Rage quit issues

[PIP]

So I just rage quit turn 1 , playing vs a not scary skaven list. this happens all the time , roll monster 1 stupid , next one 1 bone head , next 1 wild , pick up ball with elf 1 RR 1 . I thought it was awful RNG , but there is something else going on . a pal is a programmer said he thinks its not RNG , its just dice fixing to patch over the fact the Ai is rubbish .

Something needs adding for people just quitting , like in board version where you get both MVP and winnings etc . of my online games of the last 6, 1 has been completed to a finish , i quit 1 , and opponents quit 4.

[Yann Moix]

If you quit your games, except maybe official ladder first match disaster, just uninstall.

It looks like you're not used to play BB.

On 5 matches i won 4 they all quit i don't care i just win anyway. The only match i lost i played it till the end even if i were unlucky as ♥♥♥♥.

[mrsir]

Often it isn't rage quitting, its losing connection to the servers ... happened to me 4 games in a row yesterday (and it wasn't an issue with my internet). Tried one match today and it froze turn 7 so we had no choice but one of us to concede.

They don't need to add something for people quitting, they need to fix their servers and the freezing bug.

As for the dice, they are fine. I was scoring touchdowns involving multiple passes, handoffs and tackles. Yes you get bad luck, and yes the AI seems to be lucky, but I've also seen it fail spectacularly more than it succeeds.

[Grimmsch]

The rulebook has clear concession rules that should be enforced with season 1 going forward : Your best player ( 3+ advancements ) leave your team in disgust if you concede with a 50% chance each.

I am fine with an option to turn it off in private competitions.

[Yann Moix]

Originally posted by Grimmsch:

The rulebook has clear concession rules that should be enforced with season 1 going forward : Your best player ( 3+ advancements ) leave your team in disgust if you concede with a 50% chance each.

I am fine with an option to turn it off in private competitions.

I hope it will stay on official ladder, on BB2 you could use 5 coachs max so the 5th team you create was the last one, the same option suits me fine as well.

[mrsir]

Originally posted by Grimmsch:

The rulebook has clear concession rules that should be enforced with season 1 going forward : Your best player ( 3+ advancements ) leave your team in disgust if you concede with a 50% chance each.

I am fine with an option to turn it off in private competitions.

Before they can implement this, they need to make it so we are not forced to concede due to their servers disconnecting us or through the game freezing. Until this is resolved, any punishment for conceding would be ridiculously harsh.

[TehJumpingJawa]

Originally posted by Grimmsch:

The rulebook has clear concession rules that should be enforced with season 1 going forward : Your best player ( 3+ advancements ) leave your team in disgust if you concede with a 50% chance each.

I am fine with an option to turn it off in private competitions.

Introducing that rule before reconnection is supported would be a disaster.
Moreover 99% of those playing BB3 have NO IDEA what the rules of the game are, because they have NO ACCESS to the BB2020 rule book!

More broadly, tabletop and digital aren't equivalent, and shouldn't necessarily use exactly the same ruleset.

For example, walking away from a tabletop match is a far more disruptive act than walking away from a digital match.

[Grimmsch]

Originally posted by mrsir:

Before they can implement this, they need to make it so we are not forced to concede due to their servers disconnecting us or through the game freezing. Until this is resolved, any punishment for conceding would be ridiculously harsh.

Originally posted by TehJumpingJawa:

Introducing that rule before reconnection is supported would be a disaster.

I agree that is a prerequisition - maybe I was too optimistic with season 1 even if I hope connection stability is mostly resolved by than. But definitely with season 2 resume after disconnect. A forced shutdown should never be a safety net.

Originally posted by TehJumpingJawa:

Moreover 99% of those playing BB3 have NO IDEA what the rules of the game are, because they have NO ACCESS to the BB2020 rule book!

That is a seperate issue and no reason to not introduce the rule.

Originally posted by TehJumpingJawa:

More broadly, tabletop and digital aren't equivalent, and shouldn't necessarily use exactly the same ruleset.

For example, walking away from a tabletop match is a far more disruptive act than walking away from a digital match.

I disagree here - but thats what custom settings and private competitions are for.

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by "PIP":

a pal is a programmer said he thinks its not RNG , its just dice fixing to patch over the fact the Ai is rubbish .

It's not, you're just paranoid.

Originally posted by "Grimmsch":

The rulebook has clear concession rules that should be enforced with season 1 going forward : Your best player ( 3+ advancements ) leave your team in disgust if you concede with a 50% chance each.

That would be a pretty serious mistake in open play. The game is going to be considered "punishing" enough by casual gamers due to the fact that injuries and deaths carry over between games, having half their team disappear over a concession is going to slap a hard limit on the playerbase.

This was discussed at length during BB2's run.

Originally posted by "Grimmsch":

I am fine with an option to turn it off in private competitions.

Default that kind of thing to off and let private leagues turn it on if they want it. General, open play always needs to be softer than what you can run on the side - the open environment is for the general playerbase and should be where people get their sea legs, not a grinder to separate the boys from the men.

Originally posted by "mrsir":

Before they can implement this, they need to make it so we are not forced to concede due to their servers disconnecting us or through the game freezing. Until this is resolved, any punishment for conceding would be ridiculously harsh.

Nobody is going to appreciate suffering extensive team damage for connection losses, crashes, power outages, needing to run off to find out why their kid is screaming, etc. Even with reconnection there's no guarantee someone can get back in time to reconnect with the opponent.

It's a rule that makes more sense on the tabletop where it can be applied only when it should be, and where people can hash out the circumstances face to face. It doesn't have much place in online play.

Originally posted by "Grimmsch":

That is a seperate issue and no reason to not introduce the rule.

It's a good reason not to if you want to keep those people.

[RotGoblin]

Originally posted by PIP:

So I just rage quit turn 1 , playing vs a not scary skaven list. this happens all the time , roll monster 1 stupid , next one 1 bone head , next 1 wild , pick up ball with elf 1 RR 1 . I thought it was awful RNG , but there is something else going on . a pal is a programmer said he thinks its not RNG , its just dice fixing to patch over the fact the Ai is rubbish .

Something needs adding for people just quitting , like in board version where you get both MVP and winnings etc . of my online games of the last 6, 1 has been completed to a finish , i quit 1 , and opponents quit 4.

You're playing the least reliable team in BB. You can't really complain when it's unreliable.

3 big guys is just asking for entire turns where you are left defenceless. Maybe even entire games.

[Roderick]

For probabilities, I love those videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHU-L3BLd_w
Probabilities just kick in sometimes. I am playing Shadowrun and Dungeons and Dragons and believe me, there is no combination of dices which couldn't occur. Last time, a literally new member on his first diceroll every in the group got a critical fail. You can't do more than laugh about. ^^

In BB, I had an elf stumbling and dying at the first move of the compöetely new team. That would have been a risk to avoid (gfi in the first round...). But at some point, the dices will eventually fail you and you can't do anything about it fail you.

[RotGoblin]

Originally posted by Roderick:

For probabilities, I love those videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHU-L3BLd_w
Probabilities just kick in sometimes. I am playing Shadowrun and Dungeons and Dragons and believe me, there is no combination of dices which couldn't occur. Last time, a literally new member on his first diceroll every in the group got a critical fail. You can't do more than laugh about. ^^

In BB, I had an elf stumbling and dying at the first move of the compöetely new team. That would have been a risk to avoid (gfi in the first round...). But at some point, the dices will eventually fail you and you can't do anything about it fail you.

How critical was his fail, was it an "here's a new character sheet" critical fail?

[Roderick]

Originally posted by Highwayman:

How critical was his fail, was it an "here's a new character sheet" critical fail?

Wasn't possible I am afraid. In Shadowrun a critical fail _might_ lead to desaster, but like in Blood Bowl, the fail is only for one of the players, the rest might act normal.
On top of it, it was a fail in perspicacity while judging whether the other one tells the truth. So I had no better idea than to let his char believe every word that person said AND if anyone of his teammates was to question that person, his char got enraged by the fact his colleques wouldn't believe it. In the end, I could just withhold some information. So slight damage, but no fatal one.

Like in BB, a single fail isn't the end of the world, especially because the other side is bound to have some, too.

[RotGoblin]

Originally posted by Roderick:

Originally posted by Highwayman:

How critical was his fail, was it an "here's a new character sheet" critical fail?

Wasn't possible I am afraid. In Shadowrun a critical fail _might_ lead to desaster, but like in Blood Bowl, the fail is only for one of the players, the rest might act normal.
On top of it, it was a fail in perspicacity while judging whether the other one tells the truth. So I had no better idea than to let his char believe every word that person said AND if anyone of his teammates was to question that person, his char got enraged by the fact his colleques wouldn't believe it. In the end, I could just withhold some information. So slight damage, but no fatal one.

Like in BB, a single fail isn't the end of the world, especially because the other side is bound to have some, too.

Sounds like some top notch DM'ing to me.

[lordbodygurn]

Everyone is down on rage quitting. And for any single bit if bad luck i agree. But if you get diced bad enough in the first few turns, it just isn't fun, and you can almost guarantee some lasting injuries on your remaining players. Same with if you get lasting injuries on key players with a new team. What's the point on carrying on with a team that won't get off the ground.
Different again if you're playing with friends. But with strangers and no chat function to even connect and have a laugh about it? Why bother?

[CavalierArcher]

Originally posted by lordbodygurn:

Everyone is down on rage quitting. And for any single bit if bad luck i agree. But if you get diced bad enough in the first few turns, it just isn't fun, and you can almost guarantee some lasting injuries on your remaining players. Same with if you get lasting injuries on key players with a new team. What's the point on carrying on with a team that won't get off the ground.
Different again if you're playing with friends. But with strangers and no chat function to even connect and have a laugh about it? Why bother?

That's fine. I agree fully there are circumstances where it is ok to concede. The issue is separating these genuine reasons from petty reasons like you failed a throw, or your fave fouler got KO'd etc.

For the average coach, the genuine reasons shouldn't be common, a match here and there. But for those who are just not wired to handle the random craziness of the game, and quit every other match...then we need a solution.