I'm lovin that 5 years later with no updates as far as I can tell this still works perfectly. xD

If you're still looking into how to give it a blanket Abrahamic opinion penalty, then

rf_abrahamic_opinion

is what you want. It seems to work correctly from what minor testing I've done with it.

Personally I don't see any issue with the prowess bonus, unless you were to code it so that it only works on non-left handed characters; from personal experience in HEMA fencing, and as a lefty, right handed swordfighters are often at a disadvantage against lefties because of the stance difference, as lefties inherently have an advantage, as defensive cracks can be exploited that might be solid in a righty vs righty match. Left handed swordsmen often have no choice BUT to train against right handed swordsmen, since only about 10-11% of the population is left handed.

I would suggest adding ambidextrous if you could, as others have suggested. It should also add prowess, but nullify the prowess loss from losing a hand, since a fully ambidextrous person can use either equally; however, it should also COST a lot, and only have a 1% chance of occuring

Maybe also add dubble handed, yes that is a thing

@Feivel Mind if I add you so I can DM you a bit about the coding? The code in your comment looks like it could work, but I'm having a bit of trouble getting it to show the trait in the game now that I started working on it a bit.

Could this be of any help?
faith.religion = { is_in_family = rf_abrahamic }

I would also join in to say, that +3 Prowess seems too much. I would even be fine with +1.

+3 prowess? For nothing? Don't mind me.
Siriusly, the bonus is just to good for the malus

I'd be happy to give this an update making the changes @Elvennoob described, along w/ a few other minimal changes as well. However, I'm not sure how one would go about coding an opinion penalty for the Abrahamic faiths only...

If someone wouldn't mind pointing me in the right direction, I'd be more than happy to put out an update for this.

still works perfectly, still essential

I agree, they saw as being left handed as a bad omen or a kin to that. Also, this may need an update

I would make it a Christian opinion penalty, or maybe at a stretch Abrahamic Group Opinion. (And not clergy only but just for the entire religion)

you should call is "sinister" that would be more appropriate for the context

Ah, the greatest disability in the modern age.

@Teutonician Health penalty for being left handed? Damn, no wonder I have cancer.

1.3?

maybe make it linked to a deviancy/witchcraft law?

@Teutonician I actually have no idea how to make penalty only for some religions clergy. There is no example of this in default game.

Feel like left-handed should only have -10 clergy should be for Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Also it should give a tiny health penalty (−0.25 ≤ value < 0). (https://www.healthline.com/health/left-handers-and-health-risk) . Also yeah ambidexterous should be the "genius" of the hands, being super rare but give twice the prowess and no heath benefits and no clergy opinion.

hey, can you add a ambidexterous trait?

can you make mod to make it a crime to be left handed, its clearly work of the devil.

As a Left-Handed, head of the councel of LHUE (Left-Hander union of europe) and King of prussia: I like it.

damn i wish being left handed increased my prowess irl..

Have you considered adding Ambidexterity as a trait?

I think you should make it so only catholics and orthodoxs have a bad opinion on this trait

Just tested it with sinful, feels pretty bad. I'll leave as it is.

I agree I think it's good the way it is, making it a sin would be weird. As for the percentages those are easy to change, anyone can go into the workshop files and set what they prefer.

bad idea making it considered sinful; only local preists would have considered it so

Inigo Montoya: I admit it. You are better than I am.
Man in Black: Then why are you smiling?
Inigo Montoya: Because I know something you don't know.
Man in Black: And what is that?
Inigo Montoya: I am not left-handed!

@Gearhead117, 10% feels pretty small in game, try it. And very good idea about making it sinful, it must be easy, I'll remove clergy_opinion modifier and replace it with sin.

Between reeducation to left handedness and the fact that CK3 characters represent only a small slice of the general population 5% is probably a healthy number. Trying marking it as sinful to Abrahamic religions.

As a lefty, I gracefully thank thee

neat

@Shadow, CK2 developers respectfully disagree

Should give a penalty. If you look up the history of the attitudes about left-handedness and phrases such as "right-hand man" or "left-handed comment".

Not at all <3

@Cyber Vixen, interesting ideas. I'll borrow those for later if you dont mind :)

Yeah, I will edit it to 10 in my game.
Anyway, good job :)

10-15 seems fair. Maybe you could try to add a few child education events specifically for religions that view left-handedness as sinister (at least Catholic).

Event - Catholic: 6-10 try to "fix" a lefty child with a few options. Catholic, non-cynical guardians will tend to try to fix it (maybe the realm priest will take an interest if you don't) with scaling stress penalties for Zealous etc if you don't try to fix it. A lefty parent could possibly form a closer bond with a lefty child. A cynical parent could probably go either way with no stress penalties.

I wonder what a zealous, sadistic guardian might do...

@Lemon Soul, well, some say its 10, some say its closer to 15. Once I play a game myself I'll see and tweak the numbers if needed.

After all, left-handed people in Middle Ages were usually reeducated to right-handedness. If 15 fells like too much I'll reduce it to something like 5.

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15% of characters isn't a bit much tho? Is it this high in real life? o.O
I thought it was between 5 and 10%

@Cyber Vixen, valid arguments, gotta change Prowess to +3. Will release update today once I'm done with Abdication mod.

CK2 -> CK3 (Personal Combat Skill -> Prowess reduction)

One-Eye: -10 -> -2 (80%)
Brave: 10 -> 3 (70%)
Craven: -10 -> -3 (70%)
Ill: -10 -> -4 (60%)

Wounded: -15 -> -2 (87%)

Inbred: -20 -> -2 (90%)
Consumption: -25 -> -2 (92%)
Leper: -25 -> -8 (68%)

Maimed: -30 -> -4 (87%)
One-Legged: -30 -> -4 (87%)

Infirm: -50 -> -6 (88%)

Blind: -100 -> -10 (90%)
Smallpox: -100 -> -10 (90%)
Plague: -100 -> -10 (90%)
Incapable: -100 -> -12 (88%)

So for the most part, prowess is 10 times lower than its equivalent trait, so long as your initial trait is above 10. If it was just a 10 - fairly minor - it could be 60% to 80% lower than what it once was. I'd set this trait at 2 or 3 prowess. Personally.

@HORSE, Sadly it does, I didn't figure out how to make penalty only for Abrahamic faiths. Such modificator doesn't exist for default traits. If someone know how to do this I'll update asap though

@GoatScream, @Cyber Vixen, This trait is basically copy from CK2. There it gave 10 Personal Combat Ability.

A prowess boost does make some sense (fewer people are left-handed so being a left-handed fighter could make it harder to fight against), but +7 is pretty steep.

Why does it adds more combat prowess tho?

Does the opinion penalty affect pagan clergy?

@Jord68 Thanks bud

Awesome mod, thanks for making it