Internal Religious Opinion

[tiberiansun371alexw]

Hypothetically, suppose I have a high abiltiy court chaplin and I'm dead set on improving religious relations with my own religious vassals. As a catholic king I have as direct vassals

A prince-bishop kinsman with +30 opinion of me, holds 3 counties with bishoprics as capitals and one bishopric in the capital of his de jure duke. He is catholic and would still pay me taxes if I tryannicaly imprisioned a vassal besides him since he has issues with the Pope. Stewardship 35, unusally high. Currently a cardinal. He's the new court chaplin after a courtier in the position died.

A norse/germanic high priestess with +32 opinion of me, holds 3 counties with temples as capitals and a temple in a foreign realm that is 4 counties away from my realm (the county of the temple is owned by a count with a different topleige).

A misaphysite prince-bishop half brother with +31 opinion of me depsite being a stupid zealot. He hold 3 counties with bishoprics as capitals and a bishopric inside one of his counties.

A prince-bishoprice with -30 opinion of me. He has a county. A barony under him directly reports to me, which he doens't like. If I transferred the baron, he would still like the Pope 33 more than me despite losing the hog modifier and getting a new vassal. he is a catholic.

1 baron level rabbi kinsman. Has +90 opinion of me thanks to sympathy for judism.

6 baron level bishops with opinions ranging from -30 to +100. 3 are kinsmen. 2 kinsmen are cardinals. All kinsmen and one other pay me.

So... who should I sic the corut chaplin on? Wrong religion is the obvious target, but let's say for the next 30 years or until the character dies (whichever is first) the main goal of the court chaplin is to get those taxes from temple/bishop vassals.

[Cryten]

If your creating a bunch of theocracies keep in mind that you have drastically reduces your realms man power. Since all the baronies have to pass through a wrong holding type penalty before hitting the bishops who then could withhold all troops if they dont like you more then the pope. You leave yourself open to the whims of the ever changing papal elections and random church investigure.

[tiberiansun371alexw]

Originally posted by Cryten:

If your creating a bunch of theocracies keep in mind that you have drastically reduces your realms man power. Since all the baronies have to pass through a wrong holding type penalty before hitting the bishops who then could withhold all troops if they dont like you more then the pope. You leave yourself open to the whims of the ever changing papal elections and random church investigure.

More like "inherit" theocracies. Richard III of England inherited three more kingdoms in his lifetime from the mother's side. The wife is an independent countess with 3 counties, a barony, and a claim of Navarra, so I'm going to inherit more territory, noble held this time. Note that 75% of vassal counties are held by nobles and I have my own demense lands, which are obviously noble held.

What do you mean "wrong holding penalty"? The bishops are holding bishoprics, not baronies.

I don't plan on any tyranny. So which vassal should I make liek me more?

[Cryten]

You said prince bishops, so they have baronies under them, who dont like being ruled by bishops.

[tiberiansun371alexw]

Originally posted by Cryten:

You said prince bishops, so they have baronies under them, who dont like being ruled by bishops.

Really? I thoguht it was counts who didn't like being ruled by prince-archbishop, prince-bishops who didn't like bieng under dukes or bings, but since my own bihsops don't mind bieng ruled by counts/dukes/kings, I tohught the barons wouldn't mind.

And I'm taking your advice at not creaitng more theocracies, but I'll keep the ones I inherited.

Anyways, which of my theocracies should I try to improve lations with? The prince-bishop kinsman who is a cardinal? One of the baron level bisshops? The priest?

[Doc]

Institute religious control mandate, jack the titles from the heretics and infidels, give them to feudal vassals who will like you more simply because you have the right government type and religion (except the Jew, because he's both harmless and it sounds like a golden RP opportunity).
Try to provoke the dickish prince-bishop into rebellion, or best case, spy on him and imprison him to jack his title. He is a problem, and needs to be removed. Put the baron in control of the county.
Best case scenario is proselytizing to the half-brother and getting him to become a Catholic instead (if you can't revoke from him); if you're dead-set on improving relations, I'd prioritize the strongest vassal over the rest of them-if you can make him a Prince-Archbishop, do that (especially if he will gain no new territories) and then focus on bringing down the rest, because honestly theocracies are a waste of territory. If you have to take the wrong government penalty, then make Merchant Republics instead, at least they give you money, instead of nothing.

[tiberiansun371alexw]

Originally posted by Doc:

Institute religious control mandate, jack the titles from the heretics and infidels, give them to feudal vassals who will like you more simply because you have the right government type and religion (except the Jew, because he's both harmless and it sounds like a golden RP opportunity).
Try to provoke the dickish prince-bishop into rebellion, or best case, spy on him and imprison him to jack his title. He is a problem, and needs to be removed. Put the baron in control of the county.
Best case scenario is proselytizing to the half-brother and getting him to become a Catholic instead (if you can't revoke from him); if you're dead-set on improving relations, I'd prioritize the strongest vassal over the rest of them-if you can make him a Prince-Archbishop, do that (especially if he will gain no new territories) and then focus on bringing down the rest, because honestly theocracies are a waste of territory. If you have to take the wrong government penalty, then make Merchant Republics instead, at least they give you money, instead of nothing.

Relgiious contral whaaaa? DLC only thing? I don't have horse lords and I'm a noble anyways. It's only Old Gods, Sons of Abraham, Way of Life, and Rome. Also, crown autority is damn too low to revoke titles from heritics and infidels The primary title ha high crown authority, but the heritics and infidels are in the 4 secodnary kingdoms with low crown athuority, outside my de jure realm in a kingdom with low crown autority, or in Normandy (part of France which has... no crown autoirty) which means no revoking even on traitors.

I'll get the dickish prince-bishopric in a imprison cell (or maybe a luxury prision suite with more suitable acomodations) as soon as I have an excuse. The baron will love me when he becomes a count. He's chaste and his hier is his half brother and a corutier who is of my dynasty, so that looks like a good choice.

Ok, I'll focus on the half brother. the court chaplin can get a random religious leader to like me +40 (it works even though he's the wrong type of christianity oddly). He can succefully proselytize, which will make the prince-bishop like me more since the zelous -50 won't apply. Once he's catholic, the +40 will proc triple as often. I guess extracting more money from him matters more than getting the normal bishops tinside my counties to pay. This seems logical.

My three most powerful rpince bishoprics are each are actually giving me more money than Venice (the duchy, I have the kingdom of Venice my only kingdom that has less than 3 de jure duchies), my only non noble, non tribal, non theocratic, higher than baron vassal. They have control of 3 zones and are paying me less than any of my counts that have at least 3 counties and less than three of my counts that have ONE county! Might have to do with the dodge being Lollard, refusing to give claim on a count who tired to kill him, me revoking his other duchy last rebellion, my attempt to murder his wife (hey... she tried to kill me first and she's independent so i cna't jail her) ,or me killing his son. Some people outside my realm need to die, so I'm not going off the dodge myself anytime soon. I don't ned advice on Venice, I'm focused on my theocratic vassals for thi post. My other attention is courtier claims and inheritance and I know how to deal with those.

I'm not making any more thoecracies or merchant republics. I might press their claims if it is convivnent, but I have no intention or making more. When I go over my demense limit, I will create counts or give them to my feudal kinsmen vassals. I didn't make them in the first place, I inherited their leiges' titles over time, so it wasn't my decision making.When I go over my demense limit, I will create counts or give them to my feudal kinsmen vassals. I don't intend to destroy the theocracies either, except that dickish prince-bishopric who wants that baron. He needs to go. I'm going to find an imprisionment excuse. My point being tihs paragraph is that I didn't make these theocracies.

Thanks for your advice. The other guy just said creating theocracies will weaken my realm and I know that already. I inherited them (except the normal bishops in my counties... actuallly some are inherited too) and I want get more taxes from them.

[Doc]

Oh, Religious Control is from Conclave, it's part of the new laws to replace crown laws.
Med CA is probably superior in the sense that it also prohibits wars between vassals, which isn't a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ option in Conclave except with 'Realm Peace'. Because obviously I'd rather actively make a decision to keep my vassals from murdering each other that isn't active more than half the time than just keep them from murdering each other forever.
If you create an Empire title, however, you should be good to go, since the Empire title should be enough to count as High CA, or if not then at least de jure drift will let you get rid of the theocracies in 100 years.