Fantastic game killed by cash grab

[Draco]

As Tittle What a waste .
Pay for teams pay for items , i think not .
Shame could have been great .

[Dev/Null]

what you moaners and complainers always forget to mention is, that the tabletop game came with two teams. not the many more this game came with. and guess what, you want more teams you have to pay them, for much more then here. every single team. same with dice, and coach areas and cheerleading areas and refs and what not. so it would be really great if you mention that as well.

[Draco]

Rofl best you got m8 the game came with two teams lol .
Get a life i dont mind paying but for every team armour balls cheerleaders dice get real cash grab

[Acastian]

The teams are free if you complete the blood pass. If you would've started from the beginning you would have all the teams for free. Not Cyanide fault.

[Pooltastic]

Originally posted by Acastian:

The teams are free if you complete the blood pass. If you would've started from the beginning you would have all the teams for free. Not Cyanide fault.

That is the most anti-consumer thing I had seen any of you pundits peddle yet. Absolutely disgusting.

[ntuk]

I personally think both sides of argument here have merit. I buy official GW teams for £33 each and sometimes need 2 boxes and some resin models at £25+ each or more, simply to have *one* full complete game, and I am fine with it.

On the other hand, I, like most of the blood bowl community, am a bit older, I won't be buying shoulder pads and such, and I certainly won't be buying any gems, despite being happy to pay for individual teams as DLC packs on steam if they were available, but they are not. Not sure this is great business practice given they would get more money from me if I could simply buy teams via steam. The way it currently is, I will slowly aquire the gems for the teams I am missing but not a penny will be spent on them.

[Acastian]

There should be two ways to purchase teams and cosmetics. There should be bundles in the steam store at a discount. It just seems like cyanide limits their potential sales by keeping everything behind warpstone.

[ntuk]

Originally posted by Acastian:

There should be two ways to purchase teams and cosmetics. There should be bundles in the steam store at a discount. It just seems like cyanide limits their potential sales by keeping everything behind warpstone.

I am guessing it is because it is the new subscription/rental type approach to gaming if it is true that any purchased teams are not available offline (I have never tried it). Game devs everywhere are trying to move to live service instead of DLC, which is fine if your game suit that. I think if you sell stuff via steam it needs to be available offline (?), whereas this approach might allow a plug pull later and force people to the next game and things are lost? Not sure, it won't impact me much anyway, I don't buy in-game currencies for any game.

Shame really, as the game is good, but most blood bowl players would play online with a game that was low graphics, showed a literal tabletop/board, and with static miniature pieces instead of all the fancy animations and stuff. Really, you could argue they should release the game as free to play with 2 complete teams, or maybe cheap-ish (like £5 with 4 teams), and then just sell the teams as steam DLC like blood bowl 2, and most the complaints about monetisation would go away. I recently convinced two friends to try tabletop in the last 6 months and they are now online too. Interestingly, both are like me and won't be buying funny money in game currency, but yet have now put hundreds of pounds into the tabletop game. I am not sure the game publishers realise that the modern approaches of in-game currencies and battle passes might not be the best for a game that has a huge grown adult base with limited interest such an approach, or at least would appreciate the option to just buy teams they want without the pretend currency in-between.

[MagicElmo]

People can just get the game during a sale and then purchase the teams package containing all teams and will have all teams and have spend less than people who bought the game at start when the cosmetics were actually way worse.

[Pooltastic]

Originally posted by MagicElmo:

People can just get the game during a sale and then purchase the teams package containing all teams and will have all teams and have spend less than people who bought the game at start when the cosmetics were actually way worse.

First of all, the fact that you have to even mention the fact that things were worse is a MAJOR RED FLAG to anyone who is interested in investing any time and money into this. As it should be.
Second of all, those bundles are not always available. I'm not sure if you recall, but the whole gimmick of the "store" is to regularly cycle stock. Not to mention that they are only 4 teams each, and half of the currently available one are the stunties.

There is no excuse for the amount of sheer greed on display, ESPECIALLY mixed with the sheer amount of incompetence AND disregard for the playerbase. They know we got nowhere else to go - except, maybe, FUMMBL - and are taking FULL advantage of the fact.

People seem to forget how the BOTCHED Blood Bowl 2 on release. But GUESS WHAT? After TWO YEARS, we had the best damn digital representation of the tabletop to date.

[Ghost from warp]

A) you cant buy any ingame advantage.
B) If you participate in season - you will get new team for free (i played 6-10 matches per week and got amazons in three weeks)
C) still cheaper than tabletop BB

[Pooltastic]

Originally posted by Ghost from warp:

A) you cant buy any ingame advantage.
B) If you participate in season - you will get new team for free (i played 6-10 matches per week and got amazons in three weeks)
C) still cheaper than tabletop BB

A) Access to different mechanical combinations others have not had a chance to deal with before can be seen as having an advantage.
B) 6-10? Brother, I barely get 5, if I'm lucky. It took me half this season to get Amazons. And what about someone jumping into the game even further into the season? Or right at the end? Or what about the season that already passed?
C) ... yeah, ok, no arguing this one. ... except the constant stripping of value from the passes with each passing season. Notice the stadiums and cheerleaders are already gone?

[MagicElmo]

Originally posted by Pooltastic:

Originally posted by MagicElmo:

People can just get the game during a sale and then purchase the teams package containing all teams and will have all teams and have spend less than people who bought the game at start when the cosmetics were actually way worse.

First of all, the fact that you have to even mention the fact that things were worse is a MAJOR RED FLAG to anyone who is interested in investing any time and money into this. As it should be.
Second of all, those bundles are not always available. I'm not sure if you recall, but the whole gimmick of the "store" is to regularly cycle stock. Not to mention that they are only 4 teams each, and half of the currently available one are the stunties.

There is no excuse for the amount of sheer greed on display, ESPECIALLY mixed with the sheer amount of incompetence AND disregard for the playerbase. They know we got nowhere else to go - except, maybe, FUMMBL - and are taking FULL advantage of the fact.

People seem to forget how the BOTCHED Blood Bowl 2 on release. But GUESS WHAT? After TWO YEARS, we had the best damn digital representation of the tabletop to date.

The all Team Bundle is available this whole Season and it was available a lot last season too.
I wouldn't be surprised if it stays available all time now (Cyanide might be listening after all).
By your logic because things were worse people should not buy the game?
So improving things is bad? So people should not buy No Man's Sky because the game was bad at launch?

I am not going to pretend that BB3 is perfect and after the catastrophic launch I only returned to it with Season 6 where for me it started to get better than BB2 (and I did not forget the bad launch of it :) ).

But at the end of the day people have to decide for themselves and most do. They don't listen to me or to you. :)

I usually never buy any ingame stuff, but BB3 is an exception and I get the occasional store offer.
BB is a guilty pleasure of mine and I don't mind supporting Cyanide so they can keep running this game.
There wouldn't be many companies interested in making a BB game, even GW doesn't seem to care much about BB lately with two major events passing and nothing new been presented for BB in a long while (now GW, prove me wrong and present a cool new team 5 minutes after I post this :D ).

[crazy.culture]

That's a headline...
... and in your point of view it must be true for thousends of other games.
Don't want to say "it's good at all" - but this is not uncommon in todays world of computer games. So what's the key?

No pay to win here, no adventages for buyers in gameplay or environment...
It's possible to get content for free by playing. There also are / where free redeem codes for teams.
Each single team is at least available for everyone (which is sometimes not true for other computer games / subscription models / payment formats).
Bundles are (heavily) discounted.
You get a game with nearly unlimited playing time (not true for other computer games).
H*ll, you even get the game without the need to buy a Games Workshop core box...
It's even not the priciest game, nor the priciest content at all.

What do you want?
All things for free. Yeah, would be cool, of course. Remind me please, when i have to pay for my train next time, riding the same route again and again.

[Pooltastic]

Originally posted by MagicElmo:

Originally posted by Pooltastic:

First of all, the fact that you have to even mention the fact that things were worse is a MAJOR RED FLAG to anyone who is interested in investing any time and money into this. As it should be.
Second of all, those bundles are not always available. I'm not sure if you recall, but the whole gimmick of the "store" is to regularly cycle stock. Not to mention that they are only 4 teams each, and half of the currently available one are the stunties.

There is no excuse for the amount of sheer greed on display, ESPECIALLY mixed with the sheer amount of incompetence AND disregard for the playerbase. They know we got nowhere else to go - except, maybe, FUMMBL - and are taking FULL advantage of the fact.

People seem to forget how the BOTCHED Blood Bowl 2 on release. But GUESS WHAT? After TWO YEARS, we had the best damn digital representation of the tabletop to date.

The all Team Bundle is available this whole Season and it was available a lot last season too.
I wouldn't be surprised if it stays available all time now (Cyanide might be listening after all).
By your logic because things were worse people should not buy the game?
So improving things is bad? So people should not buy No Man's Sky because the game was bad at launch?

I am not going to pretend that BB3 is perfect and after the catastrophic launch I only returned to it with Season 6 where for me it started to get better than BB2 (and I did not forget the bad launch of it :) ).

But at the end of the day people have to decide for themselves and most do. They don't listen to me or to you. :)

I usually never buy any ingame stuff, but BB3 is an exception and I get the occasional store offer.
BB is a guilty pleasure of mine and I don't mind supporting Cyanide so they can keep running this game.
There wouldn't be many companies interested in making a BB game, even GW doesn't seem to care much about BB lately with two major events passing and nothing new been presented for BB in a long while (now GW, prove me wrong and present a cool new team 5 minutes after I post this :D ).

It's not "all teams", it's SPECIFICALLY 4 Teams: Necromantic Horror, Goblin, Halfling, and Norse. At least get your facts straight.

Improving in what way? By sluggishly, almost stubbornly, dragging their asses getting the game to a feature complete state? Don't insult either of our intellects.

Otherwise, they are actively making the experience worse. The rotating store? Doesn't belong. The diminishing value battle passes - where slots are taken up by WORDS, F@CK!NG WORDS! - the cut content from which is seeded back into the rotating store?

And I resent, RESENT, that I have to keep supporting this garbage.

Let me be perfectly clear: ANY and ALL enjoyment I glean from this steaming pile of a "product" are the gameplay foundations laid out by Games Workshop. Those are the few actual nuggets of gold in this shiny turd.

P.S.: Games Workshop needs to hurry up and either re-official, or revamp, the Tomb Kings and High Elves.

[Pooltastic]

Originally posted by crazy.culture:

That's a headline...
... and in your point of view it must be true for thousends of other games.
Don't want to say "it's good at all" - but this is not uncommon in todays world of computer games. So what's the key?

No pay to win here, no adventages for buyers in gameplay or environment...
It's possible to get content for free by playing. There also are / where free redeem codes for teams.
Each single team is at least available for everyone (which is sometimes not true for other computer games / subscription models / payment formats).
Bundles are (heavily) discounted.
You get a game with nearly unlimited playing time (not true for other computer games).
H*ll, you even get the game without the need to buy a Games Workshop core box...
It's even not the priciest game, nor the priciest content at all.

What do you want?
All things for free. Yeah, would be cool, of course. Remind me please, when i have to pay for my train next time, riding the same route again and again.

Damn, bro, what kind of scammy, scummy, murky play environment have you crawled out of.
A bad deal is a bad deal.
Not being the downright extremes you listed a better deal this it does not make.