Phlog needs a nerf

[Conga Lyne]

It's basicly Free crits and free hp. It takes no skill at all and all you need to do is hold W and M1 while pressing M2 every few seconds and you have the top of the leader board. Please nerf this item. Any ideas on how to nerf this item?

best nerf ideas so far:
The Pinnacle Of Crayon's ~ Minicrits instead of crits.

[Satsujin Jiken]

Not sure if troll...

[Conga Lyne]

Originalmente postado por Satsujin Jiken:

Not sure if troll...

The phlog is broken. It's free crits for playing pyro.

[DefectiveCrayon]

If this is a troll thread, I'll play along.

What if it still healed you, but, the damage output is Mini-Crits instead of Full-Crits?

[Conga Lyne]

Originalmente postado por The Pinnacle Of Crayon's:

If this is a troll thread, I'll play along.

What if it still healed you, but, the damage output is Mini-Crits instead of Full-Crits?

I'd find the minicrits balanced but this isn't a troll thread

[Eve Hawthorne]

Originalmente postado por Achmed the Dead Terrorist:

The phlog is broken. It's free crits for playing pyro.

So is the backburner? I'm not sure I understand that assessment.

Originalmente postado por The Pinnacle Of Crayon's:

If this is a troll thread, I'll play along.

What if it still healed you, but, the damage output is Mini-Crits instead of Full-Crits?

The healing isn't even really the problem, it's the full crits, and maybe the absurd resistance. (I know it was knocked down from 90% to 75%, but I'd make it as low as 50%)

[Skovahn]

Originalmente postado por Achmed the Dead Terrorist:

It takes no skill at all and all you need to do is hold W and M1 while pressing M2 every few seconds and you have the top of the leader board.

Ok, apply that to any of the other classes, now do you see your mistake? Any and every class can w+m1. Should every class and every weapon be nerfed? No. Stay out of a phlog pyros range and guess what! No crits or health for him.

[Eve Hawthorne]

Originalmente postado por Noble Hatter's Violet:

Originalmente postado por Achmed the Dead Terrorist:

It takes no skill at all and all you need to do is hold W and M1 while pressing M2 every few seconds and you have the top of the leader board.

Ok, apply that to any of the other classes, now do you see your mistake? Any and every class can w+m1. Should every class and every weapon be nerfed? No. Stay out of a phlog pyros range and guess what! No crits or health for him.

Phlog pyro can generate mmph with a scorch shot or a flare gun, so the range thing applies to a lesser degree.

EDIT: Or detonator

[Skovahn]

Originalmente postado por Frozen Today:

Originalmente postado por Noble Hatter's Violet:

Ok, apply that to any of the other classes, now do you see your mistake? Any and every class can w+m1. Should every class and every weapon be nerfed? No. Stay out of a phlog pyros range and guess what! No crits or health for him.

Phlog pyro can generate mmph with a scorch shot or a flare gun, so the range thing applies to a lesser degree.

EDIT: Or detonator

Slow moving projectiles that are pretty easy to dodge, even with the AoE of the Scorch Shot and Detonator.

[Conga Lyne]

Originalmente postado por Noble Hatter's Violet:

Originalmente postado por Frozen Today:

Phlog pyro can generate mmph with a scorch shot or a flare gun, so the range thing applies to a lesser degree.

EDIT: Or detonator

Slow moving projectiles that are pretty easy to dodge, even with the AoE of the Scorch Shot and Detonator.

It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.

[Skovahn]

Originalmente postado por Achmed the Dead Terrorist:

Originalmente postado por Noble Hatter's Violet:

Slow moving projectiles that are pretty easy to dodge, even with the AoE of the Scorch Shot and Detonator.

It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.

That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.

[Conga Lyne]

Originalmente postado por Noble Hatter's Violet:

Originalmente postado por Achmed the Dead Terrorist:

It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.

That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.

The average server has a good everything and a bad everything. You will have snipers who quick-scope and snipers who stand still permanantly zoomed in.

[Eve Hawthorne]

Originalmente postado por Noble Hatter's Violet:

Originalmente postado por Achmed the Dead Terrorist:

It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.

That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.

I don't want the impression to come across that I think the Pyro is overpowered, I really don't think that. I do however think the phlogistonator is too good at what it does. Yes it has counters, and that's why it isn't "OP."

[Conga Lyne]

Originalmente postado por Frozen Today:

Originalmente postado por Noble Hatter's Violet:

That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.

I don't want the impression to come across that I think the Pyro is overpowered, I really don't think that. I do however think the phlogistonator is too good at what it does. Yes it has counters, and that's why it isn't "OP."

It's OP as hell. It just takes 225 damage to give you:
A: free crits
and
B: full hp

seems legit

[Skovahn]

Originalmente postado por Achmed the Dead Terrorist:

Originalmente postado por Noble Hatter's Violet:

That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.

The average server has a good everything and a bad everything. You will have snipers who quick-scope and snipers who stand still permanantly zoomed in.

Just because there are bad players doesn't mean the Phlog is OP. No weapon is truely OP; yes some are obviously a lot better than their counterparts that could do with rebalancing, but its the skill level of the user that makes certain weapons seem OP.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Give the powerjack's negative to the pyro's phlog. Now he will have to actually fight for the crits properly.