Value for random characteristics?

[J. Gonzalez]

Just upgraded a catcher with a random characteristic upgrade...it doesn't make much sense, but I couldn't resist as I got that dice roll... the catcher is now worth 190k. Where can I see how much charateristics upgrades do increase your players value? because this is nuts...

[Eyesight]

Mv = 20k
AV = 10K
Str = 80k
Agi = 40k
Pa= 20k

[J. Gonzalez]

Originally posted by Eyesight:

Mv = 20k
AV = 10K
Str = 80k
Agi = 40k
Pa= 20k

What a nonsense... I think I'm just gonna fire my catcher lol

[J. Gonzalez]

Originally posted by Sylph:

what did you pick? Only MV AV are worth to take. AGI is nice, but not for 40k. PA is useless most of the time

I took strength, it was AV what I was after, but I thought "hell why not". Had I know it was gonna increase the value of the plater by 80k, it would have been AV all the day long... it just doesn't make any sense to me. I take this is a rule specific to the videogame? never upgraded in the boardgame a characteristic, so I'm not very familiar with this part of the rules

[Eyesight]

Strenght is really overpriced , i think i would do it for a str 3 or 4 if i accept to pay the cost of it.

[crazy.culture]

It's according to the board game rule set.
And it's 80k because strenght is the key characteristics in the game.

Highly depends on the player itself though, of course. And it's more useless for the ST 2 players, yeah.
But imagine big guys with ST +1... even dwarven linemen... or Black Orcs or Chaos Warriors, who become "big guys with no negatraits" immediately.
Amazones are not available in BB3 yet, but you don't want to face an Jaguar Warrior Blocker with a 6 5 3+ 5+ 9+ Defensive, Dodge (+ Skill x) profile neither in real life nor in computer game.
Must be expensive.

[J. Gonzalez]

Originally posted by Sylph:

Originally posted by Odirse:

I took strength, it was AV what I was after, but I thought "hell why not". Had I know it was gonna increase the value of the plater by 80k, it would have been AV all the day long... it just doesn't make any sense to me. I take this is a rule specific to the videogame? never upgraded in the boardgame a characteristic, so I'm not very familiar with this part of the rules

i think it was only 50k in bb2 so now it's not really worth it, maybe on a st4 piece since that makes him only a slightly more expensive big guy but with easy access to block.

I would just keep the piece until he dies i guess. At least now you know not to take it again.

it is a rule that really doesn't make any sense to me at all. Why the dice roll for the random characteristic if then you're gonna penalise the choice? yeah, first and last time, that's for sure!

[crazy.culture]

Characteristics upgrades are part of the "RPG part" of the game - some people love them and would be upset, when they would be not possible (private league coaches most of the time).

Also: those prices listed are a baseline for calculating Star Player costs (and for "custom stars").

Board game tournament players dislike characteristics upgrades at all. They destroy the game at a time. In first when it's a Strenght level up.
Common Blood Bowl matches really should be played without this kind of improvement.

But again: people like them - you see it so often in digital BB games, cause you get those SSP needed for this level up so fast. Therefore it must be expensive.

[J. Gonzalez]

Originally posted by crazy.culture:

Characteristics upgrades are part of the "RPG part" of the game - some people love them and would be upset, when they would be not possible (private league coaches most of the time).

Also: those prices listed are a baseline for calculating Star Player costs (and for "custom stars").

Board game tournament players dislike characteristics upgrades at all. They destroy the game at a time. In first when it's a Strenght level up.
Common Blood Bowl matches really should be played without this kind of improvement.

But again: people like them - you see it so often in digital BB games, cause you get those SSP needed for this level up so fast. Therefore it must be expensive.

I've never played a league long enough to have SPPs for one or two skills plus a characteristic upgrade, much less with the SPP cost in the videgame.

These destroying the game is actually opinable. It might be the case, but, then, the game is already broken as it is, with quite unbalanced teams etc. I don't think having a balanced game has never been in the charts anyway, they use the "every race is different" approach, which is fine to me, but saying that this or that destroys the game is actually nonsense in this scenario.

I was just curious, as it didn't make sense to me to value that at 80k, after having 1 in 8 possibilities of picking up that characteristic, that's all. Anyway, leason learnt, and fit catcher fired lol

[Eyesight]

I think 80K for str is way to much overpriced , it's like more the cost of a reroll .
In BB2 50k was to low and it wasn't rare to see some BS team with multiple str+
I think 60k or 70k would be more acceptable as a price.

Also yeah it's good to have that str boost on paper but keeping your player alive is another story or even to try to get to that stat with some player gonna take a while.

[crazy.culture]

@Eyesight: there is no real difference between 50k/60k/70k and 80k though.

Originally posted by Odirse:

It might be the case, but, then, the game is already broken as it is, [...]

I don't think it's "broken".
It is lead back (again, with so much similar other facts) to the discrepancy on the intended rules for the Board Game versus the Computer Game.

The aspects of the possibility to extreme fast play and extreme gain of SSP leads the intended rule ad libitum / makes it nonsense.
But the rule itself is not the problem. Cyanide also just implements the rules as written.
The 'failure' occurs while playing 100 games digitally in one season - what hardly ever happens in the board game.

That said: a Strenght level up should be a very rare event and should be 'fined' in an expensive way. But in BB3 it is not a rare event...

Partly there should be customized rules for the Computer Game but - because of the GW rule license - we won't see this. Although there are indeed adjustments already by Cyanide (TV cap, random skills, ...).

[J. Gonzalez]

Originally posted by crazy.culture:

@Eyesight: there is no real difference between 50k/60k/70k and 80k though.

Originally posted by Odirse:

It might be the case, but, then, the game is already broken as it is, [...]

I don't think it's "broken".
It is lead back (again, with so much similar other facts) to the discrepancy on the intended rules for the Board Game versus the Computer Game.

The aspects of the possibility to extreme fast play and extreme gain of SSP leads the intended rule ad libitum / makes it nonsense.
But the rule itself is not the problem. Cyanide also just implements the rules as written.
The 'failure' occurs while playing 100 games digitally in one season - what hardly ever happens in the board game.

That said: a Strenght level up should be a very rare event and should be 'fined' in an expensive way. But in BB3 it is not a rare event...

Partly there should be customized rules for the Computer Game but - because of the GW rule license - we won't see this. Although there are indeed adjustments already by Cyanide (TV cap, random skills, ...).

Yeah I agree with that... in this case upgrading the strength wasn't even important for me, AV is what I was after, but I've never seen these upgrades in a normal league in the boardgame, so I didn't even know it would add 80k to the value of the player. I was actually after this scenario because I wanted to explore things which never happen in the boardgame itself, as you say playing 100 games (to say a number) in a league in the boardgame is just unheard of, so some rules might need adjusting in terms of advancements.

[Eyesight]

Even now it's pretty rare to get it with the new 2020 rule since you need to roll for that directly and not everybody can reach it easily.
Also with everyone cheating tv on random on the ladder , having a +80k can be really damaging for you , it's like a reroll price which is quite expensive so you have to endure it. I would probably only pick it once.
You are basically trading 4 skills for a +1 str. (or more when your opponent random)