Adzi a écrit :

Yeah, this is helpful for me, too.

(1) Although, to be clear: I'd want to know what kind of elements of post-ATB-roll responses and AI cards actually require adjacency, and what do not. If someone attacks from range/reach, or the response has an Opportunity Window and the Titan uses it to leave the adjacency (if they have the means to, of course), then I already know that Knockback is ignored, and Pushback also doubles as movement toward the offending Titan. But, for example, Labyrinthauros has this one nasty BP card that inflicts an Obol on failed ATB - does that require adjacency? Or Fate increases, or Knockdowns?

(2) Also, for potentially more complex responses and AI cards - while the Chain Break rule mentions Trauma Cards (and the always-wanted free moves and attacks), how do Reactions (like those items allowing them to be Exjhausted and increasing Fate by 1 to move one space) interact with this? Does moving out of adjacency Chain Breaks the AI Card the same way as move-granting Trauma Cards?

(3) Another thing - A-Maze-ing Bull has some AI cards targetting the furthest Titan, and I know the rule that, while Primordials will go the shortest route, in case of multiple same-length routes they will try to Displace and/or Crash as many Titans as possible. Assume there's an Opportunity Window before Prim's Move&Attack, and there's a Titan in the way, who can use a Reaction to move out of the way... but into another same-length route to the original target. Will the Prim change the route? I guess yes, because the reaction takes place before the Move&Attack.

(4) There are some item cards without any timing indicated, like the "stand up" card and "drop some Kratos tokens" cards. When can they be used? Do they require to activate the Titan, or can they be used during another Titan's actions?

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(5) Adding to the above - it would require some minor graphic redesign, but it would be less confusing if, the Break Kratos tokens (those most common), which allow counting Potential results as Breaks during ATB rolls, would actually be symbols of Potential - taking notes from FFG's games like Mansions of Madness, or X-Wing, where the "not-counting-unless-you-use-a-certain-token" dice results actually have the same icon as tokens used to trigger them. Kratos tokens with the actual Break icon would, instead, mean guaranteed Breaks. And any effect intended to increase the chance to succesfully Wound on an immediate ATB roll (like exploting a Weak Point) would be expressed either by a flat number modifier to ATB roll, or as a penalty to AT.

Heart0faLion a écrit :

Hey I have not played through a battle yet but I was just looking at the rule book and how to set up and the titan card in the rule book appears to have a Taunt ability, but the titan card on the board seems to be lacking this ability. Should the card have this ability or for the demo fights is it set up to ignore those extra abilities besides rush, or am I just missing it somewhere on the card? Thanks!

Midas244 a écrit :

@ITU_Studio: I had some graphic design suggestions for making the gameplay a bit easier to pick up for newcomers. I don't want to bother you with them though if the game is locked in/finalized for the printer. Let me know, I'd be happy to offer suggestions if they wouldn't be offensive/would be useful!

Il Praio a écrit :

Since ITU is reading this thread, I will add my feedback as well.

First of all, thanks a lot for making this TTS mod available! You are awsome! And I can't wait for my copy of the game to arrive :-)

For now, I have played the two levels of the Hekaton.
The L0 Hekaton is great, I think it is very well balanced to allow players to learn the rules and likely get a satisfying victory.
The L1 Hekaton looks too difficult to me. Maybe I am just bad, but I have played it a few times and I always get killed when I am roughly 3/4 through the Hekaton's life. In particular the titans which use a single d10 to attack seem almost worse off than they would be fighting with their fists. The spear is good though.

It would also be great if you could provide some less busy art of the back of the board. Ideally just some rubble or grass or even a flat color. The board art is good but it can be confusing and immersion-breaking. I played with a friend who didn't follow the kickstarter and he thought for the whole L0 battle that we were fighting inside a room (with some sort of bathroom mosaic on the floor) and was very confused during the L2 battle about having cities inside the room. :-P

I couldn't really figure out when the primordial turns to face a certain titan. Only when it activates, or also when it reacts to an attack?

During my first fight I also thought that the pushback and knockback reactions to successful hits were performed by the titan to the primordial, not vice versa. It could be clearer who is performing what during reactions.

Finally, critical hits are very rare. You are likely to get a couple per fight and they may very well be wasted on an insignificant BP or not cut through the AT field. This makes the combat less epic than it would otherwise be. Maybe some of the balance was lost when you changed crits to only happen on the white die.

I hope that this feedback is useful. I will write more after I try the next two battles.
Thanks again for making this demo available! It is shaping up to be a great game! Keep up the good work :-)

Il Praio a écrit :

Some early feedback on the Labyrinthauros since I am still halfway through the L1 fight.

The rules for placing the labyrinth tiles are confusing. Some cards instruct to place more than one tile but each has to be placed in a way so that the target of the attach gets covered. Because tiles cannot overlap, you wouldn't be able to place more than one tile.
Also, are the corner spaces around the Labyrinthauros considered adjacent? If they are not, there are only two spaces in front and adjacent to the Labyrinthauros, so you would never be able to place more than two tiles at a time.

Is the primordial still considered adjacent to the titan if they are separated from a red line? I suppose the primordial can attach through the red line because the rules say that it ignores the tiles. But can the titan attack through the red line? And can it climb on a vantage point if it is adjacent to the primordial but separated by a red line?

It is pretty easy to get locked in a section of the labyrinth without any way out. But I suppose that is the whole point of the design :-P

During this battle you don't have the Fists card which you are always supposed to have. I suppose it was just forgotten in the TTS setup for this battle.

Also, if your Javelin is exhausted, and you are supposed to perform another attack, would you use attack speed 1 or 2 with your Fists?

In the Rush ability "attack at +1 speed" can easily be interpreted as moving 6 spaces instead of using one more attack die.

The Gaze of Temenos description in the Primer seem to suggest that the player is supposed to "watch out", but I am not aware of a mechanic that would allow you to avoid facing a BP card that is at the top of the deck (if I understand correctly, the BP card is neither revealed nor discarded if you don't hit).

Overall the concept of the fight is very original and plays a lot differently from the Hekaton.
:-) Thanks for keeping us entertained during the lockdown!