is something new and interesting. But else?

The Playstation and Oculus Store sometimes drop new interesting stuff. But steam looks nearly dead when it comes to new VR releases.

[EA Latium]

Originally posted by KarstenS:

The Playstation and Oculus Store sometimes drop new interesting stuff. But steam looks nearly dead when it comes to new VR releases.

VR releases are few and far in between. Boneworks was released December 19, this year has seen Saints and Sinners, Alyx and Medal of Honour - I'd say it's been pretty good.

PS and Oculus games are basically casual experiences, save few exceptions.

2021 is getting the new Sniper Elite and apparently Blade and Sorcery, although I haven't followed development that much.

[roel_koel]

@ knight lamune

Agree about index build quality and QA problems. My Vive and rift CV1 were bombproof in comparison.

Index Launch day owner here with multiple RMA's; 3 headsets, 5 BMR ear speakers, 7 left controller, 6 right controller, 2 tethers

Thankfully in EU otherwise would be out of warranty.

Lost 1/3rd of first year waiting on RMA's, I just lost another month waiting for new headset. Its totally sucked my enthusiasm for VR away...

[allan766]

Wait for Index 2 with 4k resolution just like Reverb G2 but wider field of view. Until then im happy with Quest 2 wireless pc gaming

[temps]

Originally posted by KarstenS:

Originally posted by temps:

The Valve Index has lots of great games: Arizona Sunshine, Elite Dangerous, Pavlov VR, The Room VR: A Dark Matter, Beat Saber, Boneworks, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim VR, Star Wars: Squadrons, Lone Echo, The Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners... and yeah Half-Life: Alyx.

But all of them can be called "old stuff".

Since Alyx, there is not much happened in case of VR content on Steam.

Not true. We just got Star Wars: Squadrons and Medal of Honor: Above and Beyond over the last several months.

[KarstenS]

Originally posted by temps:

Originally posted by KarstenS:

But all of them can be called "old stuff".

Since Alyx, there is not much happened in case of VR content on Steam.

Not true. We just got Star Wars: Squadrons and Medal of Honor: Above and Beyond over the last several months.

And you would call this "much"?

[nightnight]

Originally posted by KarstenS:

Originally posted by temps:

Not true. We just got Star Wars: Squadrons and Medal of Honor: Above and Beyond over the last several months.

And you would call this "much"?

Star Wars Squadrons is the best VR experience I've tried so far. I'd call it much.

[Xid]

Sort of interesting there is no Review section on the Product Page

Correction: there IS a Review Section...just no reviews...so not one owner decided to review this product... ever?!? hmmm

[Knight Lamune]

Originally posted by DirtyButCAT:

Thanks for convincing me to just stay the hell out of VR completely, it's apparently all overpriced junk.

It's a expensive niche toy for those of us with more money than sense. At this class the headsets are expensive, the computer you need to run it is expensive, the video card you need to drive any decent game is expensive. But if you've already got a killer gaming rig that's no longer an expense. If you get a big check from the Gooberment you've nothing else to spend it on, VR can still be a cool experience. (Though finding a friend who already has this stuff and buying him a pizza is easier.) I think all of my circle that has VR, myself included, has ended up justifying the more active games as a fun way to burn a few calories. (And you'll sweat like a pig with a fegging space heater strapped to your face. I didn't even mention how the Index is so damn hot compared to the other rigs. Though maybe the Chilldex will help with that when it arrives...)

You can still have a great time with an old Rift or original Vive, and I've seen those used for under $300 now.

I actually appreciate the lower priced standalone entries like the Quest 2 in VR. For just crap like Beatsaber, Pistol Whip, or SUPERHOT they'd be amazing; games that aren't incredibly graphically demanding but are still a lot of fun to just pick up and play. Just not the Quest 2 specifically. Whatever gets released to compete with the Quest 2, maybe then... for it's a shame when your toy is account-locked and controlled by borg turbojew data miners that require you to submit a copy of your passport and using your phone to take a 3D scan of your face just to maintain a Faceberg account that can then be banned at a snap of a finger if you dare say something that questions the liberal narrative.