Survivalist: Invisible Strain

Survivalist: Invisible Strain

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aplethoraof Apr 13, 2021 @ 9:39pm
Join NPC Communities
Can we (the player) join NPC communities? Or is this a planned feature if not present, perhaps?
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Darkon Apr 14, 2021 @ 11:34am 
I think it isn't possible, at least for now, you can only create your own, "steal" people from NPCs communities or trade with them.
bunny de fluff Apr 15, 2021 @ 7:29am 
This feature, if implemented, will change this game into a whole different game lmao.
aplethoraof Apr 15, 2021 @ 9:24am 
Originally posted by bunny de fluff:
This feature, if implemented, will change this game into a whole different game lmao.

Not really. The sandbox "goal" of 'get 50% of the living populace" into your community can still hold true.

Though, I suppose it would necessitate the creation of a faction "hierarchy" that the player can climb through (using the quest and reputation systems). That wouldn't need to be anything too complex.

I guess one big thing would be giving NPCs the ability to "demand" the player do a task for the community or face a reputation loss. Though that has off-potential too, for example the player could do be taken prisoner and forced to do tasks as an alternative to death by raider - or the player could do tasks instead of paying gold to looters.

It open the door for interesting possibilities. For example, getting "elected" out of your own faction leadership position, getting "marooned" out of your faction for failing to meet their needs consistently.

Basically - it would be the same game IMO, but it would require that inter-faction politics be more refined than they are now for it to succeed.
Last edited by aplethoraof; Apr 15, 2021 @ 9:24am
bunny de fluff Apr 15, 2021 @ 10:54pm 
It would become a cheaper and simpler survivalist mount and blade.
aplethoraof Apr 16, 2021 @ 11:04am 
Not really. M&B is more focused on faction-to-faction relations, with an emphasis on war. Bannerlord I suppose has a bit of person-to-person relations, but that isn't really managing social relations and more-so just a number to determine how many troops you can hire from them.

M&B's everything is focused around war (you can do other stuff, but all of its elements come cleanly together when played as a politics-for-war's-sake simulator).

This game is more like Rimworld - focused on interpersonal relationships and less on inter-faction warfare.

Even if faction mechanics got expanded, its focus would still be keyed on person-to-person drama. Just the drama would be expanded by allowing players to influence communities, help build communities, etcetera.

So no. . .I doubt it would fill the same niche as Mount and Blade. They are two very different games.

What it WOULD allow for is things like:
-Setting up your tent in a community (this should likely be dependant on how much the community likes you or for how long you've been reliably helping them).
-Using community buildings (again, dependant on how long you've been helping them).
-Contribute to the growth of NPC communities, by finding resources for buildings that the NPCs can then build (NPCs could tell you what their current material needs are, then you could choose to help meet them - either for gold or for relationship points. Similar to how they do now for living needs - medicine and food).
---Like I mentioned before, this could be leveraged for looters as well. Instead of paying gold to stay in a looter camp, you could contribute to the camp instead.
-Maybe if the player stops helping for too long, the community decides that the player isn't pulling their weight and might kick them out (they can still come in to trade, but they can't sleep in the camp).

I think that kind of thing would be very in-line for this game, and it would certainly offer more choice as to how one can go about achieving their goals.
Darkon Apr 16, 2021 @ 11:35am 
Well...improve relationship with looter/raider camps and other NPCs, inside and outside your community, would be nice.
Rabble Apr 18, 2021 @ 10:44am 
do you even have to have your own community?
Can you just roam the map, trade and survive by your lonesome?
aplethoraof Apr 18, 2021 @ 10:49am 
Originally posted by Rabble:
do you even have to have your own community?
Can you just roam the map, trade and survive by your lonesome?

You can, yeah. You can also create a nomadic community (GL containing the invisible strain though :D).

Though the "goal" of the game is to recruit 50% of the living pop.
Originally posted by aplethoraof:
Originally posted by Rabble:
do you even have to have your own community?
Can you just roam the map, trade and survive by your lonesome?

You can, yeah. You can also create a nomadic community (GL containing the invisible strain though :D).

Though the "goal" of the game is to recruit 50% of the living pop.
eliminate 100% of the living pop*
Darkon Apr 18, 2021 @ 11:01am 
Originally posted by Red riding hood the third:
eliminate 100% of the living pop*

Hmmm....this is....an interesting plot twist...
Chilli Dog Dave Apr 18, 2021 @ 8:33pm 
Originally posted by Set:
Originally posted by Red riding hood the third:
eliminate 100% of the living pop*

Hmmm....this is....an interesting plot twist...
cant be outnumbered if theres nobody left :)

but to the point of the post, im hoping its on the radar, in an apocalyptic story telling people banding together out of need is pretty normal, eventually people would kill off or band together enough to create huge communities, and eventually a full blown county.

basically if an apocalyptic community story telling style game like this couldnt allow you to play the role of another survivor while the NPC's do what the player would do it would lose some bonus points for being unique.
one thing no other survival game i'v ever come across allows you to join a community and go with how the game tells the story rather than you dictating all the growth and story telling.
sometimes playing "soldier" instead of "hero" can be way more fun :)
if Survivalist allows us to go down the path of following the NPC's semi randomly progressed story rather than the players "leadership" in my eyes it would be one of THE most unique survival games out there, not to say its bad, on contrary i like the direction its going but the ability to be apart of the world rather than you controlling the world would be a massive feature in my eyes.
Vuyek Apr 19, 2021 @ 11:22am 
"Though, I suppose it would necessitate the creation of a faction "hierarchy" that the player can climb through (using the quest and reputation systems). "

Sounds awesome, but very very ambitious.
aplethoraof Apr 19, 2021 @ 11:54am 
Originally posted by Vuyek:
"Though, I suppose it would necessitate the creation of a faction "hierarchy" that the player can climb through (using the quest and reputation systems). "

Sounds awesome, but very very ambitious.

You could use the pre-existing systems. Say your reputation with a town/community = the average of your reputations with everyone.

The higher your reputation, the more you can do (harvesting, using buildings, etcetera).

When you take things, your reputation lowers with everyone, after 8 in game hours.
When you put things into storage, your reputation raises with everyone, after 8 in game hours.

The loss and raising of reputation from items could come from the value of the item. An item worth 1 gold gives 1 reputation with everyone, an item worth 50 gold gives 50 reputation with everyone.

So, you take seeds and lose reputation. But you plant them, get carrots, and put 1/2 the carrots in. Reputation improves slightly, because carrots are worth more than carrot seeds.

Perhaps the ability to build within NPC bases could be based on reputation as well. Higher reputation = ability to build more buildings.

Once you get a very high reputation, maybe you can issue some light orders. After you get a high enough reputation, you can ask people to make you the leader. If more than 70% agree, you get nominated the leader and the current leader (along with anyone who disagreed) suffers a morale loss.

The same could happen with your own base. Maybe if you don't tend to the needs of people for too long (days) or have too low of a reputation with your own community, they can hold an election. If the NPC gets 70% of the votes, they take control of your faction.
Vuyek Apr 19, 2021 @ 2:44pm 
I am all for these mechanics to be implemented.
aplethoraof Apr 19, 2021 @ 7:04pm 
Originally posted by kevinebowman:
It sounds better than it would be. The camps are unexciting and fickle. Imagine having a tribe that you could not control, would get pissed at you for take supplies, will die off in winter, 90% of them only ever stand around, ext. really all you would be gaining is the ability to steal their stuff and sleep in their beds. not that it would be a bad thing, just that there are better places for Bob to devote his energy.
gaining enough trust that they will let you sleep in their beds and let you store stuff in their base could be a cool thing for a perspective nomadic player.

Yeah. Really, the most useful features (in the current game build) would be setting up your tents within the walls of a camp and using their campfires to cook. That allows you to more easily be a "vagrant" - which is a pretty fun playstyle IMO.

I think it wouldn't be too bad, but the NPCs need a wider range of motions for it to be really fun. They need to be able to take in refugees, build more buildings/expand their walls, etc etc. As well as fight with others for territory.

Main problem is (imo) their food, water, and sleep needs are met by being in camp. They rarely go out to scavenge. I think if they went out to maybe scavenge for alcohol or more materials, that would be good. The player could accompany/lead scavenging parties, help them fight rivals for scavenging rights, etc..

Like. . .for example, if they could take in refugees - that means they need to scavenge for materials to expand the camp. Which means they send out scavenging parties, which means they encounter other camp's NPCs (and the player) - as well as other zombies. Which then dynamically creates entertainment.

NPCs die, NPC communities replace fallen members, NPC communities grow to hate and like other communities depending on how they treat each-other. . .that is the kind of potential I see in this game. And I sort of thing that is close to where the dev is going with this game, at-least from what I've observed during my play time. Right now, communities do these kinds of things inside themselves - but inter-community relations isn't really a thing.

Just my 2 cents.
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