is this better than PSO1

[Actias Luna]

Like title says, how much better is this than the first that released on gamecube ps3 xbox back in the day?

[khopdub77]

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Name one big online game on console that came prior to PSO. And don't say Dragon's Dream: it was japanese exclusive.

PSO was pretty well known when it came out on the Dreamcast (although it gained more popularity once it got on the GameCube, Xbox and PC), I see plenty of TV ads and game show talking about it.


Hell the original Phantasy Star tetralogy on the Master System and Genesis have a cult following.

Yeah, there also were many ads about Sega Saturn and it imploded.
As I've said, what is good remains alive even when time passes.
It started something? Perhaps, but it was soon outdone. It opened a door and it didn't excel at it and was left behind.
Take Breath of the Wild for example, many attempted to clone it yet none surpassed it.
Same as FromSoft Soulsgames. Many try to clone it and fail.
PSO1? Started console online gaming and was replaced by everything else after it.

I will have to disagree a little. What's good does not always last. That's life.

The problem with the Sega Saturn was that the World was not ready to go from Cartridge to CD's. CD's were expensive and problematic while Cartridges were reliable and cheap. That's all it was. Nintendo64 stuck with Cartridge, Sega went with CDs and they lost the console war. Sega once again innovative it's demise. They did the same with Sega Genesis CD and the Dreamcast. Dreamcast was first console to go online and compete with a huge online PC market. Playstation2 stayed offline and Sega lost another console war because the World was not ready for online Consoles. The only thing that kept them alive was there complete dominance in the Arcade rooms around the world. Than broadband hits and the Arcades are gone and so is Sega for 20 years.

Point is Sega makes fun to play games.

[khopdub77]

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It was called Phantasy Star Online. Please explain to me how Gamecube and Xbox had an online game when niether console was able to go online. Ill wait. BTW i had them both too.

Gamecube used broadband/modem adapter to go online. Xbox was able to go online, Halo was the one that popularized online shooter on console.

Sorry sir. No it was not. Not when they first released. I had them both. The Original xbox was not online at launch. I used to have 4 man halo parties at my house. 4 controllers 4 split screens. An adapter was sold for broadband connection 2 years later. Same with Gamecube. 4 man parties play Goldeneye 007. Please Sir/Maam you can't tell me.

[khopdub77]

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It was called Phantasy Star Online. Please explain to me how Gamecube and Xbox had an online game when niether console was able to go online. Ill wait. BTW i had them both too.

The game was release on the Dreamcast on 9/9/1999. I remember, I was there. I stood in line 8 hours at Best Buy. I bought the Dreamcast, PSO and the very first NBA2K. So please dont tell me.

And who are all these people you talking about? Online communication wasn't even really a thing back than. So your making that up too.

Back to the game. I do agree it was a good game, but was a game of its time. NGS combat is faster and more precise. The graphics are better. Internet connection is way better. The dreamcast used dial up with up to 56K connection. At the time that was speed now a days that's laughable. Your saying a 2000 BMW is better than a 2020 BMW that's insane. Come on man. Most if not all things get better with better technology, that's life. I know your hate for NGS is very real, but atleast you could do is be realistic.

As both the Xbox, and Gamecube DID have online functionality( I personally remember staying up 24 hours straight playing the game with friends in my teens over the internet) perhaps you'd care to do your research next time. Even before those consoles the sega dreamcast had internet access. Lastly consider this: if pso didn't have online play capability, why would it have been so popular to have been released on 5 different SKUs(Sega Dreamcast,Nintendo Gamecube, Sony Playstation 2 and Microsoft Xbox) , and why are there still unofficial server maintained to this day(my favorites the ephinea private server)

you need to do your research. Did you just say Playstation had online. LMAO. when? As for the Gamecube and Xbox these had adapters for broadband that came out like 2 years after release. These were not out of the box online capable consoles like the Dreamcast. So the game was ported over much later and it's popularity had been died out and so had the Dreamcast. Swallowed up by the playstation2.

[PrawiSucia]

Publicado originalmente por khopdub77:

Sorry sir. No it was not. Not when they first released. I had them both. The Original xbox was not online at launch. I used to have 4 man halo parties at my house. 4 controllers 4 split screens. An adapter was sold for broadband connection 2 years later. Same with Gamecube. 4 man parties play Goldeneye 007. Please Sir/Maam you can't tell me.

Well, you asked for explanation. So I explained. The specific of when those consoles could go online doesn't matter, because your demand of explanation did not specify things.

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you need to do your research. Did you just say Playstation had online. LMAO. .

Playstation 2 had online capability too. FFXI, the first FF online game, was released on PS2.

[khopdub77]

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Sorry sir. No it was not. Not when they first released. I had them both. The Original xbox was not online at launch. I used to have 4 man halo parties at my house. 4 controllers 4 split screens. An adapter was sold for broadband connection 2 years later. Same with Gamecube. 4 man parties play Goldeneye 007. Please Sir/Maam you can't tell me.

Well, you asked for explanation. So I explained. The specific of when those consoles could go online doesn't matter, because your demand of explanation did not specify things.

Publicado originalmente por khopdub77:

you need to do your research. Did you just say Playstation had online. LMAO. .

Playstation 2 had online capability too. FFXI, the first FF online game, was released on PS2.

I played PSO when it was first released on the Dreamcast. That's where my experience came with the game. If you played a ported version years after the original release than your experience is vastly different than mine.

Oh, i missed read. I thought he said playstation. The playstation2 which came out a year or two after the dreamcast, did have online. It was a terrible online experience but it did have it.

Again the game was fun for its time. NGS is a better game. ijs

[PrawiSucia]

Publicado originalmente por khopdub77:

I played PSO when it was first released on the Dreamcast. That's where my experience came with the game. If you played a ported version years after the original release than your experience is vastly different than mine.

Oh, i missed read. I thought he said playstation. The playstation2 which came out a year or two after the dreamcast, did have online. It was a terrible online experience but it did have it.

Again the game was fun for its time. NGS is a better game. ijs

Of course my experience is vastly different than yours because I never play PSO1. The oldest Phantasy Star game I've played was only the one on sega genesis.

[Ikagura]

The GameCube had Online capabilities, of course only for a few games (including PSO episode 1&2, Episode 1&2 Plus, Card Revolution and Homeland) https://youtu.be/GVwDTru_rgc

Very underrated RPG on that console too (Chunsoft were great).

[khopdub77]

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I played PSO when it was first released on the Dreamcast. That's where my experience came with the game. If you played a ported version years after the original release than your experience is vastly different than mine.

Oh, i missed read. I thought he said playstation. The playstation2 which came out a year or two after the dreamcast, did have online. It was a terrible online experience but it did have it.

Again the game was fun for its time. NGS is a better game. ijs

Of course my experience is vastly different than yours because I never play PSO1. The oldest Phantasy Star game I've played was only the one on sega genesis.

lol. I was just responding to the thread. My favorite was PSU on the xbox360.

[PrawiSucia]

Publicado originalmente por khopdub77:

lol. I was just responding to the thread. My favorite was PSU on the xbox360.

lol ok. I thought you were talking to me because you were quoting my reply.

[khopdub77]

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lol. I was just responding to the thread. My favorite was PSU on the xbox360.

lol ok. I thought you were talking to me because you were quoting my reply.

I was responding to you. My point was that PSO was a good game, not my favorite in the franchise, but it was descent. NGS is better. Refering to the title of the Thread.

PSU is my favorite. Is it better than NGS? No. Was it a more complete and diverse game? yes.

There's something up with NGS. Something weird. This isn't the Sega I've known. I will stay patient for now.

[Syn]

Gameplaywise:

PSO2NGS > PSU > PSO1 > PSO2

Storywise:

PSU > PSO1 > PSO2 > The Room > A blank page with drool on it > PSO2NGS

[Ikagura]

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Gameplaywise:

PSO2NGS > PSU > PSO1 > PSO2

Storywise:

PSU > PSO1 > PSO2 > The Room > A blank page with drool on it > PSO2NGS

PSU's story was kinda dumb.

[Syn]

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Gameplaywise:

PSO2NGS > PSU > PSO1 > PSO2

Storywise:

PSU > PSO1 > PSO2 > The Room > A blank page with drool on it > PSO2NGS

PSU's story was kinda dumb.

Not really. It was silly at times sure, but the worldbuilding was great, delvcing into many interesting concepts.
And while a secondary plot, it's one of the few sci fi stories that handles AI and the tech singularity in an intelligent manner.
I'm also considering the PSP games as part of the overall story.