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Karnak Twins Hard Mode Guide

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This guide will help you and your team beat the Karnak Twins on Hard mode, by providing roles and a team composition.

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Team Roles

Elite Waves

Bosses

Fight Phases

Tips

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Team Roles

The Twins fight mainly consists of 2 types of enemies, the Bosses/Twins themselves and the enemy waves (elites, melee enemies and specials).
This guide aims to provide a team composition for killing the waves to help your team focus the bosses, as well as some extra tips.

Your team composition and roles will mainly consist of:

Wave Killing
Psyker with Smite, Psykinetic's Aura, Seer's Presence, Venting Shriek, Becalming Eruption, Creeping Flames, Solidity, Empowered Psionics
The wave killing Psyker's main role is:

Using Smite to stun enemies, allowing the team to kill them
Killing any enemies left over
Clearing Rodin's mines so the team can dodge freely

Veteran with Plasma Gun, Krak Grenade, Survivalist, Field Improvisation, Demolition Stockpile, Voice of Command (with both ability modifiers), Rending Strikes, Focus Target
The wave killing Veteran's main roles is:

Kill waves with Plasma gun, prioritising Ragers, Crushers, Maulers, and Shotgunners
Cleaning up any other enemies left
Placing Ammo Crate for grenade replenishment

Boss Management
Ogryn with Frag Bomb, Loyal Protector, Attention Seeker, Bruiser
The boss management Ogryn's main roles is:

Taunt Rinda (Melee Twin), keeping them off the rest of the team
Use Frag Bomb if team is getting overwhelmed, restocking from Ammo Crate

Assistance
The 4th team mate can be any class with a stun or crowd control ability that can assist team mates quickly, and weapons to help kill the bosses.
Examples are:
Ogryn with Indomitable (Bull Rush) or Point Blank Barrage
Veteran with Shredder or Krak Grenades, Field Improvisation, Voice of Command
Zealot with Stunstorm or Immolation Greandes, Chorus of Spiritual Fortitude

Elite Waves

The following elite waves can spawn during the fight, spawning every 20 to 28 seconds.

2-3 Scab Shotgunners and 8-9 Scab Stalkers
2-3 Scab Maulers and 8-9 Scab Bruisers
2-3 Scab Ragers and 8-9 Scab Bruisers
1-2 Ogryn Crushers and 8-9 Scab Brusiers

Waves spawn from either the "East" or "West" of the arena.
A wave will spawn 5 seconds after the beginning of the fight.

The wave killing Psyker needs to keep an active watch for when these waves spawn, especially the ranged wave of Shotgunners and Stalkers, as they can start immediately dealing damage to team mates.

TO BE CONFIRMED: Additional melee and Scab elite enemies can spawn between waves, according to the game's random enemy spawning point system.

Specials will spawn at a normal rate when the Twins are up, and at 3 times the rate during the Tox Gas phases.

Bosses

Rodin Karnak
Rodin has 3 general attack patterns:

Shooting with his Plasma pistol
A kick with large amount of push back
Tossing his Tox Mines, which will arm themselves after a few seconds.

Rodin is the first Twin to first kill, due to his Tox Mines limiting the area players can fight in.
If in melee range, he can kick. His kicks and Plasma pistol shots can be easily dodged.

When a Tox Mine is triggered, they'll explode after a couple of seconds staggering the player and doing large amounts of toughness damage, or if the player is out of toughness, a decent amount of corruption damage.
They cannot kill the player, though will leave them at 1 HP.

If there aren't any Elites or other enemies to clean up, the wave killing Psyker should clear up the mines by triggering near the edge them then running out of their area.
Do not attempt to fully run through the mine's area, as most classes aren't fast enough.

Rodin has carapace armour on his head and upper left arm, with the rest of their body being unarmoured.
Rodin's shield takes in total 300% damage from melee, and 60% damage from ranged

Diagram for detonating Tox Mines safely:

Rinda Karnak - Melee Twin
Rinda has 3 general attack patterns:

A dash, which will very briefly stagger the players she hits (will disrupt a Pskyer's Smite)
A kick with large amount of push back
Quick melee attacks
A charged melee attack with a large area of effect attack

Rinda will continually pursue her target, attempting to stay in melee range, until switching to another.
She can be taunted by Ogryns, which is the main way of managing her.
Due to her using only melee attacks, with no other special moves, she's not as much of a threat as Rodin.

Be wary of her charged attacks, as they do hit behind her, and can hit a player from a longer range than expected.

Rinda's has carapace armour on her head and upper right arm, with the rest of their body being unarmoured.
Rinda's shield takes in total 200% damage from melee, and 100% damage from ranged

Fight Phases

The fight consists of 7 phases, with 4 fight phases and 3 Tox Gas phases.

Phase 1 is fighting the twins until one of them reaches 80% health.
Phase 2 is the First Tox Gas phase, with the Tox Gas deployment lasting 30 seconds.
Phase 3 is fighting the twins until one of them reaches 50% health.
Phase 4 is the Second Tox Gas phase, with the Tox Gas deployment lasting 40 seconds.
Phase 5 is fighting the twins until one of them reaches 20% health.
Phase 6 is the Third and last Tox Gas phase, with the Tox Gas deployment lasting 50 seconds.
Phase 7 is fighting the twins until they're both killed.

Tox Gas Phases
The arena consists of 2 halves, each with a Safe Zone.

Each Tox Gas Phase consists of the following:

The twins despawn
After a 5 second delay, the gas appears, but is non damaging
For the First Tox Gas Phase, there's a 12 second delay before the Tox Gas becomes active, giving time to reach a Safe Zone. For the Second and Third Tox Gas phases, this is a 7 second delay instead
The Tox Gas is deployed, starting the actual Tox Gas Phase
After the random range of time (see Alternating Timings below), the Tox Gas becomes inactive, and the Safe Zone alternates to the other half
After a 7 second delay, the Tox Gas becomes active again
The above 2 steps repeat until the Tox Gas Phase has ended (timings mentioned in the list of Fight Phases above)

Standing in the Tox Gas while it's deployed will remove your toughness. If all toughness is removed, it will corrupt your health until you're at 1 HP.
This means toughness regenerating abilities and talents can help you survive or even make you near immune while standing in the Tox Gas.

Specials will spawn at 4 times the rate during Tox Gas phases.

Elite waves will still spawn during the Tox Gas Phases.
Additionally, sets of 25 Poxwalkers will spawn from the "West", "East", "North" and "Middle" of the arena during the Tox Gas phases.

Alternating Safe Zone Timings - First Tox Gas Phase

Sedition, Uprising and Malice don't alternate sides on the First Tox Gas Phase.
Heresy alternates sides between every 35 and 40 seconds on the First Tox Gas Phase.
Damnation alternates between every 20 and 25 on the First Tox Gas Phase.
Hard Mode Damnation alternates between every 14 and 18 seconds on the First Tox Gas Phase.

Alternating Safe Zone Timings - Second and Third Tox Gas Phases

Sedition and Uprising alternates sides between every 40 and 45 seconds.
Malice alternates sides between every 18 and 25 seconds.
Heresy alternates sides between every 16 and 24 seconds.
Damnation alternates between every 15 and 22.
Hard Mode Damnation alternates between every 14 and 18 seconds.

Tips

Doing the normal Damnation fight can be helpful in learning Rinda and Rodin's attack patterns
The hard mode teleport bell can be unlocked at a lower difficulty, without having to go through the hard mode fight
Prioritise taking down the elite waves before the bosses. The bosses are much easier to deal with once alone.
Melee damage deals 100% extra damage to the Twin's shields
Rodin's shield takes in total 300% damage from melee, and 60% damage from ranged
Rinda's shield takes in total 200% damage from melee, and 100% damage from ranged
Lower each of the Twin's shields first, before destroying them
Make sure to kill Rodin first, to prevent him deploying his mines
Once Rodin is eliminated, clear out his mines, so the team can much more easily kite Rinda
You can sometimes abuse Rodin into continually doing kicks
If you've learned Rinda's attack pattern, you can attack her during her wind ups
Rinda's wind up attacks will damage you even if you're behind her
Wound curios generally don't provide as much benefit, take a Health curio instead
Having corruption resistance on your curios is recommended
Chain weapon's special attack can deal large amounts of damage to the Twin's shields
Always make sure to mark out elites and specials, so your Pysker and Veteran are aware of them

Veteran
Field Improvisation should apply to your whole squad, regardless of who deploys the Med Kit or Ammo Crate, however I've heard that sometimes this isn't the case
If your Ogryn has used his Frag Bomb, drop down the Ammo Crate so he can restock his grenade

Ogryn
As an Ogryn, do not use your shield's special while staying still. Your health will be corrupted by Rodin's Tox bombs, leaving you at 1 HP

Psyker
Having a gun instead of a staff may be useful, due to Smite always keeping you at high peril
Pskyers can dodge when using Smite. Dodge sliding (dodging then pressing crouch during the dodge] can also help reduce the chance of enemies staggering you out of Smite
Use Venting Shriek when you're at 100% peril and still need to lock a wave down. This is much faster than quelling, and will stagger enemies
Venting Shriek can also be useful to knock down and kill the Poxwalkers blocking your way when moving to the alternate Safe Zone during the Tox Gas Phases
If you're confident in your peril management, then you can swap out Venting Shriek for Telekine Shield, with the Dome and Sanctuary modifiers

Zealot
Chorus of Spiritual Fortitude can be useful during the Tox Gas Phases, when moving to the alternate Safe Zone

Example builds:
Wave Killing - Psyker: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ade3e35-5fa0-46d0-b34f-999f564b913a/twins-hard-mode-psyker-wave-killing

Wave Killing - Veteran: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ade428f-04bb-4ce0-8a6f-55b6fcc09958/twins-hard-mode-veteran-wave-killing

Boss Management - Ogryn: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ade442d-328c-42d0-8de0-f438bb424d7c/twins-hard-mode-ogryn-boss-management

Sources

8 commentaires

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Bristol 14 janv. à 9h30

Found this useful even if only mostly complete. If people want YOU to play the game for them they can uninstall and pay you to stream.

If you don’t play anymore, NBD. If people need to scrounge a bit, NBD. Thank you for the good starting point ^.^

Stepanma01 [créateur] 31 déc. 2024 à 8h09

@Wendigo. Sort of abandoned this, as I haven't touched the game in a while. This was more to provide information when the Karnak Twins came out, as they were quite difficult initially, when the way they worked and builds weren't known.
I'll go back through sources I used to see if they're up to date and will update the guide, but if they're not, then I'll hide this guide.

Wendigo 25 déc. 2024 à 6h16

Also not seeing a build for the Zealot?

Wendigo 24 déc. 2024 à 17h34

Please update your information, Especially after the changes that were made to the game.

Wendigo 24 déc. 2024 à 17h33

do people a favor, and post COMPLETED builds.
As credible as you 'might' be ... no one takes an incomplete build seriously.
Every single one of your builds on Gameslantern has missing information on both gear and curious, and yes they DO matter overall.

tres2b 28 juil. 2024 à 22h42

My main problem is nobody bothers to join my lobby…so even as a level 30, I can’t beat the normal uprising Karnak twins fight.

goybriel 6 janv. 2024 à 13h10

Very well made, even though I haven't even hit a level 30 on any char and am far from even attempting hard mode ^^

Bread 25 déc. 2023 à 14h11

Solid guide

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