Congratulation, the game is dead.

[IKerensky]

With your genius idea of a free unlimited reroll with no redraft or attrition you manage to create an environnement where bronze level is full of dwarves team with randomised full guard and Chaos team with full claw, both absolutely uninterested in the ball but just killing your players.

You are making a online game extremely unfriendly to new players and killing any interest in learning or playing it.

[Eyesight]

Just avoid dwarf like plague , they are just extremely unbalance in the current format and the ability to cheat TV make it even worse.

Claw is just something else and depend on who you face if it's a brainless player that just want to kill you or someone who actually think and try to win the game , claw be just another tool for it but can be play around.

[Lfod]

If you can't beat them join them. Play Dwarfs and random guard or Choas with full claw. I am more of a casual myself being new to the game so I just roll with Black Orcs because the cosmetics from Brutal Edition. I don't want to use the best teams as a crutch to learn the game.

I think you are more bothered by the idea of a person being able to play a lot of games to choose random skills more than you actually match up with people who are doing it on the ladder. It's something that is possible in reality but I don't think a majority of people are going to commit to grinding out that many games to accomplish this.

I was on discord a little while back and I did see a developer mention redraft is in the works but expensive mistakes will come first. I would love to see it in the game because I think it adds a layer of strategic depth and I don't like the idea of people sitting on maxed out teams forever.

Although there are some things I am not aware of to help me discern if your concern is legitimate. You are talking about these things like it is fairly common practice. I don't know how many hours/games it would take to grind out a fully random skill team. It would be something that should be easily repeatable in a decent amount of time to be a more common strategy for most people to use.

It would be nice if some one could throw together a video of the process to demonstrate how easily obtainable it is while giving the information about how many games they played and players they fired ect ect.

Until then I just don't think it's really as big of an issue. I think you will be alright when league tools are done. You clearly don't like the ladder.

[Eyesight]

It depend with which team you do it.
But for stuff like dwarf , you want strenght skill.
Mighty blow , guard , stand firm , grab , for the troll slayer , juggernaut , for the blitzer , break tackle .
They all start with thick skull and none of them can learn strong arm which left 9 strenght skill remaining, 8 for the troll slayer , he cannot learn grab due to frenzy.
Pile driver is the worst one and it's instantly fire if you get that.
Arm bar and brawler are ok even if it's situationnal and everything else it's pretty much good depending on the positionning.
Juggernaut.break tackle on dwarf lineman is not really usefull

[mrsir]

Originally posted by IKerensky:

With your genius idea of a free unlimited reroll with no redraft or attrition you manage to create an environnement where bronze level is full of dwarves team with randomised full guard and Chaos team with full claw, both absolutely uninterested in the ball but just killing your players.

You are making a online game extremely unfriendly to new players and killing any interest in learning or playing it.

What are you even on about? Do you check anything before your rants? Unlimited reroll is part of the 2020 ruleset. I have played four games in the last two days. All around the 900 to 1100TV bracket, all in Bronze Division. I have met one Nurgle team, two Lizardmen teams and a Dark Elf team. All were close, well fought, friendly matches with interactions using the emotes indicating the opposition were having fun too. All four matches took less than 30 seconds to find. Not one single one of the teams (opposition or mine) were OP compared to the other. They were perfect matchups. I have had one matchup where everything went wrong, two days ago. That was against a fresh Human team and the dice just seemed to be against me. Mixture of bad luck and lack of skill on my part, no doubt, but certainly not because the opposition was OP.

The issue here is a lack of skill and understanding of the game, coupled with a hatred of the ladder format. I strongly suggest you take all that rage, calm it down and join a league (either in BB3 or in BB2). If you don't like the ruleset, BB2 does not have unlimited rerolls.

In the entire season I have only met one OP Dwarf team. Every match has been pretty equal other than that. I strongly suggest you learn how to build your teams and play them.

You moan constantly about how unfair Dwarves and are how unfair random skills are. If they are that OP, stop moaning and play them. I expect to see you in the top 100 soon. It doesn't matter what skills a team have, if the the person playing them is awful at the game. That is why it is always the same people that rise to the top. They are genuinely better than the rest of us at this game.

[Eyesight]

Originally posted by mrsir:

Originally posted by IKerensky:

With your genius idea of a free unlimited reroll with no redraft or attrition you manage to create an environnement where bronze level is full of dwarves team with randomised full guard and Chaos team with full claw, both absolutely uninterested in the ball but just killing your players.

You are making a online game extremely unfriendly to new players and killing any interest in learning or playing it.

What are you even on about? Do you check anything before your rants? Unlimited reroll is part of the 2020 ruleset. I have played four games in the last two days. All around the 900 to 1100TV bracket, all in Bronze Division. I have met one Nurgle team, two Lizardmen teams and a Dark Elf team. All were close, well fought, friendly matches with interactions using the emotes indicating the opposition were having fun too. All four matches took less than 30 seconds to find. Not one single one of the teams (opposition or mine) were OP compared to the other. They were perfect matchups.

The issue here is a lack of skill and understanding of the game, coupled with a hatred of the ladder format. I strongly suggest you take all that rage, calm it down and join a league (either in BB3 or in BB2). If you don't like the ruleset, BB2 does not have unlimited rerolls.

In the entire season I have only met one OP Dwarf team. Every match has been pretty equal other than that. I strongly suggest you learn how to build your teams and play them.

You moan constantly about how unfair Dwarves are how unfair random skills are. If they are that OP, stop moaning and play them. I expect to see you in the top 100 soon. It doesn't matter what skills a team have, if the the person playing them is awful at the game. That is why it is always the same people that rise to the top. They are genuinely better than the rest of us at this game.

Depend on your luck , you can have fair MU or fight people who cheat TV like madness and in that case , you can't fight them at all because they are way to much skill advanced that you are. In that case just skip the match.

[mrsir]

Originally posted by Eyesight:

It depend with which team you do it.
But for stuff like dwarf , you want strenght skill.
Mighty blow , guard , stand firm , grab , for the troll slayer , juggernaut , for the blitzer , break tackle .
They all start with thick skull and none of them can learn strong arm which left 9 strenght skill remaning, 8 for the troll slayer , he cannot learn grab due to frenzy.
Pile driver is the worst one and it's instantly fire if you get that.
Arm bar and brawler are ok even if it's situationnal and everything else it's pretty much good depending on the positionning.
Juggernaut.break tackle on dwarf lineman is not really usefull

I agree it is easier on Dwarf, but it is also a massive time sink. It happens, but it is nowhere near as frequent as the OP suggests. I'm yet to even meet an OP Chaos team in Bronze. I have spent most of the season playing in Bronze due to constantly changing my team. I'm not that fussed about my end of season ranking so I'm happy doing that. I have only met one OP team all season, and that was Dwarves. One out of all the matches total. It is not as widespread as the OP thinks. I get the impression he thinks the opposition must be OP if he loses to them.

[mrsir]

Just in case anyone is actually fooled by the misleading title, BB2 which uses the older ruleset and has league tools (and no infinite rerolls) currently has half the number of players than BB3, which is incomplete and missing loads of features as well as missing teams (and league tools) and will gain the BB2 crowd when these are added. This game is far from dead.

[bradh13]

There is no cheating TV, jesus why can't you people understand this. It is not easy, it is not viable to think you will random every skill into perfection and if you do that is just great luck for you for this team. If dwarfs were OP they would be number 1 in win percentage of races, they are not, not even top 3.

[sixty4half]

I'd bronze is your problem just win 4 games and you're in silver. It's quite simple really.

[Eyesight]

Originally posted by bradh13:

There is no cheating TV, jesus why can't you people understand this. It is not easy, it is not viable to think you will random every skill into perfection and if you do that is just great luck for you for this team. If dwarfs were OP they would be number 1 in win percentage of races, they are not, not even top 3.

In that format , they are op.
Low cost roster , easy acess to strong skill strenght and passing for leader.
Easy acess to moblity
Strong starting skill.
Best fool player in game (even if not all dwarf team play him).

[sixty4half]

If you're so enamored with dwafs, then play them

[turnopia]

according to the statistics of the ladder collected in golbinspy, the most played teams are lizardman (understandable) and orcs

Getting a random full guard or full claw team is a statistically impossible task, I've yet to see any team that comes even remotely similar. You use random abilities is quite rare from what I've seen, except for some expendable player

[turnopia]

of course you are right about the redraft. The real problem of the ladder are the perfect, not random, high TV teams, loaded with guard and MB

[Eyesight]

Originally posted by turnopia:

according to the statistics of the ladder collected in golbinspy, the most played teams are lizardman (understandable) and orcs

Getting a random full guard or full claw team is a statistically impossible task, I've yet to see any team that comes even remotely similar. You use random abilities is quite rare from what I've seen, except for some expendable player

It depend what your target and with which team/player you do that , if he can spp quickly .

[turnopia]

These are the statistics of the ladder BTW:

https://www.mordrek.com/gspy/comp/209684/activity