Too few jade/topaz coins in minigames

[Duskton]

Is it just me or does it feel like you earn a very small amount of coins in the topaz/jade trees? like selling the rip-off pokemon, regardless of level, nets me ZERO coins or just one! Is something wrong?

[Odande]

Jade is gained through playing arenas. Each round beat in an arena gets you like 8k+ each round so thats how you get Jade

I'm not that far in the game but it looks like topaz is gained majority through main level completion and achievements. So Jade looks like its something youre meant to grind out in a shorter amount of time but I *think* topaz is meant to be a gradual reward

[Duskton]

A better way to phrase my question is, It seems that the "Coin value" perk in the skill tree doesn't affect jade coins collected in the minigame you spend them in, this also apples to the topaz tree.

[Shadow_Actual]

Originally posted by Duskton:

A better way to phrase my question is, It seems that the "Coin value" perk in the skill tree doesn't affect jade coins collected in the minigame you spend them in, this also apples to the topaz tree.

No, it doesn't. Dunno why, it'd make the grind significantly less frustrating. Of course, I suppose that the dev wouldn't want to make it too quick, either. Maybe make the Coin Value boosts apply half their effect to jade coins? I dunno, I'm not a dev.

[Odande]

Originally posted by Duskton:

A better way to phrase my question is, It seems that the "Coin value" perk in the skill tree doesn't affect jade coins collected in the minigame you spend them in, this also apples to the topaz tree.

Coin value affects coins only... Jade and Topaz arent coins.

Gold=Coins
Topaz + Jade =/ Coins

[SynthGal]

The topaz tree is for several playthroughs of NG+. You get jade from arena fights. You're not supposed to earn topaz solely through the minigame.

[We.Are.Simulated]

The Jade coin system in Arenas is absolutely terrible. I have to grind and grind and grind to get all those upgrade, with just one map every time? Does it even change?

I have unlocked a TON of stuff and I still have tens of thousands to get. The 3rd level scanner is 45000!! That is insane.

I don't want to have to spend THAT much time on Arenas. It is fun but I want to progress through the regular game. They did not balance this very well. You should be able to earn good amounts of Jade coins playing the regular game as well.

[Odande]

Originally posted by We.Are.Simulated:

The Jade coin system in Arenas is absolutely terrible. I have to grind and grind and grind to get all those upgrade, with just one map every time? Does it even change?

I have unlocked a TON of stuff and I still have tens of thousands to get. The 3rd level scanner is 45000!! That is insane.

I don't want to have to spend THAT much time on Arenas. It is fun but I want to progress through the regular game. They did not balance this very well. You should be able to earn good amounts of Jade coins playing the regular game as well.

each round gets you 10k jade, so after 4 and a half levels you can get that upgrade. Not sure why you think the grinding is terrible. I can get 100,000 in less than 20 mins from Arena. I did this just moments before this post

Are you buying coin upgrades? Thats pretty important too

EDIT: Thanks for the Steam points from the jester reward lol. If you have an actual argument feel free to say it. But like I said, you get 10k each round. If each level takes 3 or less minutes (depending on your guns I guess) that means you can get more than 30k in 10 minutes... seems pretty fair to me fam idk. Especially since the first 4 stations ive been to the most expensive upgrade I have seen in Zone 1-4 was 20k while others were 6k.

[The_Pastmaster]

Originally posted by Duskton:

Is it just me or does it feel like you earn a very small amount of coins in the topaz/jade trees? like selling the rip-off pokemon, regardless of level, nets me ZERO coins or just one! Is something wrong?

I restarted from scratch and you unlock the Topaz Tree very early in the game. I think this is intended as you earn Topaz as you complete each level of the "standard" game.

[aris.indulens]

Not sure at what level you get that much jade. I'm stuck at 11-19 range which gives 3k jade per level. Most enemies are harmless but the teleporting fireballers always end my run. For me it's faster to grind pirates in zone15 minigame, With mk4 magnetron and mk4 shield it's almost impossible to lose, it is very fast and gives about 3.2k jade on average. Very efficient but also very boring. That stupid minigame song is now permanently stuck in my head.

[We.Are.Simulated]

Originally posted by Odande:

Originally posted by We.Are.Simulated:

The Jade coin system in Arenas is absolutely terrible. I have to grind and grind and grind to get all those upgrade, with just one map every time? Does it even change?

I have unlocked a TON of stuff and I still have tens of thousands to get. The 3rd level scanner is 45000!! That is insane.

I don't want to have to spend THAT much time on Arenas. It is fun but I want to progress through the regular game. They did not balance this very well. You should be able to earn good amounts of Jade coins playing the regular game as well.

each round gets you 10k jade, so after 4 and a half levels you can get that upgrade. Not sure why you think the grinding is terrible. I can get 100,000 in less than 20 mins from Arena. I did this just moments before this post

Are you buying coin upgrades? Thats pretty important too

I am buying coin upgrades but I have seen others say that this does not work for jade or topaz. I should be able to play the actual game and earn Jade coins. I don't want to spend all that time playing in the same little room over and over again. I want to see all the biomes or whatever you want to call them. How is this so shocking to you? The game already has some repetition, and you think I want to be in the same tiny sewer room just so I can level up my scanner, and then spend 2,000 jade per scan?? It is a bit nuts.

I do not believe it was necessary to make jade coins only earn-able within a separate activity with even less variety than the main game. If you think it is fine then that is good for you I guess. I am just voicing my opinion after quite a number of hours with the game.

[TheJollyJam]

The Topaz tree feels like it's mainly for when you get to newgame+. There are terminals to convert gold and Jade into Topaz with it being something like 10000000 gold for 100 Topaz, which is only an obtainable amount of gold when you have all the gold skill tree upgrades.

Grinding for Jade is actually quite quick if you have good weapons and choose the Graveyard map (which has plenty of space and weak enough enemies to combo quickly for more Jade). You actually net more Jade the more consecutive rounds you play in one sitting, I was getting about 50000 per round completion about 10 rounds in, which seems to be the cap. It only took a few 1 hour attempts to have enough to buy most Jade upgrades.

I may not be had to grind so much as I have always prioritised gold and treasure upgrades first and then went back to buy up the now cheaper upgrades later.

[Odande]

Originally posted by aris.indulens:

Not sure at what level you get that much jade. I'm stuck at 11-19 range which gives 3k jade per level. Most enemies are harmless but the teleporting fireballers always end my run. For me it's faster to grind pirates in zone15 minigame, With mk4 magnetron and mk4 shield it's almost impossible to lose, it is very fast and gives about 3.2k jade on average. Very efficient but also very boring. That stupid minigame song is now permanently stuck in my head.

Are you maxing out skill trees before doign this? I had world 1-3 completely maxed out before I started grinding 8-10k jade per round.

@WeAreSimulated

I dont know man, its not that hard to grind. a 4.5k upgrade takes me 3 or less minutes to get.

[aris.indulens]

Originally posted by Odande:

Are you maxing out skill trees before doign this? I had world 1-3 completely maxed out before I started grinding 8-10k jade per round.

Worlds 1-4 maxed. Was only paying attention to first round, good to know it ramps up with longer sessions, thanks.

Originally posted by TheJollyJam:

Grinding for Jade is actually quite quick if you have good weapons and choose the Graveyard map (which has plenty of space and weak enough enemies to combo quickly for more Jade). You actually net more Jade the more consecutive rounds you play in one sitting, I was getting about 50000 per round completion about 10 rounds in, which seems to be the cap. It only took a few 1 hour attempts to have enough to buy most Jade upgrades.

Thanks for the tip, I only have first 2 unlocked, I'll play some story maps until graveyard is unlocked then.

[davidb11]

The amount of Jade you earn per Arena is also lower if you've done that Arena Round before.
As in, if you've beaten Round 9 and died, the next time you go through, you earn less Jade until you get through the round you died in.

Also, the Sewer Arena is bad.
The Graveyard is the best, or one of the best.

[Duskton]

Why is the Sewer Arena bad?