Europa Universalis IV

Europa Universalis IV

Persia Rising
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Master Splinter  [developer] Apr 7, 2017 @ 4:58pm
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Civmaster54 Apr 14, 2017 @ 8:11am 
Revival of Perisan Emprie (i.e Achaemenid Empire). It could be a decision.

It open decisions to revive Zoroastrianism at the cost of stability, missions to reconquer the lost regions of Egypt, Antioch, Lydia, Ionia, and Parts of Thrace.
Master Splinter  [developer] Apr 14, 2017 @ 10:56am 
@Civmaster: While very fun, I do want to keep the mod relatively historical. There are two events for tolerating Zoroastrians and increasing their influence, but the concept of Achaemind Persia wasn't really relevant in Safavid Persia, which pursued heavy ♥♥♥♥♥♥ belief.

Although, I do think it would be cool to eventually add missions to gain claims on the regions you mentioned if the Zoroastrians have decent enough dhimmi power.
Civmaster54 Apr 14, 2017 @ 12:06pm 
Originally posted by Master Splinter:
@Civmaster: While very fun, I do want to keep the mod relatively historical. There are two events for tolerating Zoroastrians and increasing their influence, but the concept of Achaemind Persia wasn't really relevant in Safavid Persia, which pursued heavy ♥♥♥♥♥♥ belief.

Although, I do think it would be cool to eventually add missions to gain claims on the regions you mentioned if the Zoroastrians have decent enough dhimmi power.

Ok thanks.
Looking at some things online it's come to my attention that Persia wasn't a shia majority region until the Safavids took over. Do you agree with this, and if so do you think you could change the religion of most provinces in Persia to Sunni and then add events that will change them into Shia provinces?

Also, I'm very interested in this region as a whole as of late, and was even working on a mod of my own centered around Persia and the Mughals. I would love it if I could share some of my ideas with you and even help you out if your open to the idea.
Master Splinter  [developer] Apr 14, 2017 @ 4:00pm 
@The region was mostly Sunni before the Safavids, but they were heavily Sufi. The Persia/Iraq area had some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, mostly in Iraq, but the Sunni's were Sufi's that made them very receptive to Shiitism as well as conversion. Since it's too hard to represent, they start off as ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Yea if you have any thoughts/suggestions let me know.
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When playing as AQ I got Erzurum without any notification and without prior knowledge of the event you added. I feel like it would be better if AQ gets an event to send the demand first which triggers the event already in place, just so that the player knows beforehand.
Master Splinter  [developer] Apr 15, 2017 @ 4:15pm 
Yea I need to give a notificaition for it. Thanks for the reminder.
Hakazin Apr 16, 2017 @ 10:43pm 
Read a reddit post talking about Ethiopia threatening to dam the Nile in response to the Mamluks interfering with the Patriarch of Alexandria. Maybe an event could be added for that?
naenae jue jue Apr 17, 2017 @ 1:06am 
I feel like this mod restrict Persia too much, especially with the new Harem thing, basically cementing that you HAVE to be islamic, which makes playing Persia less interesting, because youre just playing Persia, only its made slightly different decisions. But, its still the same dynasty, same religion, and generally gonna do the same things more or less. Having different dynasties, shahs, religion, and behaviors would be infinitely more fun to play as and against than basically Persia. So, as a suggestion, I'd suggest making it so you could chose between more dynasties, like, for example, a Zoroastrian family, which will start an event chain where Persia, with the right choices gradually becomes Zoroastrian. You could come into conflict with the Zoroastrians in India, where they could denounce you for converting people and saying that is not the zoroastrian way and that converts should be accepted (I don't know how ingrained that was into Zoroastrianism at the time, from where I heard the practice came from, by this time it was probably strongly cemented into the zoroastrians in india, but not in Persia.), and so you'd take a massive prestige hit. And maybe change the Persian government a bit to make it less Islamic.

Also being able to change your name to iran if you're multi-ethnic and have all of the provinces with one of the iranian cultures would be hella rad, but I think regardless of the dynasty/religion, the name and flag should stay the same, unless the Iran thing is in there. The flag and name(s) are secular, tbh, and making specific names for the dynasty seems silly, dynasties shouldn't matter for Persia. it's Persia, not like the Ottomans. Persia is more like a nation state than other middle eastern countries, so its government should reflect this, being able to have different dynasties and religions as it did historically while still being Persia.

As well, the shahs having set deaths and births, that seems to limit it too much. Idk if those three were alive by the time the game starts, but events could wildly change that. You could have your country in a total war where the capital is sacked and razed multiple times by hordes, or maybe your country is a different religion, or any number of things that could have monumental effects on every single individual in the country, yet they will always die the same way, be born the same day, and have similar personalities? No matter what?

Sorry if this sounds rude, not my intention. I just think it'd be interesting to see it so Persia is less railroaded to following the same path it did in real life, or very similar.
Last edited by naenae jue jue; Apr 17, 2017 @ 1:16am
Master Splinter  [developer] Apr 17, 2017 @ 10:42am 
@Vigilums: Some very good suggestions and complaints, Regarding Zoroastrianism, it's far too unrealistic to have the heavy shift to Zoroastrianism. The reality on the ground was that the majority of the people already converted to Islam, and the Zoroastrian communities were heavily exclusive. They didn't practice prostlysation similar to Jews. Likewise, there was no Zoroastrian royal familys, the royalty was hardly even Iranian until the resurgence of the Safavids. The majority of the country was controlled by Turkic people, of the Sunni faith.

While very fun, giving Zoroastrianism too much is very unrealistic for many reasons. There are events to increase their rights and freedoms that the mod adds, but that is already pushing the boundaries of what actually happened.

I do agree on the bit about Iran, although it's mostly localization. Actual people of the "Persia" area always called the country Eranshahr.

The birth part is were I heavily disagree. The European monarchs already have them, it's not really about the dates interfering with events, so much as it is Paradox ignoring the region. Ruler birth dates, and deaths are a part of the game that is needed to help it move somewhat along history. The Ottomans for isntance have nearly 2 centuries of rulers with birth dates and death dates. It just means that during that time it's higher chance they come.
Melfice May 5, 2017 @ 11:53am 
Fantastic Mod. I've played using this mod a few runs as Mamluks and as Persia, and While I understand your historical basis for restricted Zoroastrian influence as you've before, I'd still sugest for some events or decisions to convert and play as Zoroastrian Persia.

Mind you those can be but a few events for minium flavor and thus not too much work, since as a Player I myself atleast do enjoy doing unhistoric things either for RP Reasons or just for the "Fun and Profit" of it even if it could be an absolute pain to the point of triggering some form of religious civil war.

but at any rate keep up the good work nonethless.
Kiyant May 18, 2017 @ 5:39am 
One suggestion i have would be to make an event that shows the fragmentation of Georgia.
In 1466 Georgia fell apart in 8 different countries so it would be nice if this would also happen in the mod.
While we are at it, could you also make the province of Samstkhe Georgian or Meskhetian culture? Because while Kars was majority Armenian, the capital of Samstkhe was the city of Achalziche with a Meskhetian/Kipcak dynasty on top.
Master Splinter  [developer] May 18, 2017 @ 11:53am 
@Zionist Royal Khazar: Thanks for the suggestions, will try to include them in the next update.
Kiyant May 18, 2017 @ 2:35pm 
Thank you very much for the quick response.
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