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Limbo Graxx
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Rallen Aug 15, 2018 @ 12:40pm
[Title reworked so it will fit the original better because some people only read the headline and nothing else AND because I chose a bad formulation in the first place wich seems to make the rest of my "review" pointless] Great but not as I imagine Limbo*
*in Graxx style

EDIT:
Now, a month later, I've looked at this skin again and would like to revise my original opinion. After getting lots of good comments (and some just considering the title, which is really frustrating for someone trying (!) to Criticize), who have taught me why this Skin is in Graxx style nevertheless. I looked at the skin one more time and have to say you were right. Although I still understand my former criticisms, I now find that this skin fits the G-Unit very well.

I'll leave my original opinion here, so you can read what I've written before (and so that the previous comments won't lose their meaning).

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ORIGINAL OPINION:
I know what you think: ":fscared: How can he defy Faven and his truly godlike masterpieces?" The answer: I don't. I actually really like the G-unit and have every WF Graxx skin on my wishlist. And that's the reason why I have to "complain" something this time (sorry).

But first of all, I want to say what I like about this Limbo Graxx.
  1. Underneath the hat. I love what he looks like under his hat because that looks both dystopian and grineerlike.
  2. The lights. I think that the lights are a very neat addition to the style of this skin.
  3. Zippy. There is an unwritten law of designing skins. Never use actual reallife clothes and accessories like belts or other contemporary stuff BUT is a detail that nailed it.
  4. The overall look and the especially the tint mask. The tint mask turned out really good. The smooth transition in the coat is easy but effective. I'm not saying this is bad work because that would be an insult to the designer and his design (love you Faven) and just not true. No, it's good work, like really good but now to my "complain".

Even though I think that is a great skin why do I say this is not Graxx? It's as easy (I think) as objective. There is something that every other Graxx share: the grineer flourish, the rounded design and/or the grineer masks :Grineer:. I would see it in the market I wouldn't say "Ah yes. I can clearly see the similarities with the other Graxx skins." because besides some details there are none (except the head under the hat but there it's a little bit placed in vain). I won't tell you what you have to do better because you know best. I actually would like to see it ingame but not under the name Graxx. I don't want you, Faven, to make a completely new one or change this just because I said so but pls think about what I said (I'm a designer myself and I know what I'm talking about. So I'm talking to you from colleague to colleague and as fan of the Art of War(frame) and your work.)
I hope that there will be no misunderstandings and that we can all remain constructive.

Greetings, a fan of your work.

P.S. I have a tip for all designers or those who want to become one: if you have a collection that already follows a pattern, be careful not to deviate too much from it with future designs, or at least assign them differently.
Last edited by Rallen; Sep 23, 2018 @ 5:52am
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Luna Aug 16, 2018 @ 12:15am 
I could not agree more. Cool as this skin is it doesn't really fit the grineer style.
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Faven  [developer] Aug 16, 2018 @ 2:47am 
That people feel its not similar to other graxx stuff is a fair opinion. Its very different from zephyr for example. Or chroma. Or excalibur.

It's not however that much diferent from Mag/Mesa and to a certain point Nekros/Harrow.

Truth be told ever since Mesa the graxx skins have been very varied in their final look. There are stylistically elements that are common but the end result is *always* based on the frame itself. Frames like Mesa/Limbo who have very apparent cloth elements requires a different treatment from frames who are very armor heavy in their mesh (chroma, rhino etc).

I'm personally very comfortable with having a rather big tent for the graxx stuff. They all share some basic characteristics of materials/visual details. What always differs is % of cloth/vs armor and how the tertiary color is applied.

The tertiary color will *always* be used to complement the skin. Squiggles won't be used unless they fit. Dripping paint the same.

In limbos case I felt that using that 4th color channel to break up monotone areas where important (very much like Mesa).
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-|Ғқﻛ|- Domukaru Aug 16, 2018 @ 2:55am 
Has a Steampunk feel to it. Definitely not as Grineer-esque, but I can still see it. Still a fitting alternative skin IMO. I'm not even a Limbo fan. The dark and flat textures are what really makes these series of skins unique. They're simple in a complex way. They don't scream "LOOK AT ME! I'M DIFFERENT." They're quaint and tell a story.

Only thing I would change is the Tricorne hat. Perhaps add some alternative version of a top hat? Somewhat like a engine-powered top hat? Maybe not very tall, but bulky. The head, however, i throughly enjoy.
Last edited by -|Ғқﻛ|- Domukaru; Aug 16, 2018 @ 2:55am
#3
WendigoJoe Aug 16, 2018 @ 4:05am 
Grineer or not friggin love it. Ill learn to play limbo with this bad boy.
#4
Lubox Aug 16, 2018 @ 7:44am 
Agree with Rallen but Faven got good point. Although I think that you should always try to add more armor plates for example like chroma or atleast try to find balance. Harrow had a lot of cloth but plates as well and I really loved that skin for it.
#5
shadeslayer Aug 16, 2018 @ 7:51am 
Originally posted by Rallen:
I know what you think: ":fscared: How can he defy Faven and his truly godlike masterpieces?" The answer: I don't. I actually really like the G-unit and have every WF Graxx skin on my wishlist. And that's the reason why I have to "complain" something this time (sorry).

But first of all, I want to say what I like about this Limbo Graxx.
  1. Underneath the hat. I love what he looks like under his hat because that looks both dystopian and grineerlike.
  2. The lights. I think that the lights are a very neat addition to the style of this skin.
  3. Zippy. There is an unwritten law of designing skins. Never use actual reallife clothes and accessories like belts or other contemporary stuff BUT is a detail that nailed it.
  4. The overall look and the especially the tint mask. The tint mask turned out really good. The smooth transition in the coat is easy but effective. I'm not saying this is bad work because that would be an insult to the designer and his design (love you Faven) and just not true. No, it's good work, like really good but now to my "complain".

Even though I think that is a great skin why do I say this is not Graxx? It's as easy (I think) as objective. There is something that every other Graxx share: the grineer flourish, the rounded design and/or the grineer masks :Grineer:. I would see it in the market I wouldn't say "Ah yes. I can clearly see the similarities with the other Graxx skins." because besides some details there are none (except the head under the hat but there it's a little bit placed in vain). I won't tell you what you have to do better because you know best. I actually would like to see it ingame but not under the name Graxx. I don't want you, Faven, to make a completely new one or change this just because I said so but pls think about what I said (I'm a designer myself and I know what I'm talking about. So I'm talking to you from colleague to colleague and as fan of the Art of War(frame) and your work.)
I hope that there will be no misunderstandings and that we can all remain constructive.

Greetings, a fan of your work.

P.S. I have a tip for all designers or those who want to become one: if you have a collection that already follows a pattern, be careful not to deviate too much from it with future designs, or at least assign them differently.

honstly, i get a very "manic" vibe from this skin, and the head beneath the hat pretty much solidified that connection in my opinion, yes, it doesn't have the mask, but it still seems very similar to the manics.
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Faven  [developer] Aug 16, 2018 @ 8:06am 
Originally posted by Lubox:
Agree with Rallen but Faven got good point. Although I think that you should always try to add more armor plates for example like chroma or atleast try to find balance. Harrow had a lot of cloth but plates as well and I really loved that skin for it.
armor plating only really works where there's geo to support it.

Limbo doesn't ahve much of it, where the geo can support it you have mechanical parts (the entire exposed back/shoulders/lower arms etc).

Doing plating on large flat areas just makes it look fake. And in many cases you get a feeling of "why is there this arbitary metal plating in the middle of nowhere".
#7
Markus Kruber Aug 16, 2018 @ 9:43am 
I completely agree that this is an amazing skin and I understand what Faven is saying, but I think I've sussed out what is missing. I looked at all of your G-unit skins and they (almost) all have two things that scream Grineer.

1) Glowing Orange Dots

Every single G-unit skin is covered in glowing orange dots and so are many Grineer units. However, this skin's glowing effects are blue and mostly the big shoulder lights and the lines on his coattails, which make it look really cool, but not Grineer.

2) Metal textures

I know Faven has already adressed this point, but I'll bring it up again, and maybe have some suggestions for where to place them. The reason I bring up metal textures is because they appear on every single Grineer in the game and also on all G-unit skins except Mesa's. Despite this, I do agree that Limbo should have lots of cloth. However, I think that some metal textures on the legs would add to the Grineer effect.

And to wrap up, I'll quickly list off some options that might help, but aren't necessary in my opinion.

- minor leg plating
- slightly more contrast between black and colored sections (I know it can be changed when you purchase it, but it will look more Grineer-like on the workshop page)
- this has also been brought up, but Grineer squiggles
- slightly bulkier (I know it's not Limbo's style, but it is definitely the Grineer's style)

Like I have said, really amazing skin, but if you want it to truly look like a G-unit Faven, my suggestions might help put it in the right direction.
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0 X | Ɐ Aug 17, 2018 @ 6:02am 
Okay, I will break that topic with an ez counter. (no offense, but I hate these topics, cuz the most have no idea about design and DE's WF Tennogen rules, but I have to say this time, your critism is not so bad and there are some nice points)

Lets see, you ignored a huge point, you are talking about the look of the masses of the Grineer, but WF's in that Style are in the end is so special like the bosses etc. of the Grineer (I know, some of the old ones are generic upgrades of the normal soldiers) and they are.. kinda more special - not like the mass. There are in the end enough details that will tell you - this must have something to do with the Grineer.

You don't have to cover up the whole frame with armor plates to make it Grineer like and the thing with the orange dots (energy color?) is not true.
Also some lil parts here and there will not fits the whole composition. Fave has takin the right way in that case with Limbo not to go the not fittin armor look, the leather way was a good choice.

And guys... pls... stop talking about.. make it more bulkier or less etc...
THEY STILL CAN'T CHANGE THE SHAPES, IF - DE WILL NOT ACCEPT IT!
ITS NOT A ♥♥♥♥♥♥ COINCIDENCE THAT ALL THE TENNOGEN SKINS GOT THE BASIC SHAPE OF THE WF MODELS
To everyone who want's to say more than "I like it" or "I hate it" read the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rules of DE's Tennogen before you want to go into the details.... ♥♥♥♥. (sry, but that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ makes me every time kinda angry)

btw. thank you Faven for your great work, I saw every stream of the creation of Limbo Graxx, nice changes and decisions! ~Le Pacte des Loups ;)
#9
JasonB Aug 17, 2018 @ 1:36pm 
I love this skin and will buy it as soon as it's available and if a single detail is changed I'll go Rambo.
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Marshingo Aug 17, 2018 @ 3:25pm 
I also think the only "Graxx" parts are the helmet and lights personally. It lacks that grineer feeling. I think the other main limbo skin on the market ATM looks more grineer esque with the eye piece and the light placement, it fits the harkonaar and grineer armour sets better.
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Xenny Aug 18, 2018 @ 4:24pm 
I agree that it does not have the usual "Grineer" feel to it, but I still want this skin for my Limbo (/Prime). This is amazing work, and I'd still buy it, "Graxx"-branded or not.
#12
The_Soulforged Aug 19, 2018 @ 10:59am 
I would honk the same horn.
A cool and steam-/cyber-/whateverpunkish vibe that is cast by this design. But it just don´t feels grineerish enough. Still want ^^
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Crazy_Uncle Aug 20, 2018 @ 10:20am 
We have a rough and archaic style: Excalibur, Valkyr, Volt, Atlas. But there is also a more refined: Mag, Misa, Harrow, Nekros. Limbo refers to the second, but how else? If limbo were sticking out of wires, and out of their mouths there were pipes out of which there would be smoke, it would not be quite authentic :Grineer:/
P.S. I hope if there will ever be loki, he will have the same style
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Rotten Aug 20, 2018 @ 1:31pm 
Limbo was not a good frame for the typical Grineer aesthetic. It is, in fact, contrary to it. Mesa's form was not very good either, but it was a female frame, and thus had them curves which do suit the Grineer aesthetic.

So the Graxx style applied to Limbo is not going to look very grineer. He's just a straight stick, and Grineer is all about dat rounded, organic armor plate. In the coloring and texture, this does use the style established in the other Graxx design, and any complaints as to continuity seem to expect Faven to make a school of art called Graxx.

That's just ridiculous. Step right off with that nonsense.
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