TV with random skills

[Duluth]

Various posts online state that a randomed skill only adds half the team value as a regular skill. Was that changed? I'm new to the game and added a random to my rat ogre (arm bar) but his value still went up to 170,000. I don't want to pay full price for arm bar but it would be decent enough at a discount with prehensile tail.

[VoodooMike]

Cyanide in its infinite wisdom has houseruled the open ladder to make random skills cost the full TV in order to avoid unbalanced teams in the ladder that they imagine might come into being.

[J. Gonzalez]

noticed that as well... don't see why they have to mess with the standard rules tbh...

[Duluth]

That's unfortunate. Tempting to keep him, but probably smarter to put him in the bin

[Eyesight]

Originally posted by Odirse:

noticed that as well... don't see why they have to mess with the standard rules tbh...

They have to , otherwise you fight cheap brokenass team with extra low cost .

If you already hate dwarf , you gonna like it even more when at 1200 TV they already have 20 skill that cost only 10k , fair and balance .
In inifnite ladder , it's to easy to farm cheap skill.

it's just go against what random is suppose to be when you just don't get what you want and fire the player to try it again and unbalance everything even more.

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by Eyesight:

They have to , otherwise you fight cheap brokenass team with extra low cost .

This is a "problem" that exists almost exclusively in some people's imagination. For all that some folks claim "its easy to farm..." we never saw any teams gaining huge TV advantages, and the number of games a team needs to play to even attempt to farm more than one random skill on most players is prohibitive.

This is why the running joke in the community is about "data" - the project lead claimed the decision was data driven, and that he'd elaborate on that as soon as he could... then suddenly found himself very, very "busy" for months on end, and has made himself scarce.

[Eyesight]

You don't need data to understand than farming random skill in infinite ladder isn't healthy for the game.
If it's a short league with only a few match why not but not in infinite ladder , the 1300 TV dwarf top 100 should have tell you something .
You just end up randoming everything just to have cost advantage which is dumb.

[Medic!]

It's just funny because this is a "problem" that could be easily solved with redrafting. You know, that one rule which they "forgot" to implement.

[Breidr]

Originally posted by Medic!:

It's just funny because this is a "problem" that could be easily solved with redrafting. You know, that one rule which they "forgot" to implement.

I really wish this was the case. I want to play teams like Black Orcs, but without random skills it just feels bad. I wish they would just undo the change to random skills.

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by Eyesight:

You don't need data to understand than farming random skill in infinite ladder isn't healthy for the game.

QED. A problem that exists in your imagination. You don't need no stinkin' facts to tell you what you know to be true in your heart, right?

Originally posted by Eyesight:

You just end up randoming everything just to have cost advantage which is dumb.

I wonder, then, why you weren't one of the top 10 players of season 1 given that you've found what you've decided is an obvious method for success under BB2020 rules.

Here's the thing: if something is actually true then the data will support its truth. When people say they don't need data to tell them things, what they really mean is they've decided something is true and facts and evidence aren't going to get in the way of that. That has been the foundation of literally every evil in human history.

The change to random skill costs came in the late-middle of season 2, which means there was plenty of time for the collection of data on the supposed "problem", but nobody has produced even a shred of it. This means the people in charge of making the decisions are using their hearts rather than their heads... and given the state of BB3 as a whole, that hasn't worked out well for anybody.

[Brokenfingers]

I’m unsure how long it would take to give Black Orcs (now Big Un’s) my normal skill choice of block, guard and frenzy randomly?
I’d assume that four players using randomised skills would take quite some time to achieve those precise skills.
Of course as a simpleton and with no data to gauge the result, I guess I’ll never know.
Though I can assume, as much as I love Blood Bowl, it would be longer than the time I’m willing to give to find out.

[Eyesight]

It depend what you want , for black orc going random strenght is probably better since you already have grab and brawler which mean 2 less skill to get on random. Dwarf have the same thing except they start with block and thick skull .

Black orc can actually really benefit by random cost , black orc on strenght and gob on general , you can still try to get a cheap strenght on the troll or going ball and try block/pro.

[Eyesight]

Oh you talk about regular orc?
You can try to random on lineman , hmm can try strenght blitzer or agi .
Mostly strenght on big un.
Troll and gob don't change from black orc.

[Eyesight]

Originally posted by VoodooMike:

Originally posted by Eyesight:

You don't need data to understand than farming random skill in infinite ladder isn't healthy for the game.

QED. A problem that exists in your imagination. You don't need no stinkin' facts to tell you what you know to be true in your heart, right?

Originally posted by Eyesight:

You just end up randoming everything just to have cost advantage which is dumb.

I wonder, then, why you weren't one of the top 10 players of season 1 given that you've found what you've decided is an obvious method for success under BB2020 rules.

Here's the thing: if something is actually true then the data will support its truth. When people say they don't need data to tell them things, what they really mean is they've decided something is true and facts and evidence aren't going to get in the way of that. That has been the foundation of literally every evil in human history.

The change to random skill costs came in the late-middle of season 2, which means there was plenty of time for the collection of data on the supposed "problem", but nobody has produced even a shred of it. This means the people in charge of making the decisions are using their hearts rather than their heads... and given the state of BB3 as a whole, that hasn't worked out well for anybody.

Yeah and the dev are also imagining think , they wouldn't have done that change if that wasn't a problem in the first place.
I stop arguing with you , it's as usefull at throwing a drop of water into a river.

Oh and by the way , i was playing in S1 even with some of the broken stuff , was having issue with stat playing lizard. I just did get fully destroy 1600 SR and was to lazy to redo a full team to try again from scratch.
My team was just kill into a mirror match of unlucky dice , i did win the match just no longer any team to speak of.

I really started abusing TV cheat in S2 when i did realize what that was and the sucess was explosive , 10 match was all i needed to reach top 100.
Before they do their change , i was cheating like 50k TV maybe more.

Oh and by the way , if you hate that change , just don't play in open ladder , problem solve.

[Brokenfingers]

I’m not entirely sure I grasp what you’re saying.
I’m suggesting that ‘farming’ perfect skills on an infinite ladder for all intents and purposes, is almost impossible.
I’m not saying it can’t be done, I’m saying it’s a silly endeavour.

[Eyesight]

Originally posted by Brokenfingers:

I’m not entirely sure I grasp what you’re saying.
I’m suggesting that ‘farming’ perfect skills on an infinite ladder for all intents and purposes, is almost impossible.
I’m not saying it can’t be done, I’m saying it’s a silly endeavour.

It can really be done , you just need time , you get enought cash per match to at least try it on player and fire if that doesn't work , also before they do their change , expensive mistake wasn't here so it was even more easy when you have 1m useless cash in your bank. You can still do it in our system with something like 300k limit i think

Basically team with kinda perfect starting roster can just abuse it very easily.

Like it wasn't that rare to see team in top 100 with 100 matchs so yeah some player have time to try and redo .