Are Joon and Shion just...not worth using?

[Emi (dog)]

Just got Joon and Shion in my party and looked at their skills and stuff at higher levels and are they just kinda bad? I love them both a lot and was excited to use them in my party, but Joon's skills spend all your money, and Shion just makes drop rates for money and items bad, and it seems like she reduces your attack damage too.

Obviously, it's fitting for them to do this, and I respect the dedication, but I'm wondering if that also makes them not worth using at all, or if it's the sort of thing where the downsides of their skills get less severe as they level (outside of Joon's coin toss stuff, which the game shows gets WAY worse)

[CLG]

They aren't really worth using for anything given the better options you can take. It's kind of a shame because Rie Tanaka voices Joon but using her is detrimental in most cases.

[Automaton Spy]

Sadly yeah. Minoriko too which is a shame because i like her.

[Emi (dog)]

Originally posted by CLG:

They aren't really worth using for anything given the better options you can take. It's kind of a shame because Rie Tanaka voices Joon but using her is detrimental in most cases.

Thanks for the response! Yeah, her and Shion both have really great seiyuu behind them, but...well... Ah well, I'm happy just talking to them at the shrine. Still, I admit I appreciate them just committing to what those two are about, ahaha.

Originally posted by Kzar:

Sadly yeah. Minoriko too which is a shame because i like her.

Minoriko feels pretty niche, for sure, but I still use her just because I like making food even less of a worry. Though yeah, Shizuha definitely seems more useful at a glance. Still, Minoriko's got my favorite cut-in art in the game so far!

[Lapu]

TL;DR: Minoriko gud, Kutaka great, Shiki Eiki mid, Jo'on and Shion are bootleg Hina, Shinmyoumaru is almost useful and never ever use Hecatia unless you hate yourself.


Minoriko is still quite useful for utility. Same with Kutaka. But there are some of them that are straight trash because somehow the devs decided to nerf them at their last upgrade tier which is just ????????????

For instance Hecatia. She's quite decent for the majority of the game but then if you do upgrade her to 5 stars, she does the same bs her enemy counterpart does with earth/hell/moon field buff. This wouldn't be a problem if it only affected your team members but it is literally the same effect as her enemy version. You are quite literally making the floor harder by giving some enemies harden and enhance.

Jo'on and Shion. Yeah Jo'on's debuff ability is handy and Shion can apply power seal. But say goodbye to your money if you do use them. Now if that didn't sell you because for what would you need money in this game if you have to farm the good items anyway: Hina does the same thing as both do, takes only one team slot and doesn't come with detriments making them kinda obsolete.

Shinmyoumaru just gets a 60 turn dwarf debuff on changing the floor with her 5 star upgrade. She still has some merit though if you just want her as a buff machine anyway and only need her to survive in the boss battle for like 2 turns.

Shiki EIki. Her spellcard is effective against thieves... Like when tf would I ever need this?

[Misuki]

Originally posted by Lefis:

For instance Hecatia. She's quite decent for the majority of the game but then if you do upgrade her to 5 stars, she does the same bs her enemy counterpart does with earth/hell/moon field buff. This wouldn't be a problem if it only affected your team members but it is literally the same effect as her enemy version. You are quite literally making the floor harder by giving some enemies harden and enhance.

That is not a completely horrible downside at all. Hecatia has insane damage output even without the First and Last Nameless Danmaku's effect and she rarely does it as a partner at all (and if she's a squad leader, you have completely control when to use it) and even then she destroys enemies on the floor, so just group around if that happens.

Calling decent is an understatement, she can absolutely destroy the bosses and even the final boss in the Borders of True and Fake with little effort with just 2 other squad leaders.
She has CounterAttack +100% Chance with Critical Boost, Damage Break Up and Resurrection Boost. If she's a squad leader, she has insane damage and recovery with even a basic cure seal.

The only scenario she would be hard to use would be in the team-built skin diving but even then she offers insane damage output even against big enemies she's worth the run, unless you just need more overall utility/support which she gets beaten over no doubt.

[Lapu]

Well, personally, I've built my own team all around buffs, debuffs and utility. Aya and Kaguya with triple speed, Letty with speed down, Medicine for damage over time, Kasen for enhance/harden and so on and so on. My lead team gets Kutaka for the chance to see the entire map instantly, Mokou for a portable shrine, Minoriko so I don't need food, Patche for increased danmaku power and in another team, I have Toyohime and Yukari for convenient insta kills.

Though if you wanted more tanky and strong characters themselves, you probably would use someone like Okina. Speaking of which, isn't it weird how there is only Eternity Larva and Nemuno as enemies and all the other ones from HSiFS seem to be entirely absent (where is Aunn T_T)?

[Misuki]

Originally posted by Lefis:

Well, personally, I've built my own team all around buffs, debuffs and utility. Aya and Kaguya with triple speed, Letty with speed down, Medicine for damage over time, Kasen for enhance/harden and so on and so on. My lead team gets Kutaka for the chance to see the entire map instantly, Mokou for a portable shrine, Minoriko so I don't need food, Patche for increased danmaku power and in another team, I have Toyohime and Yukari for convenient insta kills.

That is fine, since you're more focus on utility like you mentioned, but saying Hecatia is not worth to use unless you hate yourself is too much. Don't use Hecatia if you're not comfortable with being too damage oriented would be a better say, perhaps

Originally posted by Lefis:

Speaking of which, isn't it weird how there is only Eternity Larva and Nemuno as enemies and all the other ones from HSiFS seem to be entirely absent (where is Aunn T_T)?

Kinda sad, too.. Wonder why it just stopped there. Okina is a DLC, but doesn't really still sit well to me that she's not an enemy (or even a boss)