Wow. Really nothing changed.

[Gilver Redgrave]

Played the game again after years of not playing and i am dissapointed really.

First of all Sega really forces me to download over 100 GB PSO2 data just so i can use all my stuff in NGS (Music Discs,Fashion etc) and for thati need to download the ENTIRE PSO2 game.

Second i log in and right aways get +90 Weapons and Units which allows me to run all content right away unless its story locked......what are you people exactly farming for honest question because right now i dont know what i am supposed to farm for.

And what the hell are all those new crafting materials ? My Bank is full do i need all materials or can i toss away something ? Like the Ice Cubes and Blizzarium ?

And who ever had the glorious idea to make Gunblades melee auto attack its counter aswell.....uhhh i can write what i wish that person. Was it so hard giving the Gunblade a "switch" to change between melee and range like in the base game ? Did the melee and range auto attack really need to be 2 seperate abilitys ?



Rant over.
Now hate me on it.

[Didaibr]

Escrito originalmente por based:

There is also no need to settle for a 2% increase. Setting yourself on fire nets you +6.08% here, is BiS, and the opposite process of lifestealing.
https://pso2na.arks-visiphone.com/wiki/Portal:New_Genesis/List_of_Augments#EX_Augments

why the 0.08%?
I still think lively hp + stealth wall + dazzle Camouflage to get a +15,5% potency increase is better for a non-solo quest!

[based]

Escrito originalmente por Didaibr:

why the 0.08%?
I still think lively hp + stealth wall + dazzle Camouflage to get a +15,5% potency increase is better for a non-solo quest!

The numbers are multiplicative (even within the same description). 1.04 x 1.02 = 1.0608.

A low HP, on fire setup beats out the one you mentioned (which btw is +16.44% and still decent) in sheer potency, but swapping out Shortage HP for Endure Pain now lets you fire PBs off cooldown which is a crazy gain in itself and where the fun begins. It also works regardless of whether you are alone or in a party.

[Gilver Redgrave]

Escrito originalmente por based:

No imagination needed, this is the Liberate's potential:
+ Increase Critical Hit Rate by 20% and increase damage by 23%. Decrease PP consumption by 15%.

And this is a Kaizaar's:
+ Potency +32%; Critical Hit Rate +10%. PP Consumption -10%. Photon Blast Gauge Charge when attacking +20%.

Where is the +15% counter damage ?

Also using a video with the argument "he is the fastest" after i literally said the only difference between those weapons is min-maxing is kinda pointless dont you think ? Of course youre faster with min-maxed gear then someone who didnt bother thats not an argument its simple logic.

And i am very sure we both know that Global isnt really into that Speedrunning and top time stuff. Never was. Global is more about efficency. And no. Putting hours or even days (worst case months) into your min-maxed gear is not efficent because your run is now 1 minute faster. When you need 100 hours to get your gear completely maxed out you need one hell alot of 1 minute faster runs to even out the time you lost min-maxing.

Some people really need to learn what min-maxing actually is. Its not just the last few percentages more it can literally be a whole weapon series. You can run and beat everything with Liberate just a bit slower. Hence why alot of people didnt bother. I also got Klauz for my main class only i didnt bother getting another one for any other class back then. Why would i ?

[based]

Escrito originalmente por Gilver Redgrave:

Where is the +15% counter damage ?

Zilch, but here are a couple reasons why that makes sense in this game's context:

It only applies to one weapon. A katana is just a katana in base, it can afford to have katana-only effects on it. In NGS, a katana is often also a bow, or whatever else, and multiweapon is essential for basically every class except Waker. Weapon-exclusive potentials screw over one of your weapons, and weapon-exclusive affixes require you to commit two slots to the business while one of them is dead no matter which weapon you use unless they start designing EXs that target all of a class's weapon, and this comes with its own issues such as locking you even harder into an "intended" playstyle, and reducing the value of your loot because it is a dud for 9 out of 10 classes.

More importantly, there are some players that are, to put it mildly, mindbroken by the existence of counters in this game. No, not anyone in this thread. I'm talking about obsessive levels of seethe. +15% on a counter would unironically make this forum a more habitable place to discuss this game and this is not an exaggeration.

Well yes, since we're talking about BEST-in-slot of course someone would look up the fastest car in the world and see if it's using those parts and not something else. Also yes, contrary to its name people don't go for speed records to "save time". But when it comes to minmaxing to save time, obviously people would math out whether the X-minutes-less runs they are doing with their gear will pay off the initial investment, and skip the series that look like bait. Since these are not the ones who typically complain about not having money it looks like they were correct in their judgment.

You can beat most things with a Liberate (not sure about HTPD and the final depths for some classes; need to see it being done), but it is worth getting at least the final weapon series in the game because there are no more rugs for Sega to pull from underneath you. Even though I don't write the most flattering things about PSO2, I ended up making five Cras weapons and a BiS unit set. This was indeed overkill for most of the content but at the same time, I wasn't doing it for power, just looking for an excuse to play the game.

And it was this window in Ep.6 and the April-July period of this year where I had fun and some peace of mind with this game. Not sure about the transitional limbo we are in now. I say transitional because the "final boss" is here, and it will be followed with either an Ep.4 or "that"

[(Farkon) 2m_anylootboxes]

Still really annoyed that we don't have a separate inventory for pso2 stuff, every time I want to go back, I get stopped by the fking inventory management.

[zero254]

NGS sucks at it's core so it'll never be good which is why it fell off so fast.

[Gilver Redgrave]

Escrito originalmente por based:

and multiweapon is essential for basically every class except Waker.

As a strict Bow only Braver i politely disagree.

Escrito originalmente por based:

Well yes, since we're talking about BEST-in-slot of course someone would look up the fastest car in the world and see if it's using those parts and not something else. Also yes, contrary to its name people don't go for speed records to "save time". But when it comes to minmaxing to save time, obviously people would math out whether the X-minutes-less runs they are doing with their gear will pay off the initial investment, and skip the series that look like bait. Since these are not the ones who typically complain about not having money it looks like they were correct in their judgment.

That being said "best in slot" doesnt have the same meaning in a different context. Best in slot in a "competitive" scene is different from best in slot for stricly "PvE". For PvE best in slot is what lets you finish the content as soon as possible. That way you also farm for the new chase gear much sooner and you have more money on hand because you didnt waste in on min maxing. And competitive best in slot doesnt really need to be explained its pretty much what everyone here takes that term for. Bigger numbers and faster times. Irrelevant for PvE players tho.

Escrito originalmente por <c=FFFF8200>Farkon</c>:

Still really annoyed that we don't have a separate inventory for pso2 stuff, every time I want to go back, I get stopped by the fking inventory management.

Pretty sure we have a 50 slot PSO2 inventory.

[(Farkon) 2m_anylootboxes]

Escrito originalmente por Gilver Redgrave:

Escrito originalmente por based:

and multiweapon is essential for basically every class except Waker.

As a strict Bow only Braver i politely disagree.

Escrito originalmente por based:

Well yes, since we're talking about BEST-in-slot of course someone would look up the fastest car in the world and see if it's using those parts and not something else. Also yes, contrary to its name people don't go for speed records to "save time". But when it comes to minmaxing to save time, obviously people would math out whether the X-minutes-less runs they are doing with their gear will pay off the initial investment, and skip the series that look like bait. Since these are not the ones who typically complain about not having money it looks like they were correct in their judgment.

That being said "best in slot" doesnt have the same meaning in a different context. Best in slot in a "competitive" scene is different from best in slot for stricly "PvE". For PvE best in slot is what lets you finish the content as soon as possible. That way you also farm for the new chase gear much sooner and you have more money on hand because you didnt waste in on min maxing. And competitive best in slot doesnt really need to be explained its pretty much what everyone here takes that term for. Bigger numbers and faster times. Irrelevant for PvE players tho.

Escrito originalmente por <c=FFFF8200>Farkon</c>:

Still really annoyed that we don't have a separate inventory for pso2 stuff, every time I want to go back, I get stopped by the fking inventory management.

Pretty sure we have a 50 slot PSO2 inventory.

Was it added in at some point? Also 50 slots isn't enough for all the crap they give you in PSO2 lol.

[Gilver Redgrave]

Escrito originalmente por <c=FFFF8200>Farkon</c>:

Was it added in at some point? Also 50 slots isn't enough for all the crap they give you in PSO2 lol.

I believe that was always there. Its your regular PSO2 Storage.

[Didaibr]

Escrito originalmente por Gilver Redgrave:

Was it added in at some point? Also 50 slots isn't enough for all the crap they give you in PSO2 lol.

I believe that was always there. Its your regular PSO2 Storage. [/quote]

I think you are confusing your invetory, my invetory is only 50 in PSO2, I cant access my PSO2 inventory while Im playing NGS

[Gilver Redgrave]

Escrito originalmente por Didaibr:

I think you are confusing your invetory, my invetory is only 50 in PSO2, I cant access my PSO2 inventory while Im playing NGS

Ah yes. It says inventory.
I forgot that NGS lets you manage your Inventorys and your Bank from anywhere. Kinda stupid tho that the PSO2 inventory is listed when we cant actually do anything with it while in NGS.

[based]

You can view your PSO2 inventory and take things out of it via the terminals in town (it's the extra option at the bottom of the Storages list) but that's the extent of that feature.

If you're not going to be playing PSO2 much then popping Material Storage and selecting the Batch move option from a terminal will dump all the old mats there. Then maybe put the rest in Premium or Extended Storage when you have the chance.

[Null_User]

As storage for f2p, our best options are material storage and extended storage 1. Both are sold (pretty much rented) for SG as tickets on the SG shop, so we will have to farm SG to keep up access. And by access I mean, whatever gets stored there will be accessible to take out even if the rental period expires. Expired only means we can't add more things until more tickets are bought.

I currently don't know if non premium accounts can activate material auto storage (in the game's options) by just having the materials folder active. But if it can be enabled, that's a bonus to having it.

[(Farkon) 2m_anylootboxes]

I don't mind paying for storage like I do in path of exile 1 and 2, but RENT? Ugh, no thanks.

[N/A]

Escrito originalmente por Milhiore:

Be careful with what you say or the 2k people who still plays it will get mad at you.

One thousand and trending down constantly.

Anyway at this point i'm convinced nothing NGS does will matter because people will always hate it for not being PSO2 base even though it's right there. Don't worry though, in addition to the game EOS you will lose base PSO2 and any sort of Phantasy Star content for years if not forever.

Now act like every problem you have with the game isn't something that has been a thing since base PSO2 or just a ridiculous nitpick.

Why are the steam forums like this? It's almost as if people stir up pointless drama and arguments for the sake of having something to rail against... it's bizarre.