just an idea for tarnished Samson in terms of how he would work.

Instead of shooting tears Samson uses his fists to beat down his enemy (like forgotten but different) but given that his power comes from his hair his punches shouldn't do a lot of damage (base damage 2.00?) cause of his hair being cut
damage ups would be lower and tears up would doe less. The main way Samson gets more damage is through the use of his pocket item ( this would charge up by killing enemys, for every 5 killed would be 1 charge) the pocket item would need 9 charges in order to be used. a pond the use of the item it would grant 1.00 total of damage (can stack) . this would seem over powered but their's a catch, if you get hit your damage up will go down by 0.5 but a rage meter will fill shown by the red taint on Samson. If the damage up is lost then Samson enter a berserk mode like taint Samson but he can rock as well (2x dmg and 1.5 sped when in berserk) but this rage is shorter than taint Samson's berserk. after entering a new floor if berserk mode was entered in the last floor Samson would be tired and have a small dmg and speed penalty for 3 rooms, after 3 rooms the stats Samson once had would be back to normal.

this my idea of tarnished Samson if something seem over powered or wrong then then go ahead to say other wise this is just an idea and their's no way of telling if it will be part of the mod

I have ideas for all the characters except bethany and jacob & esau. if you want to hear them you can reply and i'll post them but just as an example for legitimacy.

Tarnished( or as I liked to call him Defiled) Cain

His Screen description is

-Blind
-Brave

-Blind Bravery
-Soul Cyclone
-Blindness

Unlock- Beat a certain boss in my mod as Tainted cain to unlock him
or
as tainted cain beat mega ♥♥♥♥♥ crafting less than 8 items

-Blind Bravery
-replaces Cains tears and instead gives him an item in his Q slot that can let him switch between 3 soul weapons

---Weapon 1- Soul Sword

The soul sword acts similar to the spear of destiny and does 1.5x your damage making it the highest damaging weapon out of the three weapons.
Using this weapons is risky do to having to be close to the enemy to damage them.

---Weapon 2- Soul Daggers

The soul daggers are to daggers similar to Sacrificial dagger that orbit Cain and are thrown out to attack similar to Mei's tears.
This weapon does your characters damage making it the mid damage weapon and is the "Main Weapon" of the character; of course "main weapon" is just a term but it is the weapon that your character starts equipped with.

---Weapon 3- Soul Knives

The soul knives are 4 or 5 knives that are thrown out of Cain similar to a regular tear with Quad or Penta shot.
This weapon does 0.75x your weapon damage making it the weakest damaging weapon
this weapon is the safest to use which is why it has the least damage.

---Charged Weapons

Along with having the 3 regular weapons, The weapons gradually fill with "soul" every time you damage something with the weapon.
At max charge the weapon will activate its Charged form which uses all the weapons to boost the power of the original weapon equipped.

---Soul Sword

The Soul Sword adds the 2 daggers in front of the Sword and the 4-5 Knives in front of the Daggers, Basically making a cone of damage in front of you for the duration of the charge.

---Soul Daggers

The Soul Daggers extend farther from your body into a larger orbit and the Soul sword takes the place of the original daggers, Even farther out in a much faster, larger orbit the 4-5 Soul Knives orbit around Cain. This Charged form is basically making Cain a Solar System of Blades.

---Soul Knives

The Soul Knives stay the same but thrown alongside them are the Soul daggers which move at a mid-pace speed through the air and fly in the air with a large helix pattern, and the Soul Sword which is thrown and launches slowly through the air similar to Big Chubby.


-Soul Cyclone
-A 3 room active item that throws out a Soul Shuriken that spins slowly in the air and launches out several souls similar to The Beasts attack that home in on enemies and attack them for a period of time before disappearing.
The Shuriken will continue spinning and launching souls until it hits a wall
The actual Shuriken also does damage equal to 10 x Your damage and damages enemies based on your tear rate.


-Blindness
Blindness is an effect that this character alone has. (unless another of the aspects of my mod is implemented)
Blindness causes Cain to have a percentage chance every time he does certain things for those certain things to not happen. Example
-Cain has a 10% chance every time he uses a key to consume a key but not open whatever it was he was opening
-Cain has a 10% chance every time he places a bomb for it to be a dud and not explode consuming his bomb.
-Cain has a 5% chance when purchasing something(regardless of in the shop or in the devil deal) for the currency to be used but the item is not obtained.
-Cain has a 1% chance every time he picks up an item for that item to be lost.
-Ect.

-Cains Door

Cains Door will be multiple knives stabbed through the door representing his weaponry and one of the knives having a eye patch stabbed through it.

-Cain's Design

Cain's eye patch is now a blueish color similar to the color is Soul weapons would be and
has a small blue flame burning from the center of the eye patch.
Cain's other eye (the one without the eye patch) now has that milky white color of a blind eye similar to how Cain's Other Eye looks.

Once again I have plenty of other ideas for the other characters getting much more complex than this one and I would love to be one of the idea guys for this awesome mod. I even have ideas for Isaac and Maggy.

I don't have any specific ideas, but more of a design philosophy for the rest of the characters as whole. Instead of just being the tainted characters but "now there's something different", I feel like they should be fundamentally different but within line of the tainted characters ideas. Example, tarnished cain should veer away from just being tainted cain but with a tweak, but something more unique

Tarnished Lost

No items
No mantle

this is make my brain go 100 mill per H for idea so here some.

idea for tr Lilith.
nick name: the Mom-strosity
looks: make her happy ( in a uncomfortable way for the player) have two kid, one in the womb and one busting out of her eye. and the 3ed one aka "Gello" being a big kid.

gimmicks:
Gello: acting like and have the same stat as a lv3 meat boy.
Susy:
she cute as her mom horn's, hair colour whit a different hair still and skin colour.
replacing gello for wiping enemies
Ollegy
look like normal Gello but whit lit'brim horn's: he's clever and can warn for example troll-bomb in a chest, bad deal and more

the very ♥♥♥♥ up gimmicks:
name: motherhood
any familiar's (that make sens) you pick turn a Susy like kid whit there gimmick, give a broken heart + BIG speed down
if at any point you get a transformation. you need to consume enemies too get a unique familiar and you lost all item that give said transform.
you cant take pills, syringe items or drug item like mushroom.

Here one of the spriters of the mod

Unfortunately, all ideas for character mechanics have already been thought up by users on our discord server

We apologize for not listing that in the mod description

You can still leave your ideas, because it may turn out that some mechanics which won the vote is not programmable, and we can use one of your

for tarnished lilith:maybe have her a incubus a fetus and a lost soul but when lost soul dies the incubus dies for the floor to and she takes damage

Edgybubblegum původně napsal:

Playtester here, as seen in the credits page
sorry to burst your bubble a bit, but uh, we already have them planned out.

Aw Man

Sockblouse původně napsal:

Here one of the spriters of the mod

Unfortunately, all ideas for character mechanics have already been thought up by users on our discord server

We apologize for not listing that in the mod description

You can still leave your ideas, because it may turn out that some mechanics which won the vote is not programmable, and we can use one of your

You can use some of ours? That's good.

Might all be planned out, but this one might be simpler for Tarnished Forgotten.

I wouldn't know a good unlock condition, but perhaps something along the lines of killing x amount of enemies in a row with Tainted Forgotten without picking him up or something along those lines.

The upside is that body and soul have been reunited! While in soul form, you retain flight, get powerful bone tears (That may or may not split into smaller bone tears on hit), and aren't chained to the body at all or necessarily reliant on it's attacks... yet. You can gain red health, however you are still limited to doing it through bone hearts.

Downside is that your soul form has ammo in the vein of bones, and they are of limited supply. Run out and you need switch and rely on your body to deal damage, and all you have is a melee attack that is notably weaker the less bones you have. You're not even strong enough to throw it anymore, or at the very least it's nowhere near as strong.

Fortunately, you can get more bones back by killing enemies who drop bone pickups. This will replenish your supply so you can keep crying. In addition, you have a 12 charge item (that starts uncharged) by the name of Ossification. Upon use, all enemies in the room take damage and drop Bone pickups. Regular characters can use it to cry Tarnished Forgotten's bone tears, using the pickups as ammo.

Some items...

Calcified Sores: Too Much Calcium!
Every time you clear a room, you gain a Bone orbital from the Book of the Dead.

Radiation Poisoning: My Bones Hurt...
You have an aura that poisons enemies with a special debuff that can stack with Poison proper. Whenever you take damage on a floor, the aura gets larger.

Bone Broth: Hale and Hearty
Gain 2, filled, Bone Hearts.

Loose Joints: Frequent Dislocations
When damaged, create a Big Bony projectile that bounces around the room until the room is cleared.

Discarded Sparerib: No Meat on the Bone
Create a far-ranged orbital. It does not block damage, but deals damage to enemies equal to 1.15x your tear damage and has all your tear effects. Whenever it hits an enemy, its orbit reverses and cannot hit the same enemy until hitting another or making a quarter of the orbit (to prevent gaming it with movement.).

Lil' Kineti: Uses His Noggin
Grants a familiar. When in an uncleared room with enemies, he will show up, grab a rock or other object if available, and throw it at an enemy before leaving. Prioritizes rocks with crawlspaces under them and Marked Rocks. Duplicates of this item will increase the amount of rocks he throws before leaving by one.

Tarnished Esau: (Defeat Mom's Heart/It Lives as Tainted Jacob without getting hit at any point by Dark Esau.)

No Tears.
Deadly Touch.
Reclaim what's yours!

As an inverse to how Tainted Jacob plays by himself and is chased down by Dark Esau...

Tarnished Esau has the opposite gimmick, Tainted Jacob spawns as an enemy in a random room on the floor, and T!Esau needs to hunt him down before he can progress. Even if you kill the boss, the trapdoor won't open until Jacob is dead. Upon finding Jacob, he'll try to run away from you while firing tears, after killing him once, the trapdoor will open and he'll become Lost Jacob, gaining a huge speed increase and making a bee-line for the exit. If you manage to kill him again before he gets there, he'll drop Birthright and disappear for the rest of the run. Birthright cannot appear in any other form outside of the Death Certificate.

Birthright Effect (Was it worth it?): Tarnished Esau regains the ability to shoot Tears + a 1.0 increase to the stat. His expression also changes from a vengeful snarl to one filled with sorrow.

Until he obtains birthright, Esau in this form cannot shoot tears, instead only being able to damage foes by ramming into them, to compensate, he doesn't take any contact damage, instead only being able to be damaged by Projectiles or Explosives.

Unlock ideas.

"Soul of Esau?" (Vengeance is yours!): Turns the player character into a "Dark Spirit" for the current room, gaining an increase in Movement Speed and Damage as well as being able to hurt enemies by running into them.

"Godless Will" (All Stats up, The gates have closed.): Gives 2 Heart Containers and a large increase to all stats, but you can no longer encounter Angel Rooms for the rest of the run, even with Items that would otherwise guarantee their spawn.

"Dying Gasp" (Take them with you.): Triggers "Mama Mega" upon death.

"Boiling Blood" (Your Rage Burns.): Your character will slowly charge up while firing tears, visualized by them turning Orange-Red, at full charge, releasing the firing buttons will unleash a ring of fire around your character, damaging and pushing back any enemies they hit and nullifying projectiles. Works on characters that are blindfolded/can't shoot tears.

Tarnished Jacob & Esau could be similar to the 1/2 heart enemies: Jacob is controlled with WASD and Esau with the fire buttons with a trail of tears between them that can change with certain items (and their sprites could be two halves that complete each other)

for tarnished apollyon they can weaken creatures in the room with a 4 room charge and give apollyon temporary stats that can stack. also champions , bosses and tainted creatures give special effects.

Ideas for tr Lazarus:
When trLazarus is hit, it turns into Lazarus in death state, and in death Lazarus state, even one hit dies. After 1 minute in the state of death, it returns to its original state. Death Lazarus status and normal Lazarus do not share items.

My Idea for Tarnished Lilith:

The Orphaned

You play as the demon fetus thing instead of Lilith.
Lilith is replaced by a rotting corpse that spawns flies like Tainted ???'s corn poop.
You are connected to Lilith by an umbilical cord thus are unable to move away from the corpse (like the soul on the forgotten). You are able to throw the corpse like you can with tainted forgotten. You can fly and you can still shoot tears.