Frame limiter required (OMD1 and 3)

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

Hi, I know this game is old, but this and "OMD 3" need to limit the frames of the cinematics and the menus to a value set by the player. Every time I go through those 2 I get +1400FPS and the power consumption is increased to the limit.

In the long term this might damage the GPU of the players.

And yes, OMD 3 has an option to limit the FPS, but it doesn't work with the cinematics or the menus either.

[MotherVicar]

not that frame limiting functions arnt nice...though can you not simply set that in the gpu software?

also thinking running a gpu at 100% of its ability does any damage whatsoever is complete nonsense.

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

"though can you not simply set that in the gpu software?" How do you think that I've played the whole game? But it doesn't apply to the menu or cinematics, I don't how they made them, but they aren't recognized as part of the game. It happens the same to orcs must die 3 with their own frame limiter.

"also thinking running a gpu at 100%" I didn't say run the GPU at 100% usage, I said 100% consumption (you can have 100% usage and not having the max consumption), and long term. Yes, it damages the GPU in the long term, it's not something that you're going to notice in the short term, having constant peaks from 100w to 420w is not good. This and the third game consume more power than AAA games at max settings due to an optimization issue.

While playing the third game the GPU goes from 40-45º and 25% fans at max settings, to 85º and fans to 90% in the menu.

[MotherVicar]

Originally posted by Konjiki no Inazuma:

"though can you not simply set that in the gpu software?" How do you think that I've played the whole game? But it doesn't apply to the menu or cinematics, I don't how they made them, but they aren't recognized as part of the game. It happens the same to orcs must die 3 with their own frame limiter.

"also thinking running a gpu at 100%" I didn't say run the GPU at 100% usage, I said 100% consumption (you can have 100% usage and not having the max consumption), and long term. Yes, it damages the GPU in the long term, it's not something that you're going to notice in the short term, having constant peaks from 100w to 420w is not good. This and the third game consume more power than AAA games at max settings due to an optimization issue.

While playing the third game the GPU goes from 40-45º and 25% fans at max settings, to 85º and fans to 90% in the menu.

yeah and its build for that...it can do that because it CAN do that, its like saying you dont want to drive your car at 60 miles and hour because that damages it in the long term...heck will you never buy a future 1000 hz monitor because if how that might push the gpu past your arbitrary limit?


its made to operate in those parameters which is why those are available to it.
If you want to push a gpu to dangerous territory you would have to do custom volt mods or bioses etc, otherwise its impossible.


oh also before anyone gets the wrong idea, im totally with OP that frames should be able to be limited, this is not at all to take away from that request, im fully in favor of it.

[Schaox]

Go to Setting / Graphic and V-Sync = ON

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

Originally posted by IFearSnowman:

Originally posted by Konjiki no Inazuma:

"though can you not simply set that in the gpu software?" How do you think that I've played the whole game? But it doesn't apply to the menu or cinematics, I don't how they made them, but they aren't recognized as part of the game. It happens the same to orcs must die 3 with their own frame limiter.

"also thinking running a gpu at 100%" I didn't say run the GPU at 100% usage, I said 100% consumption (you can have 100% usage and not having the max consumption), and long term. Yes, it damages the GPU in the long term, it's not something that you're going to notice in the short term, having constant peaks from 100w to 420w is not good. This and the third game consume more power than AAA games at max settings due to an optimization issue.

While playing the third game the GPU goes from 40-45º and 25% fans at max settings, to 85º and fans to 90% in the menu.

yeah and its build for that...it can do that because it CAN do that, its like saying you dont want to drive your car at 60 miles and hour because that damages it in the long term...heck will you never buy a future 1000 hz monitor because if how that might push the gpu past your arbitrary limit?


its made to operate in those parameters which is why those are available to it.
If you want to push a gpu to dangerous territory you would have to do custom volt mods or bioses etc, otherwise its impossible.


oh also before anyone gets the wrong idea, im totally with OP that frames should be able to be limited, this is not at all to take away from that request, im fully in favor of it.

Dude, a game of 2011 uses more power than an actual game with ray-tracing due an optimization issue. Also that something is able to reach a certain value doesn't mean that it's good to reach it, "its like saying you dont want to drive your car at 60 miles and hour because that damages it in the long term" do you drive your car at max speed all the time...? Your mechanic must be rich at this point because pushing to the limit something always just because "it can" will damage it faster. There's no justification to do it with a game that isn't offering anything to use all that power. If I want to force the GPU I do it with a game that has options to offer something, like using ray-tracing and the image quality at 200% in resident evil 2 remake.

"If you want to push a gpu to dangerous territory you would have to do custom volt mods or bioses etc, otherwise its impossible." Tell that to asus and their motherboards or to intel and their 14th gen.

I understand what you're trying to say, but it just doesn't make sense that it's done due an optimization issue. I will use the example you made of the car, imagine the manufacturer made a mistake and the car uses 30L of fuel when it should be using 3L for the same route because it's overworking due that factory defect.

It's very strange that a game makes the GPU use the max consumption, if it does it's more likely due a problem like this that it's telling to the GPU "Just work at much as you can, it doesn't matter if the player isn't seeing those 1400FPS because he's using a 144-360hz display". Also the cinematics are static images, not even an animation where it could make more sense XD.

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

Originally posted by Schaox:

Go to Setting / Graphic and V-Sync = ON

Actually, yes, but that adds more delay and it would be better if the game could do it without V-Sync. But yes I guess it's a way to patch the issue.

[MotherVicar]

Originally posted by Konjiki no Inazuma:

Originally posted by IFearSnowman:

Dude, a game of 2011 uses more power than an actual game with ray-tracing due an optimization issue. Also that something is able to reach a certain value doesn't mean that it's good to reach it, "its like saying you dont want to drive your car at 60 miles and hour because that damages it in the long term" do you drive your car at max speed all the time...? Your mechanic must be rich at this point because pushing to the limit something always just because "it can" will damage it faster. There's no justification to do it with a game that isn't offering anything to use all that power. If I want to force the GPU I do it with a game that has options to offer something, like using ray-tracing and the image quality at 200% in resident evil 2 remake.

"If you want to push a gpu to dangerous territory you would have to do custom volt mods or bioses etc, otherwise its impossible." Tell that to asus and their motherboards or to intel and their 14th gen.

I understand what you're trying to say, but it just doesn't make sense that it's done due an optimization issue. I will use the example you made of the car, imagine the manufacturer made a mistake and the car uses 30L of fuel when it should be using 3L for the same route because it's overworking due that factory defect.

It's very strange that a game makes the GPU use the max consumption, if it does it's more likely due a problem like this that it's telling to the GPU "Just work at much as you can, it doesn't matter if the player isn't seeing those 1400FPS because he's using a 144-360hz display". Also the cinematics are static images, not even an animation where it could make more sense XD.

Did you miss the part where I said it was made for it?
Do you know why your card uses lets say 300 watts and not 600 watts? because its limited by the manufacturer, it can do 300 watts all day every day, it does not matter.

"Tell that to asus and their motherboards or to intel and their 14th gen." glad to see you are this informed, but then you should also know that that was a manufacturing mistake....someting that normally isnt there because again, its MADE to opperate in certain boundries, Intel dropped the ball on that with the 13 and 14th gen and its big news BECAUSE its not the norm....has any such thing been discovered about your gpu? because if not again then there is nothing to be afraid of.

It uses the amount of power because as you said, there is no limit, so its pushing all the frames your gpu is capable of pushing in that scenario and there is nothing wrong with that from a "damaging your gpu" perspective, its completely wasteful yes but not a danger to the hardware and again, in the (hopefully near) future we want our gpu's to push 1000 frames per second on games when the display market gets to where it is going/needs to be.

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

Originally posted by IFearSnowman:

Originally posted by Konjiki no Inazuma:

Dude, a game of 2011 uses more power than an actual game with ray-tracing due an optimization issue. Also that something is able to reach a certain value doesn't mean that it's good to reach it, "its like saying you dont want to drive your car at 60 miles and hour because that damages it in the long term" do you drive your car at max speed all the time...? Your mechanic must be rich at this point because pushing to the limit something always just because "it can" will damage it faster. There's no justification to do it with a game that isn't offering anything to use all that power. If I want to force the GPU I do it with a game that has options to offer something, like using ray-tracing and the image quality at 200% in resident evil 2 remake.

"If you want to push a gpu to dangerous territory you would have to do custom volt mods or bioses etc, otherwise its impossible." Tell that to asus and their motherboards or to intel and their 14th gen.

I understand what you're trying to say, but it just doesn't make sense that it's done due an optimization issue. I will use the example you made of the car, imagine the manufacturer made a mistake and the car uses 30L of fuel when it should be using 3L for the same route because it's overworking due that factory defect.

It's very strange that a game makes the GPU use the max consumption, if it does it's more likely due a problem like this that it's telling to the GPU "Just work at much as you can, it doesn't matter if the player isn't seeing those 1400FPS because he's using a 144-360hz display". Also the cinematics are static images, not even an animation where it could make more sense XD.

Did you miss the part where I said it was made for it?
Do you know why your card uses lets say 300 watts and not 600 watts? because its limited by the manufacturer, it can do 300 watts all day every day, it does not matter.

"Tell that to asus and their motherboards or to intel and their 14th gen." glad to see you are this informed, but then you should also know that that was a manufacturing mistake....someting that normally isnt there because again, its MADE to opperate in certain boundries, Intel dropped the ball on that with the 13 and 14th gen and its big news BECAUSE its not the norm....has any such thing been discovered about your gpu? because if not again then there is nothing to be afraid of.

It uses the amount of power because as you said, there is no limit, so its pushing all the frames your gpu is capable of pushing in that scenario and there is nothing wrong with that from a "damaging your gpu" perspective, its completely wasteful yes but not a danger to the hardware and again, in the (hopefully near) future we want our gpu's to push 1000 frames per second on games when the display market gets to where it is going/needs to be.

Nope "Also that something is able to reach a certain value doesn't mean that it's good to reach it"

[Maginera]

if you got an nvidia gpu you literally have a setting in the control panel to set a framerate limit ( i got a 165hz screen so i put a 165 max fps)

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

Originally posted by Maginera:

if you got an nvidia gpu you literally have a setting in the control panel to set a framerate limit ( i got a 165hz screen so i put a 165 max fps)

And AMD too, but it doesn't work with cinematics and the menu (it happens with all the games of OMD). The only solution is to enable v-sync like Schaox said.

Well the second is even more strange, I played it with a friend and the FPS limit they set for the game seems to be 60, but it goes up in some maps??? And it's the only game that doesn't have the issue of the unlimited fps in the menu and cinematics...

I wish they fix the issues with the first 3 games because the problem seems to be related in all of them, some setting they set wrong or something like that.

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

It doesn't work with the frame limiter of nvidia, amd, or their own fps limiter in the 3rd game. The new game has the same issue too. They have been doing something wrong for 14 years.

[maxell86qld]

Not sure if you have created a user.cfg file. It is required to reduce the frame rate in OMD1 an 2.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/102600/discussions/0/591759753520115218/

Set frame rate cap

Go to the configuration file location.
Open user.cfg with a text editor.
Add new line Forcefps=XX and replace XX with desired value.
Save the changes.

I put 60 FPS in to play co-op with less problems. But if you intent to play solo, pick a number under 120 FPS.

For OMD2 & 3 games, try from full window, to windowed to full window to full screen to windowed. Or something like that from memory helps with most of the menus and cut-scenes and co-op games.

Or use the user.cfg to do it permanently.
Edit user.cfg

Go to the configuration file location.
Open user.cfg with a text editor.
Add new line Window.
Save the changes.

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

Originally posted by maxell86qld:

Not sure if you have created a user.cfg file. It is required to reduce the frame rate in OMD1 an 2.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/102600/discussions/0/591759753520115218/

Set frame rate cap

Go to the configuration file location.
Open user.cfg with a text editor.
Add new line Forcefps=XX and replace XX with desired value.
Save the changes.

I put 60 FPS in to play co-op with less problems. But if you intent to play solo, pick a number under 120 FPS.

For OMD2 & 3 games, try from full window, to windowed to full window to full screen to windowed. Or something like that from memory helps with most of the menus and cut-scenes and co-op games.

Or use the user.cfg to do it permanently.
Edit user.cfg

Go to the configuration file location.
Open user.cfg with a text editor.
Add new line Window.
Save the changes.

I tried it, it doesn't solve the issue I mention.