Don't surrender so easily, new coach!

[WakWak]

Hi ,

I know, your match does not seem to work in any way, the dices are not on your side or the opponent just does not throw a 1 ... for Nuffle's sake.

Don't give up so easily, new coach! We all have to fight with the same ups and downs of dices and crisis, we cry, we die but you know what, only the strong get up on their feet, try the one move that looks like a very bad idea and believe me, pull that one move off.

Suddenly you managed to get in possession of the egg and you opponent , surprised and jaded by his luck before does not plan in a carefull manner. Uops, he flopped right infront your feet. Now your turn to make the run. You push everything you have, even one more unexpected tryhard move and...and... you fumble on the touchdown-zone.

Well... you know it was not your match. But hey, at least the opponent did not score as well, and you suddenly see a player that has earned his MVP-Promotion and now, now you have a really good blocker on the field, ready to rock at your next match.

Life will be easier, but never gets tired to kick your butt because it's a bloody mess in this bowl. Only the strong will survive here... and some... some may live beyond their expectations.

Btw... there could be an other way to not get that frustrated, as you may see here.

Player died, no statue to honour him?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1016950/discussions/0/3774616756097569020/

[Lfod]

Was in a game just now first one of today. Opponent receives the ball first. He makes a couple blocks then rolls double down with his Minotaur and then he uses a reroll and the same thing. Then just concedes before I can take my first turn.

Did not even have the spine to play it out and see what happens. I'm sure he just didn't have the time to finish the game or whatever excuse people like to give and it has nothing to do with being a weak player that can't even handle one bad roll on his opening turn.

I played a game before that game and two of my players were KOed in the first few turns. The troll got KOed the first turn and they didn't come back for the entire game. I lost by one score and almost tied it up. I bet my opponent was glad I actually have some grit and played the game out.

[IKerensky]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Lfod:

I'm sure some of these rule changes might help but people will still quit out of the game no matter what team they play if they don't feel like playing a game that they are losing.

And that's a problem that every and all online games have to face. A bit exacerbated by the length and commitment of a BB match compared to a 15 minutes full match for other games.

I would add that I too got 3 concession for me the last time I saly my Black Orks, very fast concessions. But I can't remember the last time someone didn"t wanted to go full length against my elves or my humans...

[Lfod]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από IKerensky:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Lfod:

I'm sure some of these rule changes might help but people will still quit out of the game no matter what team they play if they don't feel like playing a game that they are losing.

And that's a problem that every and all online games have to face. A bit exacerbated by the length and commitment of a BB match compared to a 15 minutes full match for other games.

I would add that I too got 3 concession for me the last time I saly my Black Orks, very fast concessions. But I can't remember the last time someone didn"t wanted to go full length against my elves or my humans...

Staying until the end of every game is just a sign of respect and a person showing excellent sportsmanship in my opinion. I'm understanding when your team is destroyed but this being a ranked ladder you shouldn't be able to try and dodge further negative outcomes by leaving. I could consider that cheating if people wanted to take ranking seriously.

I'm not that strict and I don't take ladder rankings that seriously but I still think people that dodge out of games too early lack respect and sportsmanship. I can't imagine what people would think of the table top player that sits down and then packs it up before the other player can take his turn because he had a bad roll. I can only speak for myself and I would rather wait extra time spinning than match up against some one I wouldn't think is going to respect my time and agree to a full match of BB3.

The dude that quit before I got to take my first turn is weak sauce. Who knows what could of happened in that game but now I never will. Sure he had a bad roll and a wasted reroll and a few more players he would of liked to move but if that was enough to dip out of a game then why even play a game like this. It could of been the game of a lifetime after that first bad turn for him. He might of injured half my team and beat me by 4 scores but a little bump in the road was all it took for this dude to nope out of a game.

Funny part of the story is I played a match after that one and the teams name was losing on purpose and the name matched the team. It was a neat experience but I still wouldn't want somebody to lose to me on purpose. It kind of hurt the integrity of the game because I probably did more damage and scored more than I normally would have. Wish the universe would balance itself out after every quitter but sadly it was just that one time. Have some one quit a game just to load up another game to play out a full game of losing. I want to fully experience the winning but sometimes people want to rob me of that experience.

I guess you didn't match up against my Black Orcs because I've lost games this season by 4+ points with zero touchdowns and I still stayed. It wasn't fun but at least I didn't have to feel scummy for being a quitter.

[Hairy Coo]

I used to hate conceding and concerts, still do, but understand it has time and place, especially in a perpetual ladder format.

Private leagues with scheduled matches is the way I enjoy playing bb the most, and there should be no conceding there.

[Lfod]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Hairy Coo:

I used to hate conceding and concerts, still do, but understand it has time and place, especially in a perpetual ladder format.

Private leagues with scheduled matches is the way I enjoy playing bb the most, and there should be no conceding there.

If they don't do anything about conceding on ladder than I might become a league player. I wasn't planning on it but at least it will be a place I can play games of BB3.

All I really want to be is a ladder player. The last time I seen a developer on discord talk about concedes he didn't seem to have any solid answer so it's not something I think they have plans to do anything about. "keeping an eye on it" doesn't fill me with confidence that they really care about it or take it seriously.

I really dislike quitters but the game lets them do it and I can't expect everyone to do the right thing when they have other options. I depend on scoring touchdowns and causing injuries If I get an advantage more of those things might happen but if I get the advantage and the opponent quits they "cheat" me out of the opportunity for that.

They also "cheat" and quit to prevent what could be further damage caused to their team because having a bad start and being a player down might snowball into a much worse situation. So when Minotaur dude took a bad block he cheated me out of a game that I would have started off with a slight advantage.

Does ladder ranking really matter when it's possible that some teams are high rank because they quit out of games that might of potentially damaged their team a lot more? A team might be there that shouldn't of been because they pulled them out of a bad situation before it became a disaster.

A skilled player might be on a team that is high rank that really should of been dead because when a person quits a game down a player or whatever that is less bad blocks they have to take and they jump right into the next game and play it out if it's a more favorable position.

[Attackmack]

I stay til the end but when its clear I can do nothing to tie or win, all thats left is watching my dudes get destroyed, I just end my turns. Usually the last 3-4.

Ill admit, dedicating anywhere between 45-90 minutes for a single match feels a bit much, thats why I would love so so much if Sevens was implemented in the game as well.

[Lfod]

It would be nice if there was something in place that detoured conceding to a point that people didn't feel comfortable enough to quit on me after the first bad situation pops up for them in a game against me. I understand the commitment to an hour long game of Blood Bowl. Although people shouldn't play the game with the mindset of only having enough time when you are winning. If people only have time for winning they don't respect the opponent.

[WakWak]

Well...

how about something to make a dead player not the end of a match, but more like a transformation...

like I'm explaining in my upcoming book, "Gimme a Statue or my Team will rip you apart for killing my teammate!"

Player died, no statue to honour him?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1016950/discussions/0/3774616756097569020/

[Hairy Coo]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Lfod:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Hairy Coo:

I used to hate conceding and concerts, still do, but understand it has time and place, especially in a perpetual ladder format.

Private leagues with scheduled matches is the way I enjoy playing bb the most, and there should be no conceding there.

If they don't do anything about conceding on ladder than I might become a league player. I wasn't planning on it but at least it will be a place I can play games of BB3.

All I really want to be is a ladder player. The last time I seen a developer on discord talk about concedes he didn't seem to have any solid answer so it's not something I think they have plans to do anything about. "keeping an eye on it" doesn't fill me with confidence that they really care about it or take it seriously.

I really dislike quitters but the game lets them do it and I can't expect everyone to do the right thing when they have other options. I depend on scoring touchdowns and causing injuries If I get an advantage more of those things might happen but if I get the advantage and the opponent quits they "cheat" me out of the opportunity for that.

They also "cheat" and quit to prevent what could be further damage caused to their team because having a bad start and being a player down might snowball into a much worse situation. So when Minotaur dude took a bad block he cheated me out of a game that I would have started off with a slight advantage.

Does ladder ranking really matter when it's possible that some teams are high rank because they quit out of games that might of potentially damaged their team a lot more? A team might be there that shouldn't of been because they pulled them out of a bad situation before it became a disaster.

A skilled player might be on a team that is high rank that really should of been dead because when a person quits a game down a player or whatever that is less bad blocks they have to take and they jump right into the next game and play it out if it's a more favorable position.

They didnt have a good solution in BB2, doubt BB3 would be any different. Thats the issue playing with randoms, you never know. Private leagues were a great thing in bb2, I am sure they'll be here as well.

[SocOrc]

You can have a game where your opponent gets nearly no bad rolls. And Despite your plan working out when you don't get double attacker down on 4 turns in a row. You just cant win. No matter how good your strategy.

[Weffi]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SocOrc:

You can have a game where your opponent gets nearly no bad rolls. And Despite your plan working out when you don't get double attacker down on 4 turns in a row. You just cant win. No matter how good your strategy.

this is extreamly annoying when it happens, i have quit matches due to it, becuse sometimes it feels like what ever you do, your rolls are bad, like realy bad and it is like this 10 times in a row almost, and your opponent gets good rolls after eachother for many rounds in a row.
the point of playing then is so frustraiting it is just better to leave.

unfortunately also, if you are new like, you know that if you end up against any bashy team, you are bound to get injuries or deaths, specialy if you notice the other team is higher TV than you, then it is literaly pointless, you can try a few rounds, but if you notice nope not gona happen, it is better to just leave the match, specialy if you get injuries in the 4 first rounds.

[WakWak]

I know, but sometimes the game seem to favour risky moves... so maybe try to win the fans back with some extraordinay run!

[Saica-Fox]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Weffi:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SocOrc:

You can have a game where your opponent gets nearly no bad rolls. And Despite your plan working out when you don't get double attacker down on 4 turns in a row. You just cant win. No matter how good your strategy.

this is extreamly annoying when it happens, i have quit matches due to it, becuse sometimes it feels like what ever you do, your rolls are bad, like realy bad and it is like this 10 times in a row almost, and your opponent gets good rolls after eachother for many rounds in a row.
the point of playing then is so frustraiting it is just better to leave.

unfortunately also, if you are new like, you know that if you end up against any bashy team, you are bound to get injuries or deaths, specialy if you notice the other team is higher TV than you, then it is literaly pointless, you can try a few rounds, but if you notice nope not gona happen, it is better to just leave the match, specialy if you get injuries in the 4 first rounds.

i find the best way to mimimize injury from bashy teams is to dont mark them or base them just set up ur tackle zones so they have to dodge past your players which will be hard for them and they can only blitz once round so in a game u would get 16 downs if all were from blitz

[Lfod]

I don't understand peoples mindset. They choose to play a game that has some RNG with dice rolls. They chose to play a game that players on teams can get injured and die. Did they really think they would just roll perfect all the time and never lose players to injury? Then on top of that some people expect agility teams to stand and fight like bash teams?

You quit a game on me and and no GG's from me. It was a bad game because my opponent wasn't a Blood Bowl coach worthy of being on the pitch as me. No coach in the world ever promotes quitting games. Imagine all the paying customers coming to watch your team play only to find out the coach is a weakling telling his team to pack it up long before the game is over.

All I really want is to be able to see information on how much the person I match up with quits games so I know to quit on them the second something good happens for them and they would be the only matches I ever quit just to spite them. Simple as % of completed games would do the trick. At the very least give us good coaches the ability to know if the coach we are playing against is legit or pretending.

[Eyesight]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Lfod:

I don't understand peoples mindset. They choose to play a game that has some RNG with dice rolls. They chose to play a game that players on teams can get injured and die. Did they really think they would just roll perfect all the time and never lose players to injury? Then on top of that some people expect agility teams to stand and fight like bash teams?

You quit a game on me and and no GG's from me. It was a bad game because my opponent wasn't a Blood Bowl coach worthy of being on the pitch as me. No coach in the world ever promotes quitting games. Imagine all the paying customers coming to watch your team play only to find out the coach is a weakling telling his team to pack it up long before the game is over.

All I really want is to be able to see information on how much the person I match up with quits games so I know to quit on them the second something good happens for them and they would be the only matches I ever quit just to spite them. Simple as % of completed games would do the trick. At the very least give us good coaches the ability to know if the coach we are playing against is legit or pretending.

That would never be show because it's really toxic.
And there is to many way your opponent can concede from:
-He can crash black screen
-get deco
-rq
-Conceding to scrap the team due to heavy casualty
-Conceding to save what remain from his team.
-Conceding to skip a match
-Conceding because you have a scumbag opponent who just want to destroy your team completely ignoring the ball (already did happen to me , i didn't concede but i was lucky with injury).
It's also possible later on that we encounter murder team again and people will probably skip them if they are face.
In any way , if your opponent concede , you still gain both spp and cash to build your team to be ready for the next match.