Stab

[Sir Eyeball]

I have just started a Dark Elf team and I am a little fuzzy about the stab skill. Does it grant sp if injury?

[Ein Vöglein im Wind]

No

[Sir Eyeball]

thx

[Edwin Holmes]

Just for what it's worth, it's a great team but the Assassins are terrible: you will never need one.

[turnopia]

It will be more interesting when the multiple block attribute appears.

Right now it's not very common to see teams with a majority of AV7 players, but this may change in the future...

[Sir Eyeball]

I do not find assasins completely useless. I only use stab if I only have one block dice anyway and Shadowing seems quite impossible to activate so I do not rely on it. But with theright skills he can be quite a unique tool.

[Sir Eyeball]

another question about stab. Does strip ball work with it?

[Ein Vöglein im Wind]

Originally posted by Sir Eyeball:

another question about stab. Does strip ball work with it?

Again, no, since it is not a block action.

[Sir Eyeball]

cool thx so strip ball is not a smart option

[Edwin Holmes]

Originally posted by Sir Eyeball:

I do not find assasins completely useless. I only use stab if I only have one block dice anyway and Shadowing seems quite impossible to activate so I do not rely on it. But with theright skills he can be quite a unique tool.

Incredibly they used to be slightly worse.
Thing is, they're still 15k more than a lineman and for that they get 1 extra square of movement but one worse pass and one worse armour. As you've already found they don't have enough movement to reliably shadow the sort of pieces you'd want them to and by far the most likely outcome of a stab attempt is that it does absolutely nothing and leaves your AV 8+ piece next to someone who likely won't be relying on stab to smash your face into the turf.

Neither of their starting skills form a particularly frightening combo with other skills; keep an eye out and see if you see anyone taking shadowing\stab by choice. Multiple block is their best pick, even if you're still no more likely to land a hit, but that takes more spp to save up which they don't get from stabs as you already know and is unfortunately the one skill Cyanide seemingly forgot to put in the game.

I like the model and the idea but they're just such a clear waste of TV you're always going to get more value out of a lineman or even a second runner for that matter. Poor assassins, they're absolute garbage on an otherwise great team.

[sixty4half]

Originally posted by Edwin Holmes:

Originally posted by Sir Eyeball:

I do not find assasins completely useless. I only use stab if I only have one block dice anyway and Shadowing seems quite impossible to activate so I do not rely on it. But with theright skills he can be quite a unique tool.

Incredibly they used to be slightly worse.
Thing is, they're still 15k more than a lineman and for that they get 1 extra square of movement but one worse pass and one worse armour...... Poor assassins, they're absolute garbage on an otherwise great team.

+1MA is worth 20k so this almost sounds like a deal. And since bash teams are generally held to MA6, I would say MA7 is actually worth more.

Stab is usually for low armor players, and the ones you want to use it on are also ironically the ones your opposing coaches will often have Blodge on. Against blodge each die only has 1 side that will knock it down. But against av8+ you have about a 45% chance of breaking armor. Think Human/Elf catchers, gutter runners, goblins and such.

In the current 13 team meta, maybe it isnt as good as it is in BB2020 but it isnt the trash you're saying it is.

[Edwin Holmes]

It's not that any one thing they have is rubbish, it's just that as a package I just don't think there's any value in taking one over any other player. MA7 is great... it's just not enough for them to outpace the sort of low armour pieces they want to get next to, nor to be able to reliably shadow them and if I want them to move the ball then a MA7 runner is probably a better pick. Also it's not +1MA for 15K, it's +1MA and -1AV for 15k and a lot of the time an armour busted player is just fired and re-hired.

Stab's really nice when you get next to a low armour piece and it works, trouble is a half-decent coach won't have too much trouble keeping them away from you and in any case, it winds up feeling like a waste because that's exactly the sort of piece I want to take down with any other player to actually get some easy spp. You could put them on the LOS but because they're AV8+, have neither block nor dodge and even AV8+ is not far off 50/50 most of the time they'll just wind up doing nothing and stood next to the opponent defenceless. Even if they blitz that ends their turn so they can't get away. Also if they're using stab the only way they will level up is if you feed them touch downs but on a team with four blitzers, two witches and a bunch of guard-hungry linemen I'd rather give that spp to any other player so they take forever to get anywhere.

I will give you that they're great against goblins but that's not something I've ever found particularly useful.

[sixty4half]

Oh here we go with the "half decent coach doesnt allow....." argument.

Sure, a half decent coach only allows 1 hit a turn thru blitz cuz their screen is perfect linemen in front and I'll never have access to a gutter runner over 16 turns.

People who make this argument aren't even worth the time.

[Edwin Holmes]

Originally posted by sixty4half:

Oh here we go with the "half decent coach doesnt allow....." argument.

Sure, a half decent coach only allows 1 hit a turn thru blitz cuz their screen is perfect linemen in front and I'll never have access to a gutter runner over 16 turns.

People who make this argument aren't even worth the time.

Alright mate, calm down. I'm not saying you'll never get a hit in only that it's not easy to catch a MV 9 gutter runner with a MV 7 assassin and in any case the team already has four MV 7 blitzers that are better suited to taking them down. Also only allowing one blitz per turn only needs you not to base any of your opponent's pieces there's nothing complicated about that.

In any case I wasn't trying to upset you, sorry if I touched a nerve.

[sixty4half]

Originally posted by Edwin Holmes:

Originally posted by sixty4half:

Oh here we go with the "half decent coach doesnt allow....." argument.

Sure, a half decent coach only allows 1 hit a turn thru blitz cuz their screen is perfect linemen in front and I'll never have access to a gutter runner over 16 turns.

People who make this argument aren't even worth the time.

Alright mate, calm down. I'm not saying you'll never get a hit in only that it's not easy to catch a MV 9 gutter runner with a MV 7 assassin and in any case the team already has four MV 7 blitzers that are better suited to taking them down. Also only allowing one blitz per turn only needs you not to base any of your opponent's pieces there's nothing complicated about that.

In any case I wasn't trying to upset you, sorry if I touched a nerve.

Please bro LOL, don't try to act all superior simply because I dont buy into your "any half decent coach" argument.

A MV7 player position in the middle square between sidelines can hit any tile on the board for 15 (19 with Rush) spaces up and down the pitch. If your gutter runner was hiding behind a screen at the beginning of the turn there is no way for you to blow past me in 1 turn. Your scenarios are implausible

[Edwin Holmes]

Look, I'm certainly not superior to anyone and I'm genuinely sorry to have upset you mate. I think maybe you've misunderstood me.