The MG08/15 Hip Fire

[Marcus Grabfood]

I know it's a bit ridiculous for the devs due to their strictness in historical accuracy but some of us would love to see if we can wield this badass gun in hipfire mode in the future
Just like what C&Rsenal did in this video, how cool it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ljv0VZ1R8U

[Jack Clock]

Sorry buddy, I already tried asking, but the developers are afraid of change.

[Marcus Grabfood]

Originally posted by Z El Zorro:

Sorry buddy, I already tried asking, but the developers are afraid of change.

I know, I remember reading probably your post or maybe others, the only reason for that I'm sure lies in the balancing problem
But even with the intense rate of fire and big sh*tload of ammo, they can counter that by making a hipfire version with very little accuracy or even slow the players down, still you need a hand glove or a piece cover to not make your hand BBQed :-D
Still, what shows in the video looks awesome though

[Jack Clock]

Originally posted by Coc:

Originally posted by Z El Zorro:

Sorry buddy, I already tried asking, but the developers are afraid of change.

I know, I remember reading probably your post or maybe others, the only reason for that I'm sure lies in the balancing problem
But even with the intense rate of fire, they can counter that by making a hipfire version with very little accuracy or even slow the players down, still you need a hand glove or a piece cover to not make your hand BBQed :-D
Still, what shows in the video looks awesome though

Well... that's what I said, but alas, it still won't happen.

[Aquanaut]

Originally posted by Jack Clock:

Sorry buddy, I already tried asking, but the developers are afraid of change.

Change? Have balance or realism ever crossed your mind?

[Jack Clock]

Originally posted by Aniallator:

Originally posted by Jack Clock:

Sorry buddy, I already tried asking, but the developers are afraid of change.

Change? Have balance or realism ever crossed your mind?

First of all, Verdun is not realistic in the slightest. I just spent my last three game hopping over peoples heads and mowing them down with a Chauchat. Besides, the MG-08/15 can be held. The German soldier in third person does it flawlessly.

Second of all, both the OP and I have given out balancing features to the weapon, including recoil, more hits to kill, slower firerate, slower sprinting speed, ect.

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Jack Clock:

Originally posted by Aniallator:

Change? Have balance or realism ever crossed your mind?

First of all, Verdun is not realistic in the slightest. I just spent my last three game hopping over peoples heads and mowing them down with a Chauchat. Besides, the MG-08/15 can be held. The German soldier in third person does it flawlessly.

Second of all, both the OP and I have given out balancing features to the weapon, including recoil, more hits to kill, slower firerate, slower sprinting speed, ect.

There's unrealistic mechanics but they haven't added things to the weapons that didn't exist or weren't used.

[Aquanaut]

Originally posted by Jack Clock:

First of all, Verdun is not realistic in the slightest. I just spent my last three game hopping over peoples heads and mowing them down with a Chauchat.

Verdun isn't realistic in the slightest, eh? So bullet drop, accurate weapon reloads, limited stamina, breath holding, PiP scopes... none of these are realistic? Okay, man, sure.

The Chauchat weighs 20 pounds. The MG08/15 weighs twice that and is significantly more awkward in shape.

Originally posted by Jack Clock:

Besides, the MG-08/15 can be held. The German soldier in third person does it flawlessly.

Second of all, both the OP and I have given out balancing features to the weapon, including recoil, more hits to kill, slower firerate, slower sprinting speed, ect.

The only one of those that's not unrealistic is slower sprinting speed, and you can't sprint with the MG08/15 anyway, so...

You don't seem to appreciate balance. Entente MGs would have nothing on the German ones if you could hipfire latter, and if you think German soldiers during WW1 walked with their MG08/15s ready to hipfire all the time you're sorely mistaken.

[S Compton]

the game isint realistic nor is it an arcade shooter its one of the maine reasons the game is dying.

[Jack Clock]

Originally posted by Aniallator:

Originally posted by Jack Clock:

First of all, Verdun is not realistic in the slightest. I just spent my last three game hopping over peoples heads and mowing them down with a Chauchat.

Verdun isn't realistic in the slightest, eh? So bullet drop, accurate weapon reloads, limited stamina, breath holding, PiP scopes... none of these are realistic? Okay, man, sure.

The Chauchat weighs 20 pounds. The MG08/15 weighs twice that and is significantly more awkward in shape.

Originally posted by Jack Clock:

Besides, the MG-08/15 can be held. The German soldier in third person does it flawlessly.

Second of all, both the OP and I have given out balancing features to the weapon, including recoil, more hits to kill, slower firerate, slower sprinting speed, ect.

The only one of those that's not unrealistic is slower sprinting speed, and you can't sprint with the MG08/15 anyway, so...

You don't seem to appreciate balance. Entente MGs would have nothing on the German ones if you could hipfire latter, and if you think German soldiers during WW1 walked with their MG08/15s ready to hipfire all the time you're sorely mistaken.

Bullet drop is barely a feature. It almost never effects the game. Recon squads get unlimited stamina, and the stamina itself should deplete after doing anything for realism. Breath holding is hilariously arcadey, and I have no clue what PiP means.

Yes, the Chauchat weighs 20 pouds, but the Lewis gun is way more and can still do the same thing a Chauchat can.

You can sprint with an MG-08/15. Stop playing lame arty squads and branch out.

As I have said, the game is unrealistic. Besides, the Chauchat fires faster when bipoded, and I do not see why it could not apply to the German gun. Plus, recoil is a thing too.

German soldiers have used the MG-08/15 as a hipfire weapon. It was indeed very awkward and clunky, but it was used. And seeing as how there is no evidence of the Madsen gun ever being hipfired but it is still used like that, then there is no reason why the MG-08/15 could not be either.

Besides, if we want to count out the 08/15, we still have the MG-15 and MG-08/18, which are much lighter. The MG-15 was built as a counter to the Lewis gun, and was most likely used like one.

https://i.redd.it/47tvb8gbhsoy.png

[Aquanaut]

Originally posted by El Zorro:

Bullet drop is barely a feature. It almost never effects the game. Recon squads get unlimited stamina, and the stamina itself should deplete after doing anything for realism. Breath holding is hilariously arcadey, and I have no clue what PiP means.

Yes, the Chauchat weighs 20 pouds, but the Lewis gun is way more and can still do the same thing a Chauchat can.

You can sprint with an MG-08/15. Stop playing lame arty squads and branch out.

As I have said, the game is unrealistic. Besides, the Chauchat fires faster when bipoded, and I do not see why it could not apply to the German gun. Plus, recoil is a thing too.

German soldiers have used the MG-08/15 as a hipfire weapon. It was indeed very awkward and clunky, but it was used. And seeing as how there is no evidence of the Madsen gun ever being hipfired but it is still used like that, then there is no reason why the MG-08/15 could not be either.

Besides, if we want to count out the 08/15, we still have the MG-15 and MG-08/18, which are much lighter. The MG-15 was built as a counter to the Lewis gun, and was most likely used like one.

https://i.redd.it/47tvb8gbhsoy.png

Bullet drop is "barely a feature" because it's realistic; this isn't BF1 where you have to compensate half a meter to hit someone 100 m away. Only high level recon squads have unlimited stamina. What's "hilariously arcadey" about being able to steady your weapon for a short time? PiP means picture-in-picture, double rendering.

Way more? Dude, the Chauchat weighs 20 pounds and the Lewis weighs 28, and the MG08/15 is still significantly more awkward in shape than both of them.

You can only sprint with the MG08/15 in high level infantry squads, and only within the NCO's aura... meaning about 5% of the time.

The game is not unrealistic, if you want to know what unrealistic feels like try CS:GO. The Chauchat does not fire faster when bipoded. You know why a faster fire rate couldn't apply to the German gun? Because it's not realistic.

What makes you think German soldiers hipfired MG08/15s often enough for it to be a feature? The photo you linked is from World War II, and it's a training photo, not a photo near combat. You seem certain that MG08/15s were hipfired and say there's no evidence that Madsens were, implying that there is evidence that MG08/15s were... so I'm curious to see it. And because it evidently isn't obvious, the Madsen - like the Chauchat and Lewis - is a much lighter and less awkward weapon than the MG08/15 (it's only 20 pounds). Of course it's reasonable to assume it was hipfired.

The only ones I could possibly see being hipfired are the 15nA and the 08/18, but given the imbalance that would create I wouldn't be sure. It would effectively turn them into hipfire MP18s with 100 rounds.

[[Nr.2] Katti [Maj a.D.]]

Use the Madsen hipfirering! Perfect squad for doing this. The main Job of MG in Schützen and Landser is to give distance fire, Cover fire ans fire Support. If u use this as Rambo it is only fun but bad for your squad.

[Aquanaut]

Originally posted by Nr.2 Katti OGefr:

Use the Madsen hipfirering! Perfect squad for doing this. The main Job of MG in Schützen and Landser is to give distance fire, Cover fire ans fire Support. If u use this as Rambo it is only fun but bad for your squad.

Exactly!

[Kohle]

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[Jack Clock]

Originally posted by Aniallator:

Originally posted by El Zorro:

Bullet drop is barely a feature. It almost never effects the game. Recon squads get unlimited stamina, and the stamina itself should deplete after doing anything for realism. Breath holding is hilariously arcadey, and I have no clue what PiP means.

Yes, the Chauchat weighs 20 pouds, but the Lewis gun is way more and can still do the same thing a Chauchat can.

You can sprint with an MG-08/15. Stop playing lame arty squads and branch out.

As I have said, the game is unrealistic. Besides, the Chauchat fires faster when bipoded, and I do not see why it could not apply to the German gun. Plus, recoil is a thing too.

German soldiers have used the MG-08/15 as a hipfire weapon. It was indeed very awkward and clunky, but it was used. And seeing as how there is no evidence of the Madsen gun ever being hipfired but it is still used like that, then there is no reason why the MG-08/15 could not be either.

Besides, if we want to count out the 08/15, we still have the MG-15 and MG-08/18, which are much lighter. The MG-15 was built as a counter to the Lewis gun, and was most likely used like one.

https://i.redd.it/47tvb8gbhsoy.png

Bullet drop is "barely a feature" because it's realistic; this isn't BF1 where you have to compensate half a meter to hit someone 100 m away. Only high level recon squads have unlimited stamina. What's "hilariously arcadey" about being able to steady your weapon for a short time? PiP means picture-in-picture, double rendering.

Way more? Dude, the Chauchat weighs 20 pounds and the Lewis weighs 28, and the MG08/15 is still significantly more awkward in shape than both of them.

You can only sprint with the MG08/15 in high level infantry squads, and only within the NCO's aura... meaning about 5% of the time.

The game is not unrealistic, if you want to know what unrealistic feels like try CS:GO. The Chauchat does not fire faster when bipoded. You know why a faster fire rate couldn't apply to the German gun? Because it's not realistic.

What makes you think German soldiers hipfired MG08/15s often enough for it to be a feature? The photo you linked is from World War II, and it's a training photo, not a photo near combat. You seem certain that MG08/15s were hipfired and say there's no evidence that Madsens were, implying that there is evidence that MG08/15s were... so I'm curious to see it. And because it evidently isn't obvious, the Madsen - like the Chauchat and Lewis - is a much lighter and less awkward weapon than the MG08/15 (it's only 20 pounds). Of course it's reasonable to assume it was hipfired.

The only ones I could possibly see being hipfired are the 15nA and the 08/18, but given the imbalance that would create I wouldn't be sure. It would effectively turn them into hipfire MP18s with 100 rounds.

Bullet drop is unrealistic because the rifles are laser guns basically. I have had a zillion instances where I have been able to longshot people with a pistol. Recon squads still have unlimited sprint, making it unrealistic. The sprinting mechanic is also very unrealistic, as you run out of breath hella fast. The way the hold breath works is arcadey, as I have been able to hold it for one second and shoot, allowing me to retain my accuracy.

You can still sprint with the MG-08/15 in low-level sentry squads.

The Chauchat does fire faster when bipoded. I know this because I use it almost all the time lately. It is not realistic yes, but it is a feature the developers have.

I think the 15' and 18' could be hipfired, and it would not be imbalanced. The other rambo guns are VERY innacurate, and while it would be very good close quarters, it would run out of ammo fast, be even more innacurate than the Lewis gun, and have no ADS like the other rambo guns. The MP18 has ADS and more accuracy, and a faster reload. The MG-15 and 08/18 don't.

[Jack Clock]

Originally posted by Nr.2 Katti OGefr:

Use the Madsen hipfirering! Perfect squad for doing this. The main Job of MG in Schützen and Landser is to give distance fire, Cover fire ans fire Support. If u use this as Rambo it is only fun but bad for your squad.

Come on man, I have already hipfired the Madsen a zillion times. The Germans need a new rambo gun, as I have used all three of the Entente ones.