Dead Game!

[Vin]

Looking at the player base now. Yep, this game is dead now. Almost a year and the Mysotis Expansion has not ready yet. Not gonna trust on BAMCO again.

[Gilgamesh-sama]

It's not Bamco, it's Aquria. Bamco is just a publisher

[Danテディ]

It's a singleplayer game what do you expect, be happy that they do something at least.
Wait for BP if you want multiplayer with regular content updates

[Fatal Baguette]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh-sama:

It's not Bamco, it's Aquria. Bamco is just a publisher

Well Bamco is to blame, cause they're the ones that give the budget, dictate what the monetization will be, how they do updates. They call the shots on some things. The developers are just doing their jobs, trying to make do with an 8 year old cobbled together engine cause they Namco will not give them enough to fix the engine or use a better one. Yes Aquria has some fault in it, but they're working with what they got.

[Lyncher]

Originally posted by Fatal Baguette:

Originally posted by Gilgamesh-sama:

It's not Bamco, it's Aquria. Bamco is just a publisher

Well Bamco is to blame, cause they're the ones that give the budget, dictate what the monetization will be, how they do updates. They call the shots on some things. The developers are just doing their jobs, trying to make do with an 8 year old cobbled together engine cause they Namco will not give them enough to fix the engine or use a better one. Yes Aquria has some fault in it, but they're working with what they got.

Bamco gave a way higher budget for this game than HR yet HR is the superior game of the two despite being older with less budget. Budget is not the cause for several of the game's issues but crappy lazy development and coding this time around. As for engine I think its more likely Aquria decide to use the same one by choice because they are more familiar with it using it in past games. Other options were clearly available just not taken, UE4 was used on FB for example that works fine.

[id]

Originally posted by Vin:

Looking at the player base now. Yep, this game is dead now. Almost a year and the Mysotis Expansion has not ready yet. Not gonna trust on BAMCO again.

It's Aquria's fault. They tryed to make a JRPG and expected to work online instead of focussing on fixing the game. Very naïve....

[ForThatB]

It is Aquria's fault that this game is hot mess. Bandai Namco is blamed because it there logo on the game, they should have preformed more quality test and check to make sure the game is up to standards like games they create from in house studio. I do blame the producer more than anyone else on this production team. The reason Futami's mind set from his words is this: if airborne flight rpg go artdink, if fps rpg game go to DIMPS, and if open world rpg go to Aquria. That mindset is something is not right there, but also depend how serious is team working on details of this game.

Current base game in 60% off only been a year which tell you a lot about how they feel about this game. I mean dlc didn't drop in price mean still developers in hot mess.

[ForThatB]

Originally posted by Fatal Baguette:

Originally posted by Gilgamesh-sama:

It's not Bamco, it's Aquria. Bamco is just a publisher

Well Bamco is to blame, cause they're the ones that give the budget, dictate what the monetization will be, how they do updates. They call the shots on some things. The developers are just doing their jobs, trying to make do with an 8 year old cobbled together engine cause they Namco will not give them enough to fix the engine or use a better one. Yes Aquria has some fault in it, but they're working with what they got.

I doubt they were working with what they got. Aquria was part developer team for "The Caligula Effect" which ran on UE4. So they knew how UE4 works and must had access to it. I'm not 100% sure how agreement work with UE4, but it should be free to use except royalties.

Honestly from my point of view. They used same engine as HR, so they can port over old asset to make game faster. Another reason they can use old HR costumes or weapons and add them to sao shop to make more money. The proof look at the sao shop and the cube, there few weapons like that from HR. It really pure laziness of the developers not taking this arc serious.
At least anime was serious, so production team for anime of SAO Alicization did justice.

[NightmareHollow]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh-sama:

It's not Bamco, it's Aquria. Bamco is just a publisher

It's the publisher. These days, they call the shots, plus the Executive Producer works for Bandai Namco, not Aquria. You can't point the finger at Aquria when they didn't develop LS, AW vs SAO or FB, none of which are any better.

It's almost like Bandai Namco aren't even trying with SAO games anymore. Look to the mobile games, it's the same problem. In ARS, they recently added in a subscription pass which also coincided in rewards being nerfed.

Bandai Namco are the problem with the franchise.

[总是积极思考]

Originally posted by NightmareHollow:

Originally posted by Gilgamesh-sama:

It's not Bamco, it's Aquria. Bamco is just a publisher

It's the publisher. These days, they call the shots, plus the Executive Producer works for Bandai Namco, not Aquria. You can't point the finger at Aquria when they didn't develop LS, AW vs SAO or FB, none of which are any better.

It's almost like Bandai Namco aren't even trying with SAO games anymore. Look to the mobile games, it's the same problem. In ARS, they recently added in a subscription pass which also coincided in rewards being nerfed.

Bandai Namco are the problem with the franchise.

Well for me LS is bit playable and fun, although I am agree that FB is poor and boring game

As I wrote before :

- Aquria responsible for the bad coding and optimization used in the game also the mechanic that offset Boss to extreme way that is almost unbeatable (Mutated Beast level 200 and Memory Area level 300- end)

- Bandai as the publisher for lacks of testing before the game published, I recently play few other games and Man, no game ever crashed.
They also scamming through the trailers while the actual release is no where near the trailers published....

For me if People said Dynasty Warriors 9 is bad, I would put AL bellow that game as Dynasty Warriors 9 has good story and plot while AL story is poorly written...

For me the degradation level AL has especially after end story is realty deserves lots of critics, it's not even better than game released way before it...

Originally posted by ForBacon:

It is Aquria's fault that this game is hot mess. Bandai Namco is blamed because it there logo on the game, they should have preformed more quality test and check to make sure the game is up to standards like games they create from in house studio. I do blame the producer more than anyone else on this production team. The reason Futami's mind set from his words is this: if airborne flight rpg go artdink, if fps rpg game go to DIMPS, and if open world rpg go to Aquria. That mindset is something is not right there, but also depend how serious is team working on details of this game.

Current base game in 60% off only been a year which tell you a lot about how they feel about this game. I mean dlc didn't drop in price mean still developers in hot mess.

For this, imagine if SE is the one own the franchise, SAO won't be drop as far as it did now.
SE is more serious in developing their game unlike Bandai did...
I played few SE games so far and none disappoint to the level of AL did
AL is playable for me but the mechanic, Boss level (recent update) and the coding is way poorer than even game release in 2010 for example...

[NightmareHollow]

Originally posted by ForBacon:

Originally posted by Fatal Baguette:

Well Bamco is to blame, cause they're the ones that give the budget, dictate what the monetization will be, how they do updates. They call the shots on some things. The developers are just doing their jobs, trying to make do with an 8 year old cobbled together engine cause they Namco will not give them enough to fix the engine or use a better one. Yes Aquria has some fault in it, but they're working with what they got.

I doubt they were working with what they got. Aquria was part developer team for "The Caligula Effect" which ran on UE4. So they knew how UE4 works and must had access to it. I'm not 100% sure how agreement work with UE4, but it should be free to use except royalties.

Honestly from my point of view. They used same engine as HR, so they can port over old asset to make game faster. Another reason they can use old HR costumes or weapons and add them to sao shop to make more money. The proof look at the sao shop and the cube, there few weapons like that from HR. It really pure laziness of the developers not taking this arc serious.
At least anime was serious, so production team for anime of SAO Alicization did justice.

I'm pretty sure it's the publisher, not developer, who controls external monetisation. The devs implement them into the game but this industry is ruled by licensors and publishers. Besides, there are problems with games that aren't developed by Aquria. Publishers who don't get what they want from devs can threaten to, or just actually refuse to publish the game, leaving these smaller devs in limbo, plus you said it yourself, Bandai Namco should have Quality assessed the games first, but why do you think they didn't? 🤨. If Bandai Namco were so innocent, they wouldn't have allowed the game to release how it did.

[ForThatB]

Originally posted by NightmareHollow:

Originally posted by ForBacon:

I doubt they were working with what they got. Aquria was part developer team for "The Caligula Effect" which ran on UE4. So they knew how UE4 works and must had access to it. I'm not 100% sure how agreement work with UE4, but it should be free to use except royalties.

Honestly from my point of view. They used same engine as HR, so they can port over old asset to make game faster. Another reason they can use old HR costumes or weapons and add them to sao shop to make more money. The proof look at the sao shop and the cube, there few weapons like that from HR. It really pure laziness of the developers not taking this arc serious.
At least anime was serious, so production team for anime of SAO Alicization did justice.

I'm pretty sure it's the publisher, not developer, who controls external monetisation. The devs implement them into the game but this industry is ruled by licensors and publishers. Besides, there are problems with games that aren't developed by Aquria. Publishers who don't get what they want from devs can threaten to, or just actually refuse to publish the game, leaving these smaller devs in limbo, plus you said it yourself, Bandai Namco should have Quality assessed the games first, but why do you think they didn't? 🤨. If Bandai Namco were so innocent, they wouldn't have allowed the game to release how it did.

First, wrong quote. The blame was the other one.

Regarding UE4 and Aquria, which I wrote they should have experience working with the engine from working with "The Caligula Effect." Regarding HR weapons in the cube/SAO shop, you can tell it straight reusing old assets.

I explained my other comment I explain who I blame. In the end, I still blame the production team with Aquria more because Producer Futami admit later they add Medina character into game late into development cycle. Which anytime you do things at last minute never end well.

P.S. I'm still SAO fan, I do play mobile games in support for franchise and still playing this game casual, but I'm not going lie it is dead game at this point because how weak and lazy development team is showing with the content. I don't want go deeper analysis of other topics.

[Lyncher]

It's mostly Aquria for this game specifically but Bamco isn't free from some blame either. Mostly irrelevant though, blaming one more than the other doesn't really make a difference for how this game turned out. It shouldn't stop people buying any game Bamco is the publisher for though alone either. There are good games Bamco have published (couple of examples entire dark souls or several of the tales series) as well as crappy ones like this. Any publisher has good, mediocre and bad games they have published.

[总是积极思考]

Originally posted by Lyncher:

It's mostly Aquria for this game specifically but Bamco isn't free from some blame either. Mostly irrelevant though, blaming one more than the other doesn't really make a difference for how this game turned out. It shouldn't stop people buying any game Bamco is the publisher for though either. There are good games Bamco have published (couple of examples entire dark souls or several of the tales series) as well as crappy ones like this. Any publisher has good, mediocre and bad games they have published.

Like I said above, Bandai should be responsible for the testing and the scam trailers of this game.

It's really sad through, but as I said me myself also don't like the plot of Alicization Arc Anime it's really absurd.
I only like Arc I and Arc II of this franchise, therefore I disappointed with the writer of story as well as third Arc of SAO lacks of main plot story as it's too diverse and too many characters introduced too and it's really shifting from the original plot of both Aincard ARC and Alfheim ARC.
TBH I also disappointed with the FB as part of Alfheim arc as there is alot you can explore from the likes of Aincard, Alfheim or even Ordinal Scale.
FB and the entire Alicization ARC doesn't match with the original plot story of SAO esp the Alicization Arc because they thrown political aspect and national issue there.

Also there is too many alteration to the original story that's unlike for example FF VII remake which makes the story better, this alteration in SAO-AL makes the story even worse...

[Lyncher]

Originally posted by outoftheboxgaming:

Originally posted by Lyncher:

It's mostly Aquria for this game specifically but Bamco isn't free from some blame either. Mostly irrelevant though, blaming one more than the other doesn't really make a difference for how this game turned out. It shouldn't stop people buying any game Bamco is the publisher for though either. There are good games Bamco have published (couple of examples entire dark souls or several of the tales series) as well as crappy ones like this. Any publisher has good, mediocre and bad games they have published.

Like I said above, Bandai should be responsible for the testing and the scam trailers of this game.

It's really sad through, but as I said me myself also don't like the polt of Alicization Arc Anime it's really absurd.
I only like Arc I and Arc II of this franchise, therefore I disappointed with the writer of story as well as third Arc of SAO lacks of mean plot story as it's too diverse and too many characters introduced too and it's really shifting from the original plot of both Aincard ARC and Alfheim ARC.
TBH I also disappointed with the FB as part of Alfheim arc as there is alot you can explore from the likes of Aincard, Alfheim or even Ordinal Scale.
FB and the entire Alicization ARC doesn't match with the original plot story of SAO esp the Alicization Arc because they thrown political aspect and national issue there

Aside from the 1st line this is just you ranting that you don't like the story in general after Alfhiem arc. Nothing to do with the publisher or even Aquria but Reki's writing.

[总是积极思考]

Originally posted by Lyncher:

Originally posted by outoftheboxgaming:

Like I said above, Bandai should be responsible for the testing and the scam trailers of this game.

It's really sad through, but as I said me myself also don't like the polt of Alicization Arc Anime it's really absurd.
I only like Arc I and Arc II of this franchise, therefore I disappointed with the writer of story as well as third Arc of SAO lacks of mean plot story as it's too diverse and too many characters introduced too and it's really shifting from the original plot of both Aincard ARC and Alfheim ARC.
TBH I also disappointed with the FB as part of Alfheim arc as there is alot you can explore from the likes of Aincard, Alfheim or even Ordinal Scale.
FB and the entire Alicization ARC doesn't match with the original plot story of SAO esp the Alicization Arc because they thrown political aspect and national issue there

Aside from the 1st line this is just you ranting that you don't like the story in general after Alfhiem arc. Nothing to do with the publisher or even Aquria but Reki's writing.

Yes, I already wrote above regarding Aquiria and Bandai responsibility regarding this game.
I tried Dynasty Warriors 9 (it's free lol) recently that claimed to be bad and I would said DW 9 > SAO AL....
No crashed over a day play so far
although I admitted DW 8 EX gameplay still better than DW 9, so DW 8 EX > DW 9 > SAO-AL...