"SUCK IT"

[Cleric]

I've noticed that the top time on every single mission is some impossibly quick time (e.g. Half the time of 2nd place and six times quicker than 3rd) and is always invariably labeled "SUCK IT." Surely this is somebody who has hacked either the game or the scoring system. It'd be nice if you saved replays along with your scores, because I honestly can't see some of the harder levels being completed in 20 seconds.

[randosity]

im guessing 20 seconds is about what it takes to create and charge a nullifier, so im guessing there is some exploit or hack that allows people to make nullifiers invincible or have infinite range or something

[dj8472]

it takes about 30 sec to build a nullifier, if you want to know the real best time in campaign, i believe Alter old holds most of the real top scores
edit: it also takes about 20-30 sec to charge the nullifier

[75Karsten]

Just FYI; Virgil is out of pocket for a few days this weekend. I'll give him a heads-up for when he returns. :) You can also create a post at his support forum where he'll be sure to see it sooner. http://knucklecracker.com/forums/index.php?board=2.0

From time to time Virgil goes through and cleans out verifuable bogus scores or offensive poster names. He reacts more often when these things are brought to his attention.

[Misery]

I was wondering about this one. There seem to be ALOT of impossible scores on those boards.

Granted I'm not the best judge as I'm new to this and tend to slowly cover the map in stuff, but still.

[CaractacusRex]

Suck It is an absolute hack. Absolutely no way some of those scores are real.

[Kleph]

I haven't seen Suck It, but I've seen other scores of maps supposedly completed in under a minute. The only explanation is hacks, because even if a nullifier could charge in 30 seconds and be near enough to an emitter to be placed, there are often more emitters than command nodes that can be used, so even if a nullifier was next to the emitters and getting charged, it wouldn't work because it would have to charge several nullifiers, and also have weapons set up to defend the nullifer.

[Carasio]

This game doesn't support VAC so yes, I'd say these people find funny to hack the game and ruin healthy competitiveness.

[GC13]

How good are the legit times? Because if it takes me twenty minutes to complete a level, I'll give you a big allowance for me playing quite sub-optimally, but I have a hard time believing that it took at least twenty people less than two minutes to win the map.

[Carasio]

Yeah, I would also like to know that, but it's very difficult, if not impossible. Cheaters are mixed among the legit players on the leaderboards... you can just think of what others mentioned. How long it takes for stuff to build up in 1x speed, then add up a minimum amount of stuff you need to build to get to the inhibit, etc. Call me a noob, but less than 2 mins seems too little time for most maps, at least to me.

[BlaXpirit]

Almost all the games that have leaderboards, have fake entries in them. There is no way around that.
If it runs on someone's computer, it can be cracked. And if the game sends only the time to the server, well, it's almost effortless.

This is a topic not often discussed... but there may be a way to make scoreboards quite secure. And it is to save full replays and then simulate them on the server.
But nobody does that.

[Carasio]

Wouldn't it be possible to implement VAC on CW3? I guess not, as I understand that's a routine which executes while you are playing, not after playing and submitting your score. Anyway, how is determined which game has VAC and which one hasn't?

[Mishon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat#Games_that_support_VAC

[Carasio]

Originally posted by Mishon V-M:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat#Games_that_support_VAC

Thank you :) That does not answer my question though

[pawel_stopa]

The times under a minute are ussualy a hack. Times above that, around 4~5 min are ussualy real times.It depends on the mission. You can tell the reall times form the hacked times form the number of near equal times. Ussualy it goes like this: Hacked tiems(1-3 players)---top times(2-5 players)---rest of the players. There was a disscusion on the forums about this and some of the players that hold the top times of many missions wrote there, so you can know at least some legit times. It's not werird for a time that's 4 times farster than yours to be legit, some players manage really incredible times.

[Omnituens]

It's even more annoying as there is a scoreboard achievement - something that is genrally a bad idea. As a result, this achievement is pretty much impossible to get.