Why is Imperial Nobility considered bad?

[weird fj from beyond]

Of all the factions, I have had the most success with them more than Wood Elves and Dwarves.

I know the basic lineman is pretty bad with 8 armor, but they're cheap and fend makes them really good chump blockers. The whole team is really sticky in general with Stand Firm, Wrestle, Fend. Opponents have a hard time responding so a lot of times I find I get really nice breakthrough with just 1 or 2 isolated defenders in my way. Really good vs bash teams IMO.

[Pooltastic]

I want to say the old anti-Human bias.
Blitzers also being Catchers is an odd combination that might not sit well with some.
And that 4+ Agility on Linement can definitely turn people off, low cost and all.
Plus they are overall actually on the expensive side.

[weird fj from beyond]

Nevermind I ended up losing like 5 players after playing vs Black Orcs and Chaos

[weird fj from beyond]

Originally posted by Sylph:

What is your team name in game? I want to watch your replays. Maybe you can play them better than me. I used to do okay with human teams IE or Human, but lately ive been getting crushed.

I changed my opinion.

I probably played against some experimental teams or not very good players. Deleted my Nobility teams cause they took crippling deaths and injuries. The only opinion I'm retaining is Nobility felt strong vs dwarves. But Orcs and Chaos just murdered my team and I'm sure if I ever played vs Elves I'd have gotten run around.

[Duluth]

I wish they were better. They have my favorite aesthetic, but they feel like the worst race in the game to me. Having no armor or agility or speed feels bad man.

[Eyesight]

Well they are very expensive , have human agility , have fragile lineman . They get outstrenght very easily.

[Breidr]

They are over-costed, that's pretty much it. They took Bretonians and made them worse, but gave them an ogre. They get some meme value for having catch on blitzers, but they're just worse humans in my opinion. but the thrower doesn't even start with sure hands. 5K more on a human team and you get that along with 2+ passing.

I guess if you want to play more of a control game you get stand firm/wrestle, and the blitzers do get primary agility access. Rerolls are up 20K from base humans, though.

I just see them as worse humans, but that's just my opinion. I feel like a log of hybrid teams got shafted by the 2020 rules. Still not as bad as Old World Alliance though.

[Duluth]

Originally posted by Eyesight:

Well they are very expensive , have human agility , have fragile lineman . They get outstrenght very easily.

They don't even have human agility on those terrible linemen! Fragile old men with no durability and 4+ agility. I don't know what they were thinking.

[Eyesight]

Originally posted by Duluth:

Originally posted by Eyesight:

Well they are very expensive , have human agility , have fragile lineman . They get outstrenght very easily.

They don't even have human agility on those terrible linemen! Fragile old men with no durability and 4+ agility. I don't know what they were thinking.

In BB2 , imperial nobility are bretonnians and lineman are peasant which kinda make more sens to why they are bad , imperial is just reskinned bret team.

[Vejeta187]

Bretonnians needed this rebalance because in bb2 a linemen only team made for an insane min/max team (the whole team have block and dirty player and the cost was very low)

[Breidr]

Originally posted by Sylph:

Originally posted by Breidr:

They are over-costed, that's pretty much it. They took Bretonians and made them worse, but gave them an ogre. They get some meme value for having catch on blitzers, but they're just worse humans in my opinion. but the thrower doesn't even start with sure hands. 5K more on a human team and you get that along with 2+ passing.

I guess if you want to play more of a control game you get stand firm/wrestle, and the blitzers do get primary agility access. Rerolls are up 20K from base humans, though.

I just see them as worse humans, but that's just my opinion. I feel like a log of hybrid teams got shafted by the 2020 rules. Still not as bad as Old World Alliance though.

GW is just a joke at making Order teams more fun to play. I understand they dont want to balance the game, but they always ♥♥♥♥ over the order teams to the point they are almost unplayable. It's just doesnt make sense. Why not make all tier 2 teams playable at least. IN and OWA are almost tier 3 tbh. It's just a joke.

At this point, hiding behind "balance" is just being lazy.

[Eyesight]

Originally posted by Vejeta187:

Bretonnians needed this rebalance because in bb2 a linemen only team made for an insane min/max team (the whole team have block and dirty player and the cost was very low)

That probably norse and not bret.
peasants have fend and not block, they were always expensive like the human lineman is just better than them.

[belias]

I must admit I enjoy playing Imperial. Challenging yes, but of all the races they are the ones that I have encountered the most concedes playing on the official ladder,

Usually it goes along the lines of an opponent big guy (or blitzer) getting wrestled to the ground on their turn by an attempt to dislodge a bodyguard, and then a "cheap" lineman fouling them into injury next go (after the body guard stands back up again, with perhaps a blitz to clear the area a bit and get as many as needed for the gang foul).

They will struggle to get to the top... yes, but they have the ability to upset almost any other teams play.

[Eyesight]

As long as you don't get rnged , yes , they are pretty versatile. You just don't have the tankiness of an orc team. But you technically can deal with both agi and bash , probably not enduring hit for to long.

[Duluth]

I've changed my mind on them a bit. They are quite strong defensively if you position well but susceptible to getting bashed. There are many teams on the ladder full of mighty blow so it's not the best format for them over the long term.

[Vejeta187]

Originally posted by Eyesight:

Originally posted by Vejeta187:

Bretonnians needed this rebalance because in bb2 a linemen only team made for an insane min/max team (the whole team have block and dirty player and the cost was very low)

That probably norse and not bret.
peasants have fend and not block, they were always expensive like the human lineman is just better than them.

Yeah i meant Norse/Brets lol my bad