Victoria 3

Victoria 3

Ukrainian Flavor Pack
Yamtom  [developer] Oct 27, 2022 @ 9:45am
Ideas and suggestions
Ideas and suggestions
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Can you please not use soviet flag for communist ukraine? that's a flag of an opressed region - same way you wouldnt use the flag of RK ukraine for fascist ukraine. I suggest you use this instead https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Flag_of_Ukrainian_People%27s_Republic_of_the_Soviets.svg
Yamtom  [developer] Nov 1, 2022 @ 9:40pm 
Originally posted by 6oPuCJIaB_JIioTuÚ:
Can you please not use soviet flag for communist ukraine? that's a flag of an opressed region - same way you wouldnt use the flag of RK ukraine for fascist ukraine. I suggest you use this instead https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Flag_of_Ukrainian_People%27s_Republic_of_the_Soviets.svg
So the Ukrainian People's Republic of Soviets was something like the current DPR and LPR or RK of Ukraine. It is a government that was subordinated to Soviet russia and planned to be part of soviet russia.
The Ukrainian SSR, though an occupation, had at last some consideration for Ukrainians' demands.+This is a standard flag from original game which I have not changed
SalmonMoses Feb 21, 2023 @ 4:41am 
Maybe add Ukrainian State name for the military dictatorship in Ukraine? It was called like this under Skoropadskiy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_State). Also, Ukrainian Separate Sovereign Republic doesn't sound as real country name at all, maybe there are some better variations of it? "Sovereign Ukrainian Nation", "Sovereign Ukrainian State", or event "Ukrainian Natiocracy".
Yamtom  [developer] Feb 21, 2023 @ 6:53am 
Originally posted by SalmonMoses:
Maybe add Ukrainian State name for the military dictatorship in Ukraine? It was called like this under Skoropadskiy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_State). Also, Ukrainian Separate Sovereign Republic doesn't sound as real country name at all, maybe there are some better variations of it? "Sovereign Ukrainian Nation", "Sovereign Ukrainian State", or event "Ukrainian Natiocracy".
I'm to share that in my upcoming update, I will be added the idea of a nonabsolutist monarchy in Ukraine. Because Skoropadskyi's state was more of an aristocratic one than a military one, I believe saving two names of this concept will provide valuable insights into Ukraine's rich history.
I had chosen to use the title "Ukrainian Separate Sovereign Republic" as an amusing nod to the soviet, as the acronym is similar to that of the USSR. The words "Separate and Sovereign" were inspired by the phrase that opens the 4th Universal of the Central Rada of Ukraine. I chose this title because I couldn't pick a specific name for the right-wing movements in Ukraine at the time, as they were primarily united by the idea of Ukrainian independence.
SalmonMoses Feb 21, 2023 @ 9:12am 
Originally posted by Yamtom:
I had chosen to use the title "Ukrainian Separate Sovereign Republic" as an amusing nod to the soviet, as the acronym is similar to that of the USSR. The words "Separate and Sovereign" were inspired by the phrase that opens the 4th Universal of the Central Rada of Ukraine. I chose this title because I couldn't pick a specific name for the right-wing movements in Ukraine at the time, as they were primarily united by the idea of Ukrainian independence.
Yeah, I got the reference to USSR and Ukrainian Separate Sovereign Republic, yet it still doesn't sound like a country's name. Maybe you could try "Ukrainian Natiocracy", as natiocracy was a Sciborski's concept of national sovereign government form (authoritarian decentralised national-syndicalism, to be precise), that could be seen as some form of fascism (although not a ultranationalist one).
Yamtom  [developer] Feb 21, 2023 @ 12:06pm 
Originally posted by SalmonMoses:
Originally posted by Yamtom:
I had chosen to use the title "Ukrainian Separate Sovereign Republic" as an amusing nod to the soviet, as the acronym is similar to that of the USSR. The words "Separate and Sovereign" were inspired by the phrase that opens the 4th Universal of the Central Rada of Ukraine. I chose this title because I couldn't pick a specific name for the right-wing movements in Ukraine at the time, as they were primarily united by the idea of Ukrainian independence.
Yeah, I got the reference to USSR and Ukrainian Separate Sovereign Republic, yet it still doesn't sound like a country's name. Maybe you could try "Ukrainian Natiocracy", as natiocracy was a Sciborski's concept of national sovereign government form (authoritarian decentralised national-syndicalism, to be precise), that could be seen as some form of fascism (although not a ultranationalist one).
Sciborski will not be born until 1898, but the game is being completed in 1926, the first mention of "Natiocracy" didn't appear until 1935 (although I could be mistaken about the exact date).
I plan to adjust the name depending on the specific political systems can vary widely depending on the specific laws and ideologies at play. While the term "Natiocracy" may be appropriate in some cases, it may not be the best fit for others as a universal for all of these I'll leave this one, especially since it's no less bad than the Soviet Union or the US)
As I work on developing my mod, I've come across a common challenge. I've found that I'm in danger of overwhelming myself by trying to cram too much into the mod all at once.
To address this challenge, I've shifted my focus to organizing the mod and ensuring that everything is in its proper place. After I'll change the names in different cases, this kind of name will be deleted.
SalmonMoses Feb 22, 2023 @ 4:40am 
Originally posted by Yamtom:
Sciborski will not be born until 1898, but the game is being completed in 1926, the first mention of "Natiocracy" didn't appear until 1935 (although I could be mistaken about the exact date).
Actually, game finishes in 1936, and natiocratic idea could be suggested earlier if there was independent Ukraine before, but we are going too much into alt history here.
Originally posted by Yamtom:
I plan to adjust the name depending on the specific political systems can vary widely depending on the specific laws and ideologies at play. While the term "Natiocracy" may be appropriate in some cases, it may not be the best fit for others as a universal for all of these I'll leave this one, especially since it's no less bad than the Soviet Union or the US)
As I work on developing my mod, I've come across a common challenge. I've found that I'm in danger of overwhelming myself by trying to cram too much into the mod all at once.
To address this challenge, I've shifted my focus to organizing the mod and ensuring that everything is in its proper place. After I'll change the names in different cases, this kind of name will be deleted.
Okay, will wait!
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