Originally posted by Happy Danksgiving:

Could someone post the immaculate armor ids? I was playing in another part of the game when my immaculate chest piece and Arbiter's Helmet just dissappeared, after I gave them to Marlon, or whatever his name it, during "Diplomatic Immunity", and I just want to pop them back in.

go into console and type "(insert item name here)" and you will get the id maybe add help

Originally posted by 超級賽亞人神:

any ideas how do u take armor from Rykas w/o breaking 'law' ?

You have to break the law to get the armor. In fact, you can only get the best possible ending by retrying twice: once to get the armor off of Rykas's corpse, then again when you kill the Arbiter when you first meet him. In fact, the only option when you find him(the Arbiter) is to fight him, unless you have his helmet, which will trigger the best ending when you talk to him. Just make sure that you don't lie about having it, or he will move on to the next judgement, meaning that you have to reload the room.

Originally posted by DestroyerJamie:

Originally posted by Happy Danksgiving:

Could someone post the immaculate armor ids? I was playing in another part of the game when my immaculate chest piece and Arbiter's Helmet just dissappeared, after I gave them to Marlon, or whatever his name it, during "Diplomatic Immunity", and I just want to pop them back in.

go into console and type "(insert item name here)" and you will get the id maybe add help

Nope, nothing. Can someone just post the ids if they have them?

Originally posted by The Don of Color:

Entering combat with The Arbiter causes him to awaken the Centurians like a normal bad end. And like a normal bad end, mr evil Jarl will make a time portal for you.

Only difference this next run through, you'll have the helmet, and that might make the Arbiter a tad nervous.

this is how you get the best income. go back, show him the helmet, and you force his hand. I dont want to totally spoil anything, but trust me, killing him, going back one more time and forcing his hand is the best option I found ;)

Originally posted by Aralic:

So, one question after finishing the quest A) Dead Jarl and B) Dead Arbiter/No more Dwarve's Law, who tf broke the law in the first place!?

the whole point is... ANYONE can end up being the one who breaks the dwarves law. there are some that are more likely to than others, but the point is, eventually, someone will. that is why I chose the second option. the only way to be sure that the event never happens, is to ensure that the law is abolished. even if you kill the jarl, the event happens.yes, you get sent back forward in time as a result, but you have not actually prevented the event. worse yet, the arbiter can cause the event to happen to whoever ends up occupying the city next. and after talking to him, you discover he has already killed 322 waves of people.

COULD BE SPOILERS!!!
I have played this through with several endings. In the first Maisi kills the Jarl. In the second I killed the Arbitor, time traveled and showed him the helmet. I got there without the Immaculate Armor, using the Ethereal shout and health potions. He closed down the law but upon leaving everyone except the brother was my enemy. Next I shot the Jarl in his bed. Lastly I talked to everyone, went everywhere, helped everyone I could, collected all of the armor, time traveled found Maisi, confronted the Jarl, told her husband, confronted the Arbitor and convinced him to drop the law. This seemed the most satisfactory to me. I would have liked to have refrained from killing Rykas, but there didn't seem to be a way. If there was another way I don't know what it would be.

"Ideal" ending strat:
1ST RUN: Go find Dooley's key in the cave, go into the underground tunnels to find the remains, do every little bit of sidequest hoohah you can without making an acusation, including finding Maisi. (But don't release her!) Go into the abandoned palace, hop over the gate using crates to get the Gauntlets and find the old record all in the abandoned palace. (BRING LOCKPICKS UP THE ASS OR HAVE SOME ANTI-LOCK SPELLS DIALED, MAN) Go talk to the sick guy whose name escapes me, grab the boots after watching him die. Go and accuse Rykas, or just shank him. TAKE HIS ARMOR CAUSE HE'S A ♥♥♥♥♥. Run to the portal...

2ND RUN: No ♥♥♥♥-aroundsies; put dat armor on and go into the abandoned tunnels and beeline to the dome. Confront the Arbiter. Don't persuade him, just tell him Meritus ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up or whatever, get him to purge. Kick his ♥♥♥♥♥ ass and take his helmet. Go to the surface, laugh at the apocalypse of your friends who don't know what the hells is going on, go to the portal again...

IF YOU WANT THE, "DO I KNOW YOU," ENDING, simply repeat as above when you get out of the lakehouse but now put in the effort to either convince the Arbiter to ♥♥♥♥ off via persuasion or just show him his own damn head in your pocket. When you get back to the surface, everything is all hunky dory, but nobody knows who the ♥♥♥♥ you are and why you get a magical statue. Do this if you really don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about anybody in town and didn't feel engrossed in anyway during this awesome quest.

IF YOU WANT THE, "WTH HAVE YOU BEEN, BRO," ENDING, once you leave the lakehouse, take the time to repeat all the quests and speak/fetch for everyone so they know you when you leave for your timeline. That means, Find Maisi in BDSM mode, confront Rykas about his red letters, go get the ring downstairs for the interracial couple, give whaserface, the chef, skooma, go shank some lizard ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ underwater, (or don't, but get the key obviously and share it with Dooley you sycophant,) talk to the the ex-shanker and dat barkeep, the wizard punk, all of it. THEN go confront the Arbiter and persuade him or scare him. Boom, you wake up, everybody's like, "Hey how ya been bud?" and its all smiles all around and everything is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ saccharine for literally everybody except for the Jarl, who got ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lynched.

IF YOU WANT ♥♥♥♥♥ ENDINGS ALPHA THROUGH GAMMA, just ♥♥♥♥ up the JArl by any of these three means. First two methods, go find Dooley's chest and get the key, then go and talk to Maisi. From here, you can release her, and then she will ♥♥♥♥ up the Jarl with some ice. OR go tell her husband and he will go slap a punk to death. OR get your shank on and stick it in the Jarl yourself. ♥♥♥♥ up the JArl, si what I am saying (which means no more looping!) and everyone escapes through the hole blown in the pisser.

Afterwards, you go talk to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ you were supposed to find in the first place whose name escapes me but is definitely the guy who was hanging 10 when you first came in. If its an ideal ending, he will inadvertently suck your ♥♥♥♥ for how awesome you made the city and how you are a cool guy with a statue and everything, and how you have a ♥♥♥♥ made of pure light and sugar; whether or not the people know you is the only difference. If you aim for ♥♥♥♥♥ though, he will say basically everyone was okay and they took down a ♥♥♥♥ of a despot before escaping, but its too bad that the city got ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up... YOU ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You might be able to go talk to the arbiter afterwards anyways, I wouldn't know, I felt ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for this ending and immediately reloaded.

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Originally posted by Captain Tastyshakes:

"Ideal" ending strat:
1ST RUN: Go find Dooley's key in the cave, go into the underground tunnels to find the remains, do every little bit of sidequest hoohah you can without making an acusation, including finding Maisi. (But don't release her!) Go into the abandoned palace, hop over the gate using crates to get the Gauntlets and find the old record all in the abandoned palace. (BRING LOCKPICKS UP THE ASS OR HAVE SOME ANTI-LOCK SPELLS DIALED, MAN) Go talk to the sick guy whose name escapes me, grab the boots after watching him die. Go and accuse Rykas, or just shank him. TAKE HIS ARMOR CAUSE HE'S A ♥♥♥♥♥. Run to the portal...

2ND RUN: No ♥♥♥♥-aroundsies; put dat armor on and go into the abandoned tunnels and beeline to the dome. Confront the Arbiter. Don't persuade him, just tell him Meritus ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up or whatever, get him to purge. Kick his ♥♥♥♥♥ ass and take his helmet. Go to the surface, laugh at the apocalypse of your friends who don't know what the hells is going on, go to the portal again...

IF YOU WANT THE, "DO I KNOW YOU," ENDING, simply repeat as above when you get out of the lakehouse but now put in the effort to either convince the Arbiter to ♥♥♥♥ off via persuasion or just show him his own damn head in your pocket. When you get back to the surface, everything is all hunky dory, but nobody knows who the ♥♥♥♥ you are and why you get a magical statue. Do this if you really don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about anybody in town and didn't feel engrossed in anyway during this awesome quest.

IF YOU WANT THE, "WTH HAVE YOU BEEN, BRO," ENDING, once you leave the lakehouse, take the time to repeat all the quests and speak/fetch for everyone so they know you when you leave for your timeline. That means, Find Maisi in BDSM mode, confront Rykas about his red letters, go get the ring downstairs for the interracial couple, give whaserface, the chef, skooma, go shank some lizard ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ underwater, (or don't, but get the key obviously and share it with Dooley you sycophant,) talk to the the ex-shanker and dat barkeep, the wizard punk, all of it. THEN go confront the Arbiter and persuade him or scare him. Boom, you wake up, everybody's like, "Hey how ya been bud?" and its all smiles all around and everything is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ saccharine for literally everybody except for the Jarl, who got ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lynched.

IF YOU WANT ♥♥♥♥♥ ENDINGS ALPHA THROUGH GAMMA, just ♥♥♥♥ up the JArl by any of these three means. First two methods, go find Dooley's chest and get the key, then go and talk to Maisi. From here, you can release her, and then she will ♥♥♥♥ up the Jarl with some ice. OR go tell her husband and he will go slap a punk to death. OR get your shank on and stick it in the Jarl yourself. ♥♥♥♥ up the JArl, si what I am saying (which means no more looping!) and everyone escapes through the hole blown in the pisser.

Afterwards, you go talk to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ you were supposed to find in the first place whose name escapes me but is definitely the guy who was hanging 10 when you first came in. If its an ideal ending, he will inadvertently suck your ♥♥♥♥ for how awesome you made the city and how you are a cool guy with a statue and everything, and how you have a ♥♥♥♥ made of pure light and sugar; whether or not the people know you is the only difference. If you aim for ♥♥♥♥♥ though, he will say basically everyone was okay and they took down a ♥♥♥♥ of a despot before escaping, but its too bad that the city got ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up... YOU ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You might be able to go talk to the arbiter afterwards anyways, I wouldn't know, I felt ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for this ending and immediately reloaded.

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You sir have just helped me out alot. Thank you very much.

I had only talked to one or two people when the law was broken (may or may not have been me) and i can't figure out what to do. Everyone is dead and if i go into the lake house i see the jarl's dead body and it won't let me leave. Is this supposed to happen?

Ok, for those who absolutely have to finish this quest without it ever resetting because you had to kill Rykas, here is the only solution I have come up with. You have to use the "kill" console command on Rykas. This will not evoke the "Dwarve's Law". I didn't like doing that, so after I came back out from convincing the Arbiter to drop his law, I used "resurrect" on Rykas and all was fine. His ID code is 8C02D76D. One other thing I tried that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is giving him poison to take. That didn't work. The reason I thought it might is because of the clues you are given from the cook about Marius having plants in his room (nightshade) that he could make poison from, and him being from the Dark Brotherhood originally. Also, the town alchemist has an alchemy table in her room so you can make a poison. I use the SPERG mod for my perks and one I get at 35 alchemy is being able to slip someone a poison potion to kill them. So I made one on the alchemy table that does 675 points of damage. I slipped it to Rykas while he slept - reverse pickpocketing. That didn't trigger the Dwarve's Law, but when he took the poison and died, that did trigger it. Hope this helps.

Here's the way I did it. Get your healing hands out, run in the tomb and keep healing yourself. You will eventually die but you need potions for that. It's a bit lame, but it was my second walkthrough :D

I got the helmet by running into a cart on a ramp by a body before getting to a smelter and magic anomoly in the underground.

Originally posted by Oh Lawdy:

I ended it by finding the key to the gated off section citadel and releasing the prisoner in the back room there. She kills the Jarl which prevents him from ever opening the portal. This sends you back to your own timeline where you meet the brother you were sent in to find. After that, you can return back to Tamriel through pipe that breaks while the prisoner is fighting the king.

Or even better, cut out the middleman and just kill the king yourself.

Hi

Sooo, if ur a high lvl i recommend not trying the arbiter route, he becomes ridiculously op, and i at lvl 120 with full dragonplate and oak flesh and stone flesh die in about 1.5 seconds