Hate explained

[VaniKa]

Let me explain why some people are so aggressive and why so many hate threads pop up or bad reviews appear.

The discussion is often so uncivil because the people that spew so much hate act out of fear to lose their status as the sole target audience. For decades male players dwelled in an environment that revolved solely around them. That was also promoted by the industry. It was kind of a locker-room environment where men could either talk about women like they weren't present (because they weren't) and the games reflecting this with the depiction of female NPCs or even protagonists (big boobs, half-naked and such) or they could just forget about them altogether while playing or participating in the community. It was a bit like a "male safe-space". And *that* has changed.

It's like the bars that only men were allowed to visit and suddenly women (unaccompanied by men) came by and said "we're here to stay". Look at the outrage when bars first opened up for women because they were forced by law. And with the "arrival" of a certain critical threshold of women in those "locker rooms" these rooms change of course. Games change. And this is exactly what some men hate and want to repel. They don't want to accept the fact that women are part of the community as well and as such have the same rights to have games that cater equally to them. It's obvious that games have to change for that. Only male protagonists or very sexualized female protagonists or NPCs have to go. And as these men feel to lose their former privileges as the center of attention and complete freedom in sexualizing and objectifying women in games they get angry and afraid. And because it's not just a development in games but in the whole society they see that they can't stop it. They feel powerless while what they once had is now taken away piece by piece. That induces hate.

They get furious and violent. Of course they won't admit that. If you have a very emotional problem with something you rarely talk to your "enemies" about the fear and powerlessness you experience. No, you try to justify your emotions with seemingly rational points. You try to make the changes look like an "agenda" by a group that wants to make society (or games) worse. You talk about "only 1 % women in gaming" so you can say that "the majority doesn't want this". And of course you mix this with arguments that are valid in a way, like focusing on "this is the story about a certain guy". While some points are valid they are also often just used as a fig leaf to cover up the real reasoning behind it and of course to simply increase the number of points you bring to the table. But basically it boils down to "women out of our spaces and back into the kitchen where you belong."

It's important to make a clear distinction between misogynists or people who simply don't want to give up their privileges and people with fair points. The people who do review bombing and constantly spam this forum with their hatespeech or troll intentions should not be seen as people with legitimate claims. They use these tactics to make it look like "everybody hates this game" to coerce the company to backpedal and not do it again. Also they want to make an example to discourage other companies from doing a similar thing. It's bully tactics. "Get woke, go broke" is what they want to establish as a fact so things revert back to how they were before they started to change.

[Peter Matt]

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

Nguyên văn bởi Terroristhawk:

I would love to play games with women. Male gamers want more female gamers. The OP is crap and wrong.

The OP is an obvious troll. Private profile with 0 level. Obvious dummy profile made to have a laugh at our expense. I wouldn't be surprised if the paragraphs they typed are copy-pasta.

He/she is not a troll, there are many valid points in what is written there.

This text above me you wrote trying to list reasons why this is a bad game or a bad Wolfenstein game is no different than what most people are spewing out in the forums, and coming from experience and from my own opinion on the game far from the truth, just like what you list is your opinion on it, not a universal truth everyone should follow, and whatever you state as OBJECTIVE isn´t objective at all, it all falls down into the opinion realm, nothing more, and I can easily debunk some misinformation you are listing.

I´ve played all Wolfenstein games. All of them, and that includes Wolfenstein and return to castle wolfenstein from 1981 and 1984 respectively. They have tried changing Wolfenstein formula over the years, this isn´t nothing new. The first 2 games were stealth games, not always "fast-paced high risk" FPS games they are now. I have no clue what you mean by poor performance. I have the game installed on my 2 gaming PC´s, one of them a budget PC with i3 processor, 16 GB of RAM and GTX 960 4GB and at 1080p resolution and everything on ultra and high settings it runs at silky smooth 60fps with no slowdown. This is budget PC and runs the game this way. On my high end machine with i9, 32 GB ram and GTX 2080 ti, I play the game at 4k resolution without so much as a hiccup. If you have performance issues, something must be wrong with your hardware, or something in your PC is interfering with the game. Broken AI has not happened once to me, but I have been playing mostly with a friend, which is how the game is supposed to be played to begin with, no broken AI at all when you co op with a friend, but for the sake of the argument, let´s say you are right.

The story isn´t as bad as most of you preach it is, it boils down to personal preference. I find the twins slightly immature at times, sure, but given the context of the game, it makes sense they are that way. I would prefer a game without micro transactions, no argument from me there. The game however doesn´t force you to use them, and everything in the game can be unlocked without spending one more cent than what you originally payed for the game.

This is a spinoff Wolfenstein game, and I am enjoying it a lot. I always respect people who think differently, but in the case of this game it´s borderline ridiculous the extent some people go to just hate the game, many times without a proper reason for that. In my almost 9 years on Steam, I have never seen a game forum "invaded" by so many using the same arguments (most of them completely invented), and worse a huge percentage hasn´t even played the game and jump on the hate train. It´s fine if you don´t like the game. It´s fine if it isn´t your cup of tea. What is not fine is trying to make everyone who think differently look like they have some sort of problem just because they like a game that you don´t. In the end, it´s all this is, a video game, a very fun and enjoyable one to me, not so much to you. That is fine. To each their own.

[Blvtch]

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

Nguyên văn bởi Blvtch:

I truly don't understand why this spin-off wouldn't be a Wolfenstein game. They try something different. Microtransactions are avoidables (but we're okay it's stupid). Personnaly, I finished the end of the game with a IA at hardest difficulty 'cause my teammate had a problem with it's connection. The thing is, if you want to play alone, you have to play smart and well, but it's doable. This isn't "objectively" a bad game. You don't like it that's ok, but don't try to put your opinions as a standard. It's doen't work that way. Creators decide what they do with their licence and you are just a player who like it or not. Look the debate about Sekiro's accessibility... Again, I defended what FromSoftware did because it was its decision.
The argument of numbers to evaluate a game, a film, an album... is broken. Lot of people are conditionned by the cultural industries and a lot of them wanted always the same patterns again and again. If someone changes the core of what they like, they think it no longer belongs to a saga, a serie...
Look the industry, always the same pattern in movies, music... I prefer to try something new, something that is a little bit different than the same old games I already loved. Why ? Because they will still be there. If I want to play Doom 2016, Deus Ex,... I just have to install them and enjoy them again ! :)
Personnaly, I don't want to play the same type of games all my life. I love the past of video games, but I also love the present of it. I try to stay open to new concepts and not become like a parent who tell his children : "The 'music' you love is not music at all". I prefer to avoid this kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ judgement. Finally, I let a chance to this Wolfenstein and for it's price, I've got 20 hours perfectly fine. Not perfect we're ok, but fine :)

Good post. Actually talking about the game. Well. I'll try to break it down for you as a Wolfenstein veteran.

A. The first reason for which it's an absolutely AWFUL wolfenstein game is that is has nothing on the wolfenstein gameplay. The RPG elements are only slowing the action down and are poorly thought out. Or, should I say, very well thought out, to force the playerbase to invest into micro transactions.

Wolfenstein is a fast-paced, big risk, big reward game. YB has nothing of that. Enemies are bullet sponges. Some weapons are completely useless on some enemies. This is more like Borderlands. Nothing to do with Wolf.

B. Of course, playing a bad game is doable. Look at the likes of Haze for example. That game is a trainwreck worse than this one. Is it unbeatable? Not by any margin. Is it immersive, fun and well paced? Not by any margin. You can compensate for dumb AI, because you, the player, are smarter either way. But when you have to compensate for a broken AI, that's poor game design. Poor game design = bad game.

C. It IS objectively a bad WOLFENSTEIN game. And, arguably, a bad game overall. For the following reasons: poorly optimized (performance is abysmal), poorly coded (AI is dumber than Quake 3 AI. And that's saying something.), poorly written story (flat, unlikable characters, B-lister villains), microtransactions in a SINGLE PLAYER game. All of these are OBJECTIVELY bad things.

D. I never brought up numbers. As such this argument is irrelevant in our discussion. But for the sake of completness, I'll adress it either way. Like it or not, the majority makes things work. It's just how it works. If the majority is saying the game has serious issues, the game isn't going to do so good. But I didn't bring it up because commercial success =/= mechanical success. But since you did bring it up, then yes, this game is objectively a failure both mechanically and financially.

E. Diversity in material. If you want to play a different game, then it's as simple as buying a different game. The whole reason sagas and series exist is because there is a common point between all the instalments. If the devs wanted to try something different, sure, why not. But why name it Wolfenstein, if it's clearly not wolfenstein? The answer: to ride on the name's popularity.


P.S.: Don't worry about your english. At least you're willing to have discussion about the actual game as opposed to politics. I understand you just fine. Good post friend.

I think we forgot to separate Bethesda on a side and Machine Games / Arkane on the other. To be clear : a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ stuff like microtransactions are, imo, the fault of the first.

For the example of fast-paced as the previous Wolfenstein, I honnestly found New Order and New Colossus too scenaristic. The hub in New Colossus and the long cutscenes doesn't fit to me (I prefer Doom for AAA fps of last years).

For the writting aspects, I honnestly don't look at this to evaluate a Wolfenstein game. It's always poorly written. The must was BJ got his head off, then saved by the Resistance. I always laugh like a madman when I saw it. It's worst than the worst movie, but still Wolfenstein 'cause the ironic power of one man to destroy an army is a stereotype that we can enjoy as it's totally ludicrous :P I did all Wolfeinstein games (I just tried the first one 'cause I was too young) and even in the 3D, you have to kill Hitler in a robot armor haha. What I want to say it's that the "offset" tone of YB doesn't bother me a lot.

On the gameplay changes, like bullet sponges ennemies, I would say sure it's not perfect, but it's a choice I understand when I take the all game. It's understable, but not perfect for sure...

For IA, the problem is huge. What I'd like to say is : do the game with a buddy, use your buddy pass with your friend's list or let your lobby open. It's really a coop game and it was designed for this :/

I will not say a bad game, I would say a medium one (13/20), but it's just my opinion :)

[CFW Magic]

Nguyên văn bởi Peter Matt:

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

The OP is an obvious troll. Private profile with 0 level. Obvious dummy profile made to have a laugh at our expense. I wouldn't be surprised if the paragraphs they typed are copy-pasta.

He/she is not a troll, there are many valid points in what is written there.

This text above me you wrote trying to list reasons why this is a bad game or a bad Wolfenstein game is no different than what most people are spewing out in the forums, and coming from experience and from my own opinion on the game far from the truth, just like what you list is your opinion on it, not a universal truth everyone should follow, and whatever you state as OBJECTIVE isn´t objective at all, it all falls down into the opinion realm, nothing more, and I can easily debunk some misinformation you are listing.

I´ve played all Wolfenstein games. All of them, and that includes Wolfenstein and return to castle wolfenstein from 1981 and 1984 respectively. They have tried changing Wolfenstein formula over the years, this isn´t nothing new. The first 2 games were stealth games, not always "fast-paced high risk" FPS games they are now. I have no clue what you mean by poor performance. I have the game installed on my 2 gaming PC´s, one of them a budget PC with i3 processor, 16 GB of RAM and GTX 960 4GB and at 1080p resolution and everything on ultra and high settings it runs at silky smooth 60fps with no slowdown. This is budget PC and runs the game this way. On my high end machine with i9, 32 GB ram and GTX 2080 tI, I play the game at 4k resolution without so much as a hiccup. If you have performance issues, something must be wrong with your hardware, or something in your PC is interfering with the game. Broken AI has not happened once to me, but I have been playing mostly with a friend, which is how the game is supposed to be played to begin with, no broken AI at all when you co op with a friend, but for the sake of the argument, let´s say you are right.

The story isn´t as bad as most of you preach it is, it boils down to personal preference. I find the twins slightly immature at times, sure, but given the context of the game, it makes sense they are that way. I would prefer a game without micro transactions, no argument from me there. The game however doesn´t force you to use them, and everything in the game can be unlocked without spending one more cent than what you originally payed for the game.

This is a spinoff Wolfenstein game, and I am enjoying it a lot. I always respect people who think differently, but in the case of this game it´s borderline ridiculous the extent some people go to just hate the game, many times without a proper reason for that. In my almost 9 years on Steam, I have never seen a game forum "invaded" by so many using the same arguments (most of them completely invented), and worse a huge percentage hasn´t even played the game and jump on the hate train. It´s fine if you don´t like the game. It´s fine if it isn´t your cup of tea. What is not fine is trying to make everyone who think differently look like they have some sort of problem just because they like a game that you don´t. In the end, it´s all this is, a video game, a very fun and enjoyable one to me, not so much to you. That is fine. To each their own.

Except it IS objective. Because the game IS poorly optimized (specifically for AMD processors). It is a FACT. The AI IS poorly written. It is a fact. Microtransactions ARE present in a single player game. It is a fact. RPG mechanics slow the gameplay to a crawl and enemies are bullet sponges, whereas Wolf series is supposed to be a fast paced, big risk big reward game. YB is NOT that. All of these are OBJECTIVELY bad points. So yes. Wolfenstein YB is OBJECTIVELY a bad wolfenstein game. If it didn't have the wolfenstein name in it, it would be mediocre. But as a wolfenstein game, it's bad. Objectively. Because all the points I have just listed to you, you can see it for yourself. Either play the game or spectate anybody who streams it. Bad game design isn't opinion. It's fact. Thus. It's OBJECTIVELY a bad game.

Now, you enjoying it is SUBJECTIVE. YB being objectively a bad game doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable. I enjoy System Shock 2, and it's objectively at least mediocre. If not outright unfinished and bad, without any mods. But I still enjoy it. Because subjectively, I find it fun. But objectively, it's still a poorly balanced game.

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P.S.: I said it before, I'll say it again. "Hate" is a strong word. I don't hate this game. I'm alarmed by it. It's a Bethesda cashgrab. If anything, I'm sad that one of the games I grew up with now looks and plays nothing like itself. It's a borderlands bugfest with a space-nazi theme.

[CFW Magic]

Nguyên văn bởi Blvtch:

I will not say a bad game, I would say a medium one (13/20), but it's just my opinion :)

See, here's the thing, I agree with you that on it's own, it's just a mediocre game. It's meh. But as a wolfenstein game, it's a bad game. If it was named something different, it would just be another quick AAA cash grab. But they named it Wolfenstein. And it is NOT Wolfenstein. That's why I specified that it's a bad WOLFENSTEIN game.

[Blvtch]

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

Nguyên văn bởi Blvtch:

I will not say a bad game, I would say a medium one (13/20), but it's just my opinion :)

See, here's the thing, I agree with you that on it's own, it's just a mediocre game. It's meh. But as a wolfenstein game, it's a bad game. If it was named something different, it would just be another quick AAA cash grab. But they named it Wolfenstein. And it is NOT Wolfenstein. That's why I specified that it's a bad WOLFENSTEIN game.

We'll cannot be ok on all the points :) I told what I want and hear the problems you have with this game, which is perfectly understundable. I don't know why but I was thinking about "Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines", which is good AND bad at the same time. In the case, thanks to the community for saving him. It's the kind of game I don't launch anymore, but that I love (to make the link between "objectivity vs subjectivity").

[VaniKa]

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

You're so deep into politics that I haven't even heard you mention gameplay. I haven't heard you adress the broken AI. The micro-transactions. The poor optimization. The "bug as a feature" stuff like no pause menu. The unfitting RPG mechanics which should be in a borderlands game and not Wolfenstein.

That is your opinion. I had fun with the game and don't have a problem with any of those points. It runs flawlessly on my system. Not a single bug or performance issue on my i5/2060 system. The microtransactions are not worth mentioning. Completely unecessary because you can buy them all for ingame coins (which you receive plenty) and they aren't even that great to be a must-have. Also, I played solo and the AI has performed very well, not like a human of course, so no telling where to go for example, but it never hindered gameplay for me and was always a help. And as I like games like Far Cry or Destiny I actually enjoyed leveling up and distributing skill points. But as I said, this is all a matter of opinion. I can guess that some people don't like RPG mechanics in a shooter and I guess that some people have technical issues and bugs. But that's also quite normal in newly released games.

And please, stop telling me what I am, what I do or what doesn't go together all the time. I'm not your strawman (or strawwoman).

[Malker]

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

Nguyên văn bởi VaniKa:

Can't someone be both? Isn't this merely a cheap try to discredit someone? I do this *because* I love gaming and I actually love this game.

It isn't newly created as you can see now. The reason why my profile is (was) private (and will be again) is because it's of nobody's concern what I play, what friends I have, which groups I'm a member of or where I live. This is especially important in times where people stalk you and make death or rape threats. And the more you know privately about me and the more you can use it to make ad-hominem statements that have no place in a discussion.

A. Sure, on your own private time, yeah. But those two don't intersect. Because right now, you're doing exactly the same thing as the people you accuse are doing. They're complaining about the game and in your mind, without giving it due justice. But you're doing exactly the same thing. You prioritize your activism instead of prioritizing the game. You can be both if you know when to draw a line.

And you drew the line. You decided to be an activist first and a gamer second. As for discrediting ... I don't think it discredits you. Your statements may be sound. On a POLITICAL platform. But as a gamer, excuse me, but I don't give a damn about your politics. Or theirs for that reason. I want to game. I don't want to be an identitarian, a racist, an extremist or whatever the hell these people and you are. It's not what I play games for.

You need to outshout them. To stand out. To "expose". Sure. Have fun. But then, if you care more about politics than game quality, you're not a gamer first. Just as them, you'll be ready to throw the game under the bus if it suits your political argument. Again. I'm not saying it discredits you. I'm saying I don't give a damn. And neither does anybody who prioritizes gaming over politics.



I apologize for having assumed about your profile and I thus stand corrected. But my previous point still stands. I don't care if you're a woman. I don't care what political spectrum you adhere to. I don't WANT to know. You can't be both a gamer and an activist because the two are on the opposite sides. Gaming brings people together. Politics divides people. I won't be arguing with potential friends and fellow players. I want to play. Not to debate politics.

If I wanted to do that (and I sometimes do), I go to appropriate platforms, instead of yapping about it in a steam forum. Because the time it takes you to argue and fight with idiots (while achieving nothing), is the time which would've been better spent thinking of ways to better this seriously underwhelming game instead.

You're so deep into politics that I haven't even heard you mention gameplay. I haven't heard you adress the broken AI. The micro-transactions. The poor optimization. The "bug as a feature" stuff like no pause menu. The unfitting RPG mechanics which should be in a borderlands game and not Wolfenstein.

Only thing you address is political arguments. You're a politician first. And you occasionally dabble into games. That's how your approach makes you sound and look. And I don't like and don't care about politicians. I care about gamers.

This is nonsense. Movies can entertain and they can explain. Same goes for music books and also games. If you want pure hedonism. Go play those Games there are plenty out there. Also Wolfenstein is shallow. But this game series decided to go political since 1983. The topic is about Nazis. Nazi is the german shortcut for National Socialist. They could have chosen purple green jelly bugs from Out of space and made a Game about that. But that is Not the case
. Gaming is one of the newest media. And it is evolving constantly. I'm into gaming for decades now and while I worry about some directions where this Hobby is heading I embrace changes.

If you don't go forward you go backwards and I see some individuals in this very forum who like going backwards and are in struggle with reality. And they make others responsible for their issues. That is the easiest and infantile way to 'solve' a conflict.

[Septic]

Nguyên văn bởi VaniKa:

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

You're so deep into politics that I haven't even heard you mention gameplay. I haven't heard you adress the broken AI. The micro-transactions. The poor optimization. The "bug as a feature" stuff like no pause menu. The unfitting RPG mechanics which should be in a borderlands game and not Wolfenstein.

That is your opinion. I had fun with the game and don't have a problem with any of those points. It runs flawlessly on my system. Not a single bug or performance issue on my i5/2060 system. The microtransactions are not worth mentioning. Completely unecessary because you can buy them all for ingame coins (which you receive plenty) and they aren't even that great to be a must-have. Also, I played solo and the AI has performed very well, not like a human of course, so no telling where to go for example, but it never hindered gameplay for me and was always a help. And as I like games like Far Cry or Destiny I actually enjoyed leveling up and distributing skill points. But as I said, this is all a matter of opinion. I can guess that some people don't like RPG mechanics in a shooter and I guess that some people have technical issues and bugs. But that's also quite normal in newly released games.

And please, stop telling me what I am, what I do or what doesn't go together all the time. I'm not your strawman (or strawwoman).

If the mtx in YB are unecessary and not worth mentioning then the question is really why did Bethesda choose to add them in the first place?

[CFW Magic]

Nguyên văn bởi VaniKa:

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

You're so deep into politics that I haven't even heard you mention gameplay. I haven't heard you adress the broken AI. The micro-transactions. The poor optimization. The "bug as a feature" stuff like no pause menu. The unfitting RPG mechanics which should be in a borderlands game and not Wolfenstein.

That is your opinion. I had fun with the game and don't have a problem with any of those points. It runs flawlessly on my system. Not a single bug or performance issue on my i5/2060 system. The microtransactions are not worth mentioning. Completely unecessary because you can buy them all for ingame coins (which you receive plenty) and they aren't even that great to be a must-have. Also, I played solo and the AI has performed very well, not like a human of course, so no telling where to go for example, but it never hindered gameplay for me and was always a help. And as I like games like Far Cry or Destiny I actually enjoyed leveling up and distributing skill points. But as I said, this is all a matter of opinion. I can guess that some people don't like RPG mechanics in a shooter and I guess that some people have technical issues and bugs. But that's also quite normal in newly released games.

And please, stop telling me what I am, what I do or what doesn't go together all the time. I'm not your strawman (or strawwomen).

You seem to have no problem using strawmen yourself, claiming that people are sexists and bigots while they point out mechanical problems with the game. Yet you raise your hands when the same is done to you. Noted.

Anyway, on to your points.

As noted above, the game is poorly optimized for AMD chipsets. Intel ones don't seem to have such issues.

Next, if the microtransactions are un-necessary, why are they in the game in the first place? To bait people into them. If they weren't necessary, they wouldn't be in the game. But they are.

Next, I don't know what game you played, but the AI is abysmal. Do I need to link you a compilation video of YB's stupid AI? A crown example is AI rushing to it's death into shots and getting killed so you have the pleasure to restart the level.

Next, there's no problem with you liking Far Cry or Destiny. But this is Wolfenstein. I wouldn't have problem with them doing something different, if it wasn't Wolfenstein. What would you say if your favorite Far Cry or Destiny game radically changed it's game mechanics and suddenly became a board game?

I quite like RPG mechanics in shooters. As I have mentionned with System Shock 2 for example. The problem is that those don't belong in a WOLFENSTEIN game.

Last but not least. If you're going to start accusing me of strawmanning, then I'll just point you to your own statements. Calling people sexist and bigot over complaints about the mechanical side of the game.

If you don't want to be seen as a political extremist and identitarian fanatic, don't act like one. I tell you what I see, nothing more. It's how you display yourself. If you're not a political fanatic, then don't act like one and I won't treat you like one.

But if I see a bird which looks like chicken, smells like chicken and tastes like chicken, I'll call it a chicken. As I have mentionned before, you're free to go on your little cruisades, "exposing" people. And I am free to call you out on it as well. Or should you be the only person who has the right to call others out? If you're going to play double standards, then we can end this discussion here.

[CFW Magic]

Nguyên văn bởi Malker:

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

A. Sure, on your own private time, yeah. But those two don't intersect. Because right now, you're doing exactly the same thing as the people you accuse are doing. They're complaining about the game and in your mind, without giving it due justice. But you're doing exactly the same thing. You prioritize your activism instead of prioritizing the game. You can be both if you know when to draw a line.

And you drew the line. You decided to be an activist first and a gamer second. As for discrediting ... I don't think it discredits you. Your statements may be sound. On a POLITICAL platform. But as a gamer, excuse me, but I don't give a damn about your politics. Or theirs for that reason. I want to game. I don't want to be an identitarian, a racist, an extremist or whatever the hell these people and you are. It's not what I play games for.

You need to outshout them. To stand out. To "expose". Sure. Have fun. But then, if you care more about politics than game quality, you're not a gamer first. Just as them, you'll be ready to throw the game under the bus if it suits your political argument. Again. I'm not saying it discredits you. I'm saying I don't give a damn. And neither does anybody who prioritizes gaming over politics.



I apologize for having assumed about your profile and I thus stand corrected. But my previous point still stands. I don't care if you're a woman. I don't care what political spectrum you adhere to. I don't WANT to know. You can't be both a gamer and an activist because the two are on the opposite sides. Gaming brings people together. Politics divides people. I won't be arguing with potential friends and fellow players. I want to play. Not to debate politics.

If I wanted to do that (and I sometimes do), I go to appropriate platforms, instead of yapping about it in a steam forum. Because the time it takes you to argue and fight with idiots (while achieving nothing), is the time which would've been better spent thinking of ways to better this seriously underwhelming game instead.

You're so deep into politics that I haven't even heard you mention gameplay. I haven't heard you adress the broken AI. The micro-transactions. The poor optimization. The "bug as a feature" stuff like no pause menu. The unfitting RPG mechanics which should be in a borderlands game and not Wolfenstein.

Only thing you address is political arguments. You're a politician first. And you occasionally dabble into games. That's how your approach makes you sound and look. And I don't like and don't care about politicians. I care about gamers.

This is nonsense. Movies can entertain and they can explain. Same goes for music books and also games. If you want pure hedonism. Go play those Games there are plenty out there. Also Wolfenstein is shallow. But this game series decided to go political since 1983. The topic is about Nazis. Nazi is the german shortcut for National Socialist. They could have chosen purple green jelly bugs from Out of space and made a Game about that. But that is Not the case
. Gaming is one of the newest media. And it is evolving constantly. I'm into gaming for decades now and while I worry about some directions where this Hobby is heading I embrace changes.

If you don't go forward you go backwards and I see some individuals in this very forum who like going backwards and are in struggle with reality. And they make others responsible for their issues. That is the easiest and infantile way to 'solve' a conflict.

Except Wolfenstein has never been about Nazi politics. It has always been about COMBAT against nazis. In fact, the disclaimer in the game itself CLEARLY states that it's a fictional setting which has no link to reality. So no, real world politics have nothing to do with Wolfenstein. And certainly not identitarian politics about females, diversity or whatever nonsense both the feminists and anti-feminists are claiming.

The characters being female is not important in any shape or form. Them being poorly written is another story. If they were male, but still behaved like rabid children, they'd be criticised just as much, if not more.

[Peter Matt]

@CFM Magic

Not quoting that reply, would be a huge post. I´m not going to argue the same points over and over, but what you are saying as objectively bad is not the case at all. Bullet sponge enemies are that way because you are not using the weapon intended for that enemy to die faster or simply not high level enough to engage them. That is a gameplay mechanic tied up to the rpg elements you dislike. RPG elements don´t slow the game down to a crawl at all, takes literally seconds to see what skills you want to upgrade, however I do understand why some people dislike it. Micro transactions aren´t good, we agree with that point.

Bad game design? Poor AI? So many people have finished the game with AI companion and had no issues with the AI. Bad game design is very far from the truth as well. The Arkane/Dishonored influence in the levels is very clear, and not liking that design and calling it bad are two different things. All the points you list I have experienced, and I have never encountered any bugs in the game at all like you keep mentioning, and not only me, a lot of people haven´t experienced bugs at all. And Like I mentioned to you before, Wolfenstein hasn´t been always an FPS game. 15 of my friends are playing on AMD processors, and never complained of performance issues. Not saying they aren´t there, but if 15 people from FX to Ryzen processors are enjoying the game with top notch performance from my friends list, makes me think the issue isn´t as widespread as you make it seem. Hopefully if there are people having issues like that, they get resolved.

Say and use objectively all you want. I don´t find a single of your reasons as objective, like you don´t find mine. In the end, that´s ok. It´s how you feel about it. Don´t like the game, it´s your right and your opinion, just move on into playing what you like.

[VaniKa]

Nguyên văn bởi Septic:

If the mtx in YB are unecessary and not worth mentioning then the question is really why did Bethesda choose to add them in the first place?

I have no clue actually. I assume it has just been an order from the management and they simply obeyed in a half-assed way because they knew it was nonsense in that game. Boss is happy, employees not fired and we can just ignore it.

[CFW Magic]

Nguyên văn bởi Peter Matt:

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Well. Let us agree to disagree then. Bullet sponges and RPG mechanics slowing the game down to a crawl is still an objective point in my eyes, simply because previous Wolfenstein games allows you to quickly dispatch enemies without the extra steps. It's all about raw action, aim and speed. Not about numbers and levels.

And again, I underline, it's a bad WOLFENSTEIN game. By itself, it's just mediocre and broken. But as a Wolfenstein, it has nothing to do with the series. Wolfenstein used to be a top-down, MGS like stealth based game. But it was NEVER an RPG game. And it should have never been. Wolfenstein isn't Borderlands. It isn't Dishonored. It's lost it's identity.

As for poor optimization ... Our sources are different then. I don't know a single person who runs and AMD processer who gets a consistent, smooth 60+ framerate. Not a single one.

But enough. We'll agree to disagree indeed. If you like the game and think it's alright, it's your right and your opinion. Unfortunately, the vast majority is having these same well documented problems that I have told you about. So I stand firm in my belief that it is objectively a bad Wolfenstein game.

Still. I thank you for a civil discussion, even if we came to a disagreement. It's good to actually discuss game mechanics instead of political nonsense. Thanks mate.

One love. Respect.

[Peter Matt]

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

Nguyên văn bởi Peter Matt:

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Well. Let us agree to disagree then. Bullet sponges and RPG mechanics slowing the game down to a crawl is still an objective point in my eyes, simply because previous Wolfenstein games allows you to quickly dispatch enemies without the extra steps. It's all about raw action, aim and speed. Not about numbers and levels.

And again, I underline, it's a bad WOLFENSTEIN game. By itself, it's just mediocre and broken. But as a Wolfenstein, it has nothing to do with the series. Wolfenstein used to be a top-down, MGS like stealth based game. But it was NEVER an RPG game. And it should have never been. Wolfenstein isn't Borderlands. It isn't Dishonored. It's lost it's identity.

As for poor optimization ... Our sources are different then. I don't know a single person who runs and AMD processer who gets a consistent, smooth 60+ framerate. Not a single one.

But enough. We'll agree to disagree indeed. If you like the game and think it's alright, it's your right and your opinion. Unfortunately, the vast majority is having these same well documented problems that I have told you about. So I stand firm in my belief that it is objectively a bad Wolfenstein game.

Still. I thank you for a civil discussion, even if we came to a disagreement. It's good to actually discuss game mechanics instead of political nonsense. Thanks mate.

One love. Respect.

I always appreciate a discussion, if it´s civilized, like it was the case. I thank you as well for the overall attitude. There will always be people on opposite ends, the key for me is mutual respect and being mature about it.

Cheers.

[Malker]

Nguyên văn bởi CFW Magic:

Nguyên văn bởi Malker:

This is nonsense. Movies can entertain and they can explain. Same goes for music books and also games. If you want pure hedonism. Go play those Games there are plenty out there. Also Wolfenstein is shallow. But this game series decided to go political since 1983. The topic is about Nazis. Nazi is the german shortcut for National Socialist. They could have chosen purple green jelly bugs from Out of space and made a Game about that. But that is Not the case
. Gaming is one of the newest media. And it is evolving constantly. I'm into gaming for decades now and while I worry about some directions where this Hobby is heading I embrace changes.

If you don't go forward you go backwards and I see some individuals in this very forum who like going backwards and are in struggle with reality. And they make others responsible for their issues. That is the easiest and infantile way to 'solve' a conflict.

Except Wolfenstein has never been about Nazi politics. It has always been about COMBAT against nazis. In fact, the disclaimer in the game itself CLEARLY states that it's a fictional setting which has no link to reality. So no, real world politics have nothing to do with Wolfenstein. And certainly not identitarian politics about females.

You go into combat because of the Nazis politics. If they had not done anything there was no reason to fight them would there? History is based on politics. Your freedom to play games and your participation in this discussion is based on politics. Ask the people in china of what they can say and play or not. So please don't downplay the influence of politics. Because that's what the haters here do. They are using the hard earned freedom fought by their forefathers for their restrictive Agenda.