Not a shared opinion, to be quite honest. Also "nothing Tenno-like left in it"? Warframes come in all shapes and sizes.

I mean, that if someone placed a basic corpus guy, and this on his side, I would shoot both cause it looks just like a more detailed corpus soldier. I think there should be something unique, something that would define the advanced culture Tenno present. I just prefer skins that immerse me more, instead of seeing players use something totally out of place.

Either way, belive me or not, but I put finger up under it, because I would really like it in game. You know, this is kind of paradox, that the creation is so good, but it doesn't fit much, but you still want it and don't at the same time.

with that logic you would shoot a nidus too? whatever man its getting added have fun shooting randomly at excaliburs

Originally posted by Furebel:

This skin is so great, it's got the technicall, graphical and themical perfection, I doubt any corpus stuff anyone will create will ever reach that perfection. However, it looks way too corpus, there is nothing Tenno-like left in it. Idealy I would not put it into ANY warframe, rather I would love if Devs would make an exception and make it a new Corpus boss, something like a Meta-Frame, an Corpus attempt to mimic warframes. This would suit Warframe universe perfectly, and make the best looking Corpus tech they ever created.

tl;dr - The best thing ever made on tennogen, but does not suit Warframe and we have way too much excalibur. Want it in the game as a corpus super-boss.

in that case why even buy the graxx skins given theyr esupposed to be grineer or why use nidus? It makes sense that the corpus would try to reverse engineer the warframes for their own uses dingus

To be fair, Graxx do not ressemble Grenieer that much, instead of bulky armor looking like some jung strapped here and there, Graxx skins look like a badass, advanced bounty hunters with carefully tailored armor with a lot of battle scars. Belive me, I don't mind at all mimicing Grenieer, Corpus or Infested style, but it just looks perfectly like corpus dude, not just warframe in corpus style.

Nidus is different story. All of the infested look like an abominations of takes shapes of machinery. Just the fact, that some infested can have Tenno-like body shape makes him unique in whole infested croud.

I am super critical at tennogen, but as an artist I know that constructive critique is better than sitting in adoration circle without trying to be even better. My opinion on this is not that I don't want to see any corpus-themed stuff, it is that it needs something unique to showe it's power and high class, rather than looking just like a regular corpus dude, but with extremely well detailed and modelled suit.

Originally posted by Furebel:

To be fair, Graxx do not ressemble Grenieer that much, instead of bulky armor looking like some jung strapped here and there, Graxx skins look like a badass, advanced bounty hunters with carefully tailored armor with a lot of battle scars. Belive me, I don't mind at all mimicing Grenieer, Corpus or Infested style, but it just looks perfectly like corpus dude, not just warframe in corpus style.

Nidus is different story. All of the infested look like an abominations of takes shapes of machinery. Just the fact, that some infested can have Tenno-like body shape makes him unique in whole infested croud.

I am super critical at tennogen, but as an artist I know that constructive critique is better than sitting in adoration circle without trying to be even better. My opinion on this is not that I don't want to see any corpus-themed stuff, it is that it needs something unique to showe it's power and high class, rather than looking just like a regular corpus dude, but with extremely well detailed and modelled suit.

nidus is an infested warframe. Also how would you make a corpus armor? This looks fine to me. Have fn wasting your ammo because youre too blind to see a players damn name above their heads or take notice of what weapon theyre using. Also enemies tend not to bullet jump.

@Furebel I am sorry, but I do not share your opinion in the slightest. You said it doesn't look fit for Warframe but then gave a few reasons why it's PERFECT for Warframe. Saying that it looks "too corpus" shouldn't be a reason why it shouldn't be accepted seeing as how there is a Grineer skin for Valkyr that looks just as much Grineer as this skin looks Corpus if not more. Plus, Atlas is getting a new Grineer skin that looks like a beefed up grineer soldier so I think that this should be accepted hands down. GG

I am unsure why my personal opinion is causing some aggresion here.

Originally posted by Ebolamorph:

Have fn wasting your ammo because youre too blind to see a players damn name above their heads or take notice of what weapon theyre using. Also enemies tend not to bullet jump.

Ofcourse there are some significant differences in UI, animations and overall behavior that differentiate Warframe player from AI target, I never wrote that there will be any problem with the gameplay (EDIT: that part about shooting both was supposed to be partially a joke, to make shorter what I am writing this here, but I guess complex explanation was necesarry to show my point), even if you would swap models of frontline grenieer with excalibur, everyoune would know who is who in a fraction of a second (making Argonak's target pointing pretty useless by the way). The lore does not apply to tennogen either, and as I wrote before (making me wonder who really is blind here...) - I still upvoted that, because It is thematically perfect to corpus, and my only concern is that it does not look powerful as Warframes are.

Originally posted by JOHNSMITH11:

@Furebel I am sorry, but I do not share your opinion in the slightest. You said it doesn't look fit for Warframe but then gave a few reasons why it's PERFECT for Warframe. Saying that it looks "too corpus" shouldn't be a reason why it shouldn't be accepted seeing as how there is a Grineer skin for Valkyr that looks just as much Grineer as this skin looks Corpus if not more. Plus, Atlas is getting a new Grineer skin that looks like a beefed up grineer soldier so I think that this should be accepted hands down. GG

I am not even slightly upset knowing, that someone has different opinion than me, it's good to show pros and cons of an artwork from different perspectives. I understand that I might be not clear with my review, so let me get this straight what is difference between Graxx series and this one.

Graxx are grenieer-styled suit, that is true. But they look powerful, complex, they even have texturing of scratched and weared off paint, some explosion dust on them, generaly battle scars looking like they withstanded a lot of hit without harming precious tech that sits inside. This is not how regular grenieer dude looks, nor even some bosses. Graxx are different from grenieer soldiers, because they look way more powerful, with way more advanced and complex tech inside them, which certainly is not what queens would give to every single grenieer clone to enjoy.

Corpus are really simmilar to orokin. They worship money and want to show everyone how rich they are. But that does not work too well in combat. In fact, they use only necesary equipment in combat, and give their soldiers only what they need. This is why most of them look like they are wearing non-armored astronaut suit with cloth instead of steel on them. These regular soldiers look CHEAP compared to more powerful personas in Corpus. For example, while in Index most of the enemies are reskinned regular units, nearly every one of them looks more powerful. Reskinned corpus dudes have some more armor or aditional tech sticking out of their arms or back, they look more bulky, look protected and dangerous, like Nako Xol, or Rana Del.

As I said - it might be me, but I feel like this skin does not look powerful. Yes, it's leg mech-like armor looks strong and slim, his helmet is complex and aside from straight cubical neon bar in front - it looks like a nice piece of technlogy, and this is where it ends. Because the rest of it is the same cheap leather-silk cloth thingy regular unprotected corpus soldiers use. Some parts look advanced, but whole torso and half of arms look cheap, just like regular Corpus soldiers do. I would suggest adding more power to his corpus (the body part, not faction), like zanuka or some machinery-like surfaces on his chest, to make it look more protected and technologicall than just cloth and 3 light bars on torso. Things like cables, more steel, some more tiny points of light between armor textures, stuff like that. I am aware, that artists can only put textures on default warframe model, with helmets being the only exception from this rule, but seeing how drastically they can change the way we percive the shapes with just normal maps is astounding, and I belive that this one can be even better than it is now.

Show how powerful Warframes are, not how cheap corpus is in equiping their frontline meat.

Originally posted by Furebel:

I am unsure why my personal opinion is causing some aggresion here.

Originally posted by Ebolamorph:

Have fn wasting your ammo because youre too blind to see a players damn name above their heads or take notice of what weapon theyre using. Also enemies tend not to bullet jump.

Ofcourse there are some significant differences in UI, animations and overall behavior that differentiate Warframe player from AI target, I never wrote that there will be any problem with the gameplay (EDIT: that part about shooting both was supposed to be partially a joke, to make shorter what I am writing this here, but I guess complex explanation was necesarry to show my point), even if you would swap models of frontline grenieer with excalibur, everyoune would know who is who in a fraction of a second (making Argonak's target pointing pretty useless by the way). The lore does not apply to tennogen either, and as I wrote before (making me wonder who really is blind here...) - I still upvoted that, because It is thematically perfect to corpus, and my only concern is that it does not look powerful as Warframes are.

Originally posted by JOHNSMITH11:

@Furebel I am sorry, but I do not share your opinion in the slightest. You said it doesn't look fit for Warframe but then gave a few reasons why it's PERFECT for Warframe. Saying that it looks "too corpus" shouldn't be a reason why it shouldn't be accepted seeing as how there is a Grineer skin for Valkyr that looks just as much Grineer as this skin looks Corpus if not more. Plus, Atlas is getting a new Grineer skin that looks like a beefed up grineer soldier so I think that this should be accepted hands down. GG

I am not even slightly upset knowing, that someone has different opinion than me, it's good to show pros and cons of an artwork from different perspectives. I understand that I might be not clear with my review, so let me get this straight what is difference between Graxx series and this one.

Graxx are grenieer-styled suit, that is true. But they look powerful, complex, they even have texturing of scratched and weared off paint, some explosion dust on them, generaly battle scars looking like they withstanded a lot of hit without harming precious tech that sits inside. This is not how regular grenieer dude looks, nor even some bosses. Graxx are different from grenieer soldiers, because they look way more powerful, with way more advanced and complex tech inside them, which certainly is not what queens would give to every single grenieer clone to enjoy.

Corpus are really simmilar to orokin. They worship money and want to show everyone how rich they are. But that does not work too well in combat. In fact, they use only necesary equipment in combat, and give their soldiers only what they need. This is why most of them look like they are wearing non-armored astronaut suit with cloth instead of steel on them. These regular soldiers look CHEAP compared to more powerful personas in Corpus. For example, while in Index most of the enemies are reskinned regular units, nearly every one of them looks more powerful. Reskinned corpus dudes have some more armor or aditional tech sticking out of their arms or back, they look more bulky, look protected and dangerous, like Nako Xol, or Rana Del.

As I said - it might be me, but I feel like this skin does not look powerful. Yes, it's leg mech-like armor looks strong and slim, his helmet is complex and aside from straight cubical neon bar in front - it looks like a nice piece of technlogy, and this is where it ends. Because the rest of it is the same cheap leather-silk cloth thingy regular unprotected corpus soldiers use. Some parts look advanced, but whole torso and half of arms look cheap, just like regular Corpus soldiers do. I would suggest adding more power to his corpus (the body part, not faction), like zanuka or some machinery-like surfaces on his chest, to make it look more protected and technologicall than just cloth and 3 light bars on torso. Things like cables, more steel, some more tiny points of light between armor textures, stuff like that. I am aware, that artists can only put textures on default warframe model, with helmets being the only exception from this rule, but seeing how drastically they can change the way we percive the shapes with just normal maps is astounding, and I belive that this one can be even better than it is now.

Show how powerful Warframes are, not how cheap corpus is in equiping their frontline meat.

>claims it doesnt look like warframe and wouldnt fit
>proceeds to give reasons that it does.

Also look at it this way, the graxx skins could be looked upon as the grineer trying to reverse engineer the warframes. How is thios no different? It isnt. It fits what the corpus would do with reverse engineering a warframe

Indeed, more so, the Valkyr we see and use is after Corpus experimentation (her deluxe skin being pre-experiment). Additionally, Vauban is heavily Corpus inspired, going as far as sharing the shame jumpsuit as several Corpus found in the index.

Originally posted by Ebolamorph:

>claims it doesnt look like warframe and wouldnt fit
>proceeds to give reasons that it does.

Also look at it this way, the graxx skins could be looked upon as the grineer trying to reverse engineer the warframes. How is thios no different? It isnt. It fits what the corpus would do with reverse engineering a warframe

I Thought giving more details will make it more clear... tl;dr, Skin looks good, but can and IMO should be better.
Also, I did wrote on the beginning about " Corpus attempt to mimic warframes". Well the thing is this does not look like a reverse-engineering warframe attempt, and I wrote it should have way more tech and less cloth to look like he is indeed corpus-frame. Now that I think about it, point "proceeds to give reasons that it does" is invalid. It does not look like a warframe. I pointed out it's pros and cons, if you do not understand some of these, I can try to make them even more clear, if you want.

Originally posted by Retro Rendition:

Indeed, more so, the Valkyr we see and use is after Corpus experimentation (her deluxe skin being pre-experiment). Additionally, Vauban is heavily Corpus inspired, going as far as sharing the shame jumpsuit as several Corpus found in the index.

I totally forgot about Vauban, this might be the best example of how corpus-tech warframe could look like. His armor looks thick, and has a lot of tiny tech-stuff in geometrical shapes sticking out of him here and there. He looks well equipped for his job, most of his surface looks like thick, hard leather-like material most warframes use. It looks like he has multiple layers of it on his sides, and it ads up to his beefyness. I don't think I have to mention, he does not look cheap at all, he looks like an absolute tech prodigy. I imagine, Corpus-calibur would be this state-of-the-art tech war machine, while this one like every regular corpus dude, he reminds me of an astronaut or engineer with steel armor on legs and head.

I will repeat that again - My point is not that it is terrible and shouldn't be in the game. My point is, that it could be way better, because the artist has great talent, and some warframe and swordmaster details would make him fit more into Excalibur theme (much like Mesa Graxx has her monocle-scope-thingy on her eye to fit gunslinger theme.)

Originally posted by Furebel:

Originally posted by Ebolamorph:

>claims it doesnt look like warframe and wouldnt fit
>proceeds to give reasons that it does.

Also look at it this way, the graxx skins could be looked upon as the grineer trying to reverse engineer the warframes. How is thios no different? It isnt. It fits what the corpus would do with reverse engineering a warframe

I Thought giving more details will make it more clear... tl;dr, Skin looks good, but can and IMO should be better.
Also, I did wrote on the beginning about " Corpus attempt to mimic warframes". Well the thing is this does not look like a reverse-engineering warframe attempt, and I wrote it should have way more tech and less cloth to look like he is indeed corpus-frame. Now that I think about it, point "proceeds to give reasons that it does" is invalid. It does not look like a warframe. I pointed out it's pros and cons, if you do not understand some of these, I can try to make them even more clear, if you want.

Originally posted by Retro Rendition:

Indeed, more so, the Valkyr we see and use is after Corpus experimentation (her deluxe skin being pre-experiment). Additionally, Vauban is heavily Corpus inspired, going as far as sharing the shame jumpsuit as several Corpus found in the index.

I totally forgot about Vauban, this might be the best example of how corpus-tech warframe could look like. His armor looks thick, and has a lot of tiny tech-stuff in geometrical shapes sticking out of him here and there. He looks well equipped for his job, most of his surface looks like thick, hard leather-like material most warframes use. It looks like he has multiple layers of it on his sides, and it ads up to his beefyness. I don't think I have to mention, he does not look cheap at all, he looks like an absolute tech prodigy. I imagine, Corpus-calibur would be this state-of-the-art tech war machine, while this one like every regular corpus dude, he reminds me of an astronaut or engineer with steel armor on legs and head.

I will repeat that again - My point is not that it is terrible and shouldn't be in the game. My point is, that it could be way better, because the artist has great talent, and some warframe and swordmaster details would make him fit more into Excalibur theme (much like Mesa Graxx has her monocle-scope-thingy on her eye to fit gunslinger theme.)

>tries to claim reasons it fit wasnt made
>previous posts contradict statement

@Ebolamorph
I am terribly sorry that the sole fact someone can have a different opinion than you is so insulting for you, that you can't just swallow it, but acting like a kid without giving valuable information does not benefit you at all.

Originally posted by Furebel:

@Ebolamorph
I am terribly sorry that the sole fact someone can have a different opinion than you is so insulting for you, that you can't just swallow it, but acting like a kid without giving valuable information does not benefit you at all.

>having different opinion
>somehow taken as "offensive"
this is a clear sign of butthurt. Did i hurt your wittle fee fees? Grow up

So? What is your point? If you describe being annoyed by discussion about something totally irrelevant to the topic as "butthurt", than yes, I may be butthurt. I don't care about your opinion unless it is focused critique. All I am asking you is to refrain from continuing irrelevant discussion, because all this time you have an issue with my personal opinion (which by the way would almost perfectly fit overall known deffinition of someone being butthurt), and ask you to construct critique. Why do you dissagree with me? This is what you didn't wrote about.

That is unless you think abusing ">" symbol in the name of sarcastic internet gag is informative and totally does not aim to annoy the object of discussion. At this point I would have to disagree, but if you will continue to do it (which I am 90% sure you will - I met people with attitude simmilar to yours many times before), than there is no reason for me to continue. I have a habbit to have too much faith in people, and I guess I fell into it right now, hoping that we can conclude some serious discussion, but well... If you think annoying people is more important, than your target is too far from mine, to convince me in continuing it. Sorry.