Drop in performance

[alex_day3]

Hi,

Ive had CK2 for quite a while and played without any issues. i havent played in a few weeks and ive deceided to return to my latest game but its so laggy! and im talking in the menus before i even load a game up. i can see that the oceans are much more "shiny" than i remember. Has there been an update that could have affected performace whilst i was away? my pc isnt great but to not even be able to make it through the menus seems extreme. Anyone else have this issue?

[alex_day3]

anyone? even if you could point me in the right direction to get it fixed would be great?

[[BD] Crocve]

Yeah, I am also suffering from such problems, after not playing a lot for some time. The games takes more than 10 minutes to load and the framerate is so bad that makes the gmae unplayable.

[Varainger]

Originally posted by StupidSexyCrocve:

Yeah, I am also suffering from such problems, after not playing a lot for some time. The games takes more than 10 minutes to load and the framerate is so bad that makes the gmae unplayable.

Necro !

A good example why necroposting makes no sense most of the time.

Patch 2.6x improved performance quite a bit, but was released later, in august.
If the game takes 10 minutes to load, then your hardware is the problem.

[Panicsferd]

Originally posted by Varainger:

Originally posted by StupidSexyCrocve:

Yeah, I am also suffering from such problems, after not playing a lot for some time. The games takes more than 10 minutes to load and the framerate is so bad that makes the gmae unplayable.

NECRO !

A good example why necroposting makes no sense most of the time.

Patch 2.6x improved performance quite a bit, but was released later, in august.
If the game takes 10 minutes to load, then your hardware is the problem.

Well not necessarily, since I noticed myself the game runs pretty find whne you first start out (and depending on the start date) it seems to really slow down and take a long time to save and possibly load once you reach like 1100 (at least for me since I start at old gods or charlamagne start)

That is the only issue I have myself... I get good frames and stuff during that but when it gets those autosaves in january, july - it can sometimes take up to 2-3 minuntes for each autosave to actually save.

[Random]

2-3 minutes for a save O_o I start in 769 and it takes like 5 seconds to save my stuff when I have an empire blob that spans 3/4 of the continent in the year 1300 (500 years after start).

Pretty sure its a hardware issue. Like I played the game on a quad core etc previously and sure it chunked end game (never 3 minutes) but after upgrading my comp early last year on the cheap, the game runs great.

Also since reapers due the performance vastly increased, it is very noticable end game compared to what it was prior. You may want to invest in a new HDD, it sounds like you have some WD green 5400 rpm PoS that is on its last legs and cant write a 100mb save file at a decent pace (3 minutes makes that 550KB/s)

[[BD] Crocve]

Forget it - apparently, my drivers weren´t updating automatically, so I went to update them - now, the game runs smooth again. :P (I also did some defrag, but I don´t know if that is what fixed it for me)

[Varainger]

Sorry if my necropost warning was maybe a bit harsh.

Originally posted by StupidSexyCrocve:

Forget it - apparently, my drivers weren´t updating automatically, so I went to update them - now, the game runs smooth again. :P (I also did some defrag, but I don´t know if that is what fixed it for me)

Most likely the defrag then. I recall using MyDefrag (The monthly option) maybe a handful of times on Win7 and on a slow WD green and that did wonders. Afterwards i let Windows do its thing again, but i suppose the different rearrangement of files by path and zone helped that even Windows own can't mess it up again.

The in theory fastest HD slows down to hell if one relies on Windows own defrag.

@Panicsferd
Basics: More characters (alive and dead), slower game, bigger save file.
Apart from that and tech reasons, don't play without vassals (aka North Korea mode) and it's recommended to not always land your dynasty, to prevent it from growing too much,
as if i recall correcty the succession checks are going for all members of a dynasty, so one realy huge dynasty can slow down the game a lot.

[Panicsferd]

Originally posted by Random:

2-3 minutes for a save O_o I start in 769 and it takes like 5 seconds to save my stuff when I have an empire blob that spans 3/4 of the continent in the year 1300 (500 years after start).

Pretty sure its a hardware issue. Like I played the game on a quad core etc previously and sure it chunked end game (never 3 minutes) but after upgrading my comp early last year on the cheap, the game runs great.

Also since reapers due the performance vastly increased, it is very noticable end game compared to what it was prior. You may want to invest in a new HDD, it sounds like you have some WD green 5400 rpm PoS that is on its last legs and cant write a 100mb save file at a decent pace (3 minutes makes that 550KB/s)

Do you happen to have a SSD? since I heard that can make the save times go quicker, for me during the game itself and I am pretty blobbed out as well... it only gets laggy during the saves like after 1100 and sometimes it slows down... like when I have it on full speed it acts like speed 3.

[shiggies713]

I have a Toshiba 480gb ssd and just out of curiosity fired up the game while i was waiting on someone I was playing Shogun 2 with. With Shogun 2 running, (and obviously ck2) the january and july saves don't even take 1 second, it can barely even distinquish a slow down tbh.

I also have a i7 6700 though too, pretty new build.

[Panicsferd]

Originally posted by shiggies713:

I have a Toshiba 480gb ssd and just out of curiosity fired up the game while i was waiting on someone I was playing Shogun 2 with. With Shogun 2 running, (and obviously ck2) the january and july saves don't even take 1 second, it can barely even distinquish a slow down tbh.

I also have a i7 6700 though too, pretty new build.

My build isn't fairly new, but it was pretty good when I bought it like 4 years ago.

AMD 8350 4.0Ghz
8GB Ram
7870 2GB OC Edition
A WD HDD (don't remember the RPM)

and for me it runs fine in-game and I am in the middle of my second long game from the viking start date to currently 1357 and for me it only seems to be slow/laggy when I move the map around when the game is running and then it can take awhile to save during jan/july.

That is currently my only issue, and what I figure is it must be the harddrive since it takes while for it to save and that is why I have to wait the 1-2 minutes or whatnot.

[Random]

yep, hdd write speed issue. hard drives do become slower over time, its simple wear and tear.

Also if your hard drive is running near capacity this will severly hamper performance also.

The game will drop slightly in speed in the final century or 2 depending on your view (ie your empire is 3/4 of the map) that is just normal. However the drop prior to the performance update around reapers was like from 4 speed to 1, and now its 4 to 3. very noticible increase in performance for megablobs.

all the save is doing is taking data from Ram (fast) to MB (fast) to Hdd (fast) to Hdd (bottleneck).

Hard drive read and write speed has been the bottle neck of modern computers for the last decade.

[Panicsferd]

Originally posted by Random:

yep, hdd write speed issue. hard drives do become slower over time, its simple wear and tear.

Also if your hard drive is running near capacity this will severly hamper performance also.

The game will drop slightly in speed in the final century or 2 depending on your view (ie your empire is 3/4 of the map) that is just normal. However the drop prior to the performance update around reapers was like from 4 speed to 1, and now its 4 to 3. very noticible increase in performance for megablobs.

all the save is doing is taking data from Ram (fast) to MB (fast) to Hdd (fast) to Hdd (bottleneck).

Hard drive read and write speed has been the bottle neck of modern computers for the last decade.

Yeah that is what I noticed, my empire isn't that big but there is a ai empire that really is blobbing and for me speed 4 is like speed 3, but then the saving is what takes a lot of time... but that is probably the slow hard drive and whatnot.

[jfoytek]

Originally posted by Panicsferd:

Originally posted by Random:

2-3 minutes for a save O_o I start in 769 and it takes like 5 seconds to save my stuff when I have an empire blob that spans 3/4 of the continent in the year 1300 (500 years after start).

Pretty sure its a hardware issue. Like I played the game on a quad core etc previously and sure it chunked end game (never 3 minutes) but after upgrading my comp early last year on the cheap, the game runs great.

Also since reapers due the performance vastly increased, it is very noticable end game compared to what it was prior. You may want to invest in a new HDD, it sounds like you have some WD green 5400 rpm PoS that is on its last legs and cant write a 100mb save file at a decent pace (3 minutes makes that 550KB/s)

Do you happen to have a SSD? since I heard that can make the save times go quicker, for me during the game itself and I am pretty blobbed out as well... it only gets laggy during the saves like after 1100 and sometimes it slows down... like when I have it on full speed it acts like speed 3.

Full speed???

FYI the top speed is not supported bye CK2 it effectively takes the limit off and sets it to the speed of your processor.....

There is a problem when you do this, and its worse the higher end your processsor is!

In the computer world there are these things called bottlenecks.... and inorder for your fancy processor to processes all that CK2 data at its speed the rest of the computer needs to be able to relay said information as fast as your CPU can process.... Which just isnt going to happen on the really high end machines because the CPU's are faster then the bottlenecks of the computer like the RAM or the BUS speed of the board....

If you happen to have a Processor Mother board and Ram with all the same speeds then speed 5 would work pretty slick.... But its rare people actually build a computer in this way!

Or if your computer is older and your CPU is actually slower then your BUS and RAM then speed 5 will again work great....

But this is not the deal for you! So your better off playing at speed 4 and speed 5 is likely slower then speed 4 because your bottlenecking your computer....

[Panicsferd]

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Originally posted by Panicsferd:

Do you happen to have a SSD? since I heard that can make the save times go quicker, for me during the game itself and I am pretty blobbed out as well... it only gets laggy during the saves like after 1100 and sometimes it slows down... like when I have it on full speed it acts like speed 3.

Full speed???

FYI the top speed is not supported bye CK2 it effectively takes the limit off and sets it to the speed of your processor.....

There is a problem when you do this, and its worse the higher end your processsor is!

In the computer world there are these things called bottlenecks.... and inorder for your fancy processor to processes all that CK2 data at its speed the rest of the computer needs to be able to relay said information as fast as your CPU can process.... Which just isnt going to happen on the really high end machines because the CPU's are faster then the bottlenecks of the computer like the RAM or the BUS speed of the board....

If you happen to have a Processor Mother board and Ram with all the same speeds then speed 5 would work pretty slick.... But its rare people actually build a computer in this way!

Or if your computer is older and your CPU is actually slower then your BUS and RAM then speed 5 will again work great....

But this is not the deal for you! So your better off playing at speed 4 and speed 5 is likely slower then speed 4 because your bottlenecking your computer....

But see for me when first starting out the max speed (so speed 5) is pretty fast, it is only after I get to like 1100+ (this is from starting at charlamange or old gods) then max speed slows down and then it is like speed 4.

Also for me the other issue like I said before is saving which I believe is because of my hard drive is a regular hard drive and is probably slow (don't remember the rpms off the back of my head) and that is why it can sometimes take longer to save after year 1100+.