Fouling etiquette?

[magusthearabian]

Is fouling etiquette a contradiction in terms? I've no objection to fouling but in my most recent match I was spanked by some Black Orcs. By turn 5 I had two dead, four serious injuries, and a KO. I thought I'd take my medicine, so kept all prone players down and skipped my turns acknowledging defeat. The Orcs fouled on every turn from t5 to t16. No more injuries or defeats by it was a really dispiriting 20 minutes or so. Not sure how this fits with the concede penalties either. Am I alone in thinking that it doesn't seem reasonable to expect a player to have to sit through this. Any thoughts?

[Eyesight]

Shoot the fooler , if you are disgusted about black orc , you didn't see underworld , their whole gimmick is about destroying your team and care about the ball later.

The way to avoid fouling is pressuring your opponent so he doesn't have a good window to foul .
Not exposing your most important player.
trying to stick player next to each other to reduce the foul sucess.

You can foul on your own and in that case , foul their most important piece , you should see it as a trade , don't abuse it to much or you are going to be send off and be in even more difficulty if you already was.

In case of black orc , their most important player are the black orc themself , try to send them off so you have less pressure from them.

To foul , use a dedicated player for it or a lineman.

[J. Gonzalez]

I actually think that might have been me (The guy playing Black Orcs and fouling).

The Fouling action is in the game for a reason. I have been trying to play with Black Orcs for quite a while, and with the majority of people playing undead and dwarfs, that's pretty much the only way of winning which actually works for the team (at least for me). Yes, I can throw the goblins with the ogre, but my players go down as well, and if the ogre isn't there there is not much I can do with players that can't even pick up the ball.

Every time I foul, there is a one in six chance my player gets sent off.

I would suggest to just take out my fouling guy, or hope for the referee to send the player off. I still have lost games when the other guy was down to 5 players, so the tactic of keep your players down was certainly not the best one.

For me fouling is similar to stalling... You can hate it, but it is part of the game, whether you like it or not. I hate it when people stall, as it kills my game, but you can't expect the other player to play the way it suits your team better.

[J. Gonzalez]

Originally posted by Odirse:

I actually think that might have been me (The guy playing Black Orcs and fouling).

The Fouling action is in the game for a reason. I have been trying to play with Black Orcs for quite a while, and with the majority of people playing undead and dwarfs, that's pretty much the only way of winning which actually works for the team (at least for me). Yes, I can throw the goblins with the ogre, but my players go down as well, and if the ogre isn't there there is not much I can do with players that can't even pick up the ball.

Every time I foul, there is a one in six chance my player gets sent off.

I would suggest to just take out my fouling guy, or hope for the referee to send the player off. I still have lost games when the other guy was down to 5 players, so the tactic of keep your players down was certainly not the best one.

For me fouling is similar to stalling... You can hate it, but it is part of the game, whether you like it or not. I hate it when people stall, as it kills my game, but you can't expect the other player to play the way it suits your team better.

Actually, I have just lost a game against three players...

[Emperor Ketsukane]

Originally posted by magusthearabian:

Is fouling etiquette a contradiction in terms? I've no objection to fouling but in my most recent match I was spanked by some Black Orcs. By turn 5 I had two dead, four serious injuries, and a KO. I thought I'd take my medicine, so kept all prone players down and skipped my turns acknowledging defeat. The Orcs fouled on every turn from t5 to t16. No more injuries or defeats by it was a really dispiriting 20 minutes or so. Not sure how this fits with the concede penalties either. Am I alone in thinking that it doesn't seem reasonable to expect a player to have to sit through this. Any thoughts?

Fouling is a way to remove players from the game, and it can be absolutely gamechanging if landed. An example of this is my Dirty Player Nurgle Rotter, who on a roll of 8+ armor, 2 assists, managed to completely eliminate the opposing Kroxigor, who had guard, stand firm, a bunch of skills Nurgle don't like. It completely changed the match, and I ended up winning.

[Crow]

In short, no there is absolutely no etiquette in blood bowl 3. I think the above comments might be missing the point. This isn't a matter of fouling as it is part of the game and is to be expected for the reasons sited in the comments above. Its a concession issue.

You attempted a "soft concession" and skipped turns. Personally, if this happened to me after the second or skip when it became apparent what you where doing, I think it only proper to simply go score and run up my SPP. It's more beneficial for the team and it does make the game go faster. Fouling doesn't give you SPP, but touchdowns do.

We're all going to have those games where we're just done. Remember you'll be there to eventually and try to treat your opponent as you'd like to.

There needs to be a safe to concede option after certain things happen. This isn't like table top, this is a video game and getting trounced for 20-30 minutes when you're probably going to trash the team afterward isn't worth it.

[Eyesight]

Originally posted by Odirse:

I actually think that might have been me (The guy playing Black Orcs and fouling).

The Fouling action is in the game for a reason. I have been trying to play with Black Orcs for quite a while, and with the majority of people playing undead and dwarfs, that's pretty much the only way of winning which actually works for the team (at least for me). Yes, I can throw the goblins with the ogre, but my players go down as well, and if the ogre isn't there there is not much I can do with players that can't even pick up the ball.

Every time I foul, there is a one in six chance my player gets sent off.

I would suggest to just take out my fouling guy, or hope for the referee to send the player off. I still have lost games when the other guy was down to 5 players, so the tactic of keep your players down was certainly not the best one.

For me fouling is similar to stalling... You can hate it, but it is part of the game, whether you like it or not. I hate it when people stall, as it kills my game, but you can't expect the other player to play the way it suits your team better.

Black orc actually do play around fouling , you have grab to put your opponent out of position and the cost of your bribe is halfed .

black orc are really good on contact but they have absolute crap mobility , if you do not take account of the gob , you only have a movement of 4 accross the team which heavily reduce your pressure capability , you are even worse than nurgle or dwarf at pushing.

[Splinter]

I find it funny that a game with the name Blood Bowl people complain about fouling. Sure when I'm winning and the opponent does nothing but foul, it is annoying but that is part of the rules. A game that has a Goblin team who is built around illegal weapons and fouling makes it part of the game. It can be a good strategy when you know you can't stop your opponent and you have nothing to lose. Sure again I get annoyed when some is just trying to kill my players but it is part of the game. I don't mean any of this as an insult as you have every right to say you don't like it. Me personally, if it's the 2nd half and the opponent has given up I won't foul. If they are still bashing me and fouling I will foul right back.

[Duluth]

When the game is over there is no reason to foul. Leaving the players lying in the dirt without fouling them to death is the honorable thing to do. Some of you are sneaky gits in real life.

[Cathaidan]

Look... There is no honor. Period. Until there is a concede button, we are all in the same ladder. The best way of making sure a team doesn't climb is to end that team and leave them in a bloody and broken pile. Almost as though, that's the whole point of conceding in the table top rules!

[Splinter]

There's no crying in Baseball. Or another way to say it is, there is no Honor in Blood Bowl.

[Duluth]

Originally posted by Cathaidan:

Look... There is no honor. Period. Until there is a concede button, we are all in the same ladder. The best way of making sure a team doesn't climb is to end that team and leave them in a bloody and broken pile. Almost as though, that's the whole point of conceding in the table top rules!

You just beat the guy and you'd probably beat him again. Killing his players just makes it easier for other people to beat him and climb the ladder.

[grumplekins]

Your players are scum who deserve everything they get. They are also tools to win games and nothing more. The minute you realise those two things you can play this game properly.

And if you get destroyed by fouls, defend yourself better.

[Cathaidan]

Originally posted by Duluth:

You just beat the guy and you'd probably beat him again. Killing his players just makes it easier for other people to beat him and climb the ladder.

Cool... Hey everybody in plat, I'm helping you climb by fouling teams into oblivion that aren't being restarted! Enjoy!

[s_teamboatwillie]

can I quickly ask a foul-related question while we're on the topic? How many assists do I need to make a foul with favorable odds against let's say a 10 armor dwarf? With, and without dirty player? I watched the season finals match, and at point a player fouled with I think +3 (or maybe +4) on an orc, no dirty player, and the commentators mentioned that they would have prefered one more assist in that situation

also, sneaky git is apparently next to useless, no?

[Eyesight]

Originally posted by s_teamboatwillie:

can I quickly ask a foul-related question while we're on the topic? How many assists do I need to make a foul with favorable odds against let's say a 10 armor dwarf? With, and without dirty player? I watched the season finals match, and at point a player fouled with I think +3 (or maybe +4) on an orc, no dirty player, and the commentators mentioned that they would have prefered one more assist in that situation

also, sneaky git is apparently next to useless, no?

You get +1 armor roll per assist , guard will also assist you.
You shouldn't commit your whole team into it , it can place yourself out of position very quickly.
Only fool valuable or annoying piece.
Dirty player is basically mb on foul and add +1 on armor and injury on foul (death roller be the only one with a +2 outside of champions).
Sneaky git is actually really strong now , it was even op before getting nerf , now , sneaky git just allow you to ignore double on armor , it's still really good.