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[nnythm]

playing as a survivor is easier than infected so maybe you do sux, but you should still expect this in every game. play with friends or expert players.

[bear]

You've never completed a campaign. You shoudlnt be playing versus.

End of Story

[lediloli]

Hi.

I'm a new player on L4D2. I'd like to play on my own for a little time. I think I really need training. What must I choose in the game menu to play woth bots only ?

Thank you for your help.

Tess

[こんにちは]

Remember respect is a two way street, don't jump on to a vs game expecting others too carry you then respect you once you ruin the game and leave because you can't enjoy it simply because you didn't spend the time learning the maps or watching some youtube guides.

There is also plenty of guides in the steam guides section for learning before jumping into vs that will help newcomers.

[lediloli]

Anybody to help me, please ?

[bernanas]

I see a lot of people being total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to people with <50 hours and when I play with them, they're really good. I don't get this whole experience thing, we need to stop judging by hours and more by skill.

Also, you're a noob. You gotta be playing singleplayer for about 50 hours, and then you're probably ready for versus.

[Synchronicity]

Originally posted by The Man With No Name:

I see a lot of people being total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to people with <50 hours and when I play with them, they're really good. I don't get this whole experience thing, we need to stop judging by hours and more by skill.

Also, you're a noob. You gotta be playing singleplayer for about 50 hours, and then you're probably ready for versus.

I would find it highly suspect that when you first got this game you played single player mode for anywhere near the 50 hours your telling op to play.

OP, get a friend to go ingame with you on the same side and you're VK proof.

[Bikes]

Originally posted by Synchronicity:

Originally posted by The Man With No Name:

I see a lot of people being total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to people with <50 hours and when I play with them, they're really good. I don't get this whole experience thing, we need to stop judging by hours and more by skill.

Also, you're a noob. You gotta be playing singleplayer for about 50 hours, and then you're probably ready for versus.

I would find it highly suspect that when you first got this game you played single player mode for anywhere near the 50 hours your telling op to play.

OP, get a friend to go ingame with you on the same side and you're VK proof.

And then they'll just get rolled into the ground and end up leaving (at least that's the typical result from bad friend groups having their asses kicked)

And I agree that skill is more important but experience always helps. That's the case with anything in life. Hours is just a quick rough way to get a estimate of how good the player is, there are outliers sure, but typically a person with 1000 hours will completely curb stomp someone with 20 hours. There's also a lot of memorization in this game, which also helps the older players. That being said I never use it as the sole reason for a kick, I just check it in lobbies so I can try avoid being put on the team of new players versus the experienced players.

[bear]

Originally posted by Synchronicity:

Originally posted by The Man With No Name:

I see a lot of people being total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to people with <50 hours and when I play with them, they're really good. I don't get this whole experience thing, we need to stop judging by hours and more by skill.

Also, you're a noob. You gotta be playing singleplayer for about 50 hours, and then you're probably ready for versus.

I would find it highly suspect that when you first got this game you played single player mode for anywhere near the 50 hours your telling op to play.

OP, get a friend to go ingame with you on the same side and you're VK proof.

I spent far more hours than that before venturing into versus and low and behold when I finally did rarely got kicked. If you have to have a another friend with you to keep you ingame that should tell you something.

[Synchronicity]

Originally posted by Bikes:

Originally posted by Synchronicity:

I would find it highly suspect that when you first got this game you played single player mode for anywhere near the 50 hours your telling op to play.

OP, get a friend to go ingame with you on the same side and you're VK proof.

And then they'll just get rolled into the ground and end up leaving (at least that's the typical result from bad friend groups having their asses kicked)

And I agree that skill is more important but experience always helps. That's the case with anything in life. Hours is just a quick rough way to get a estimate of how good the player is, there are outliers sure, but typically a person with 1000 hours will completely curb stomp someone with 20 hours. There's also a lot of memorization in this game, which also helps the older players. That being said I never use it as the sole reason for a kick, I just check it in lobbies so I can try avoid being put on the team of new players versus the experienced players.

Where in my post did I ever say that they wouldn't get their asses handed to them? Nowhere that I can see, just made a legitimate observation that if he's tired of the kicks to get a friend in with him. After all that's Valves answer to enjoy VS "play with friends"

[Pinkette]

Originally posted by CLIVEBEAROWENS:

You've never completed a campaign. You shoudlnt be playing versus.

End of Story

TELL HIM GIRLFRIEND

[こんにちは]

On a personal note i spent over 500 hrs in co op [Expert realism] prior to jumping on vs mode, not that it was my goal but it was because i enjoyed co op mode the ppl in co op were more layed back and the one time i did try versus (i had 40 hrs odd of time in game) i got smashed and i knew without a doubt i was ruining my teams chances and they all were foaming at the mouth at me - which i understood and i didn't blame them for that.

When i did get into versus after about 500 + hrs i was more adept than most players and even now to this day as a survivor i have more awareness than most players in versus, you only benefit from avoiding vs until you get some time in campaign - co op mode.

[PaCMaN 凸(¬‿¬)凸]

What's worse than noobs are the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ players who delieberately troll, cross team, or kick you for absolutely the stupidest reasons. I've been kicked from versus even though I had the most points on the team and the guys who kicked me had no clue how to play. It's just ridiculous some of the reason why people get kicked. Especially lame regulars who join 2 in a group just so that they can kick teamates in game (2 votes wins in a team kick). Another problem is the 5 year old kids who want to play and have no clue what they are doing.

[Bikes]

Originally posted by PaCMaN:

What's worse than noobs are the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ players who delieberately troll, cross team, or kick you for absolutely the stupidest reasons. I've been kicked from versus even though I had the most points on the team and the guys who kicked me had no clue how to play. It's just ridiculous some of the reason why people get kicked. Especially lame regulars who join 2 in a group just so that they can kick teamates in game (2 votes wins in a team kick). Another problem is the 5 year old kids who want to play and have no clue what they are doing.

Actually it takes either 3 votes typically, if 2 people vote no it's blocked.
Also points mean next to nothing, I've incapped three survivors by myself before and ended the round with 16 points total, but I've also been completely useless before but got a ton of points by spitting on downed survivors (when no one is rescuing them, which effectively makes it pointless).

[KeAIL]

Thing is, when we started out when the game was new most ppl were noobs together barre a bit of l4d1 experience. Now most ppl got there play refined and most noobs just join, ruin the game and then leave. No one minds a new player if they help the team and dont fall behind or stupidly rush off.

This has been worse lately since it was ported to linux, still all pub games are not to be taken seriously. Hold a friends only if you really want a good game.