Dota Underlords
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Lore/Speculation of Dota Underlords (All comments/corrections welcomed)
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In this guide we will be analysing the new Dota lore introduced in Underlords. Furthermore we will be making a lot of speculation on each of the underlords, including the potential new underlords that have heavily hinted out. Comments and any corrections to any mistakes I have made are welcomed.
   
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Introduction, Fair use, writing style and events of standard mode etc
The first draft of this guide was on 14th March 2020, and as the seasons continue this guide will be updated.

Overall you are free to talk or use any lore tidbits I mention in your personal videos/art/fanfiction etc, without referencing my guide. So if you are someone like Siractionslacks (16/03/20 update: SENPAI NOTICED ME) or Angermania, just go ahead and make your lore vid without giving thanks. JUST DO NOT MAKE A BLATENT COPY OF THIS GUIDE AND SUBMIT IT ON STEAM OR REDDIT.

Looking back I tend to write in a way that mixes up speculation with actual facts. Therefore when you see the words "potentially", "could be", "one reason" etc, that is speculation (although for the sake of guide I will try to have speculation in italics). Everything else should be treated as facts, or otherwise obvious conclusions. I will try and edit the guide more if you are not happy with the way I have written everything.

Another issue of course is that I am new to writing guides on steam, and I am still trying to understand what options are available.

Regarding Friendships and Rivalries

Before we go and discuss each characters lore, what you have to understand about city crawl lore is that it is preceding the events of either the standard mode, duos mode or knockout mode match. Both modes represent the full scale confrontation involving all the underlords, in comparison to the occasional scuffle with some hired thugs seen in city crawl.

So what you may see as canon allies and enemies for each underlord, is not going to hold in the main game modes. For example Hobgen had to fight Slark and even kill some of his allies, or alternatively Enno had to fight Medusa. However due to varied reasons such as negotiation, reconciliation, bribery, deceit, enslavement etc, that are up to your personal imagination such conflicts are resolved/forgiven/negotiated. For example you could see dragon knight fighting for Annessix again, despite the events of city crawl (or maybe you will see dragon knight fighting Annessix and her mercs, who knows). You could see Enno and Jull teaming up in duos mode, despite past transgression, with the reasons being completely up to the player.
Anessix

Anessix is an earthbound demon, and the premier magic and info vendor of White Spire by the end of city crawl. She primarily operates in the Little Revtal region of White Spire (I like to know why it is called that, Revtal and White Spire culture looks exactly the same from what he have seen and it is not like they are vastly separated).

Also obligatory goth mommy for the weebs.

Anessix's summoning and the Court of Ristal

It is unclear when she left her homerealm, it is not stated where exactly she is from. However when she first walked the mortal plane she resided within the Isle of Songs, where she was cult worshipped as some sort of lust idol I guess (somehow she managed to get the prop to work for her, not the other way round).

We don't know what her motivation to move to White Spire was. It could be that she was overrun and kicked out of the Isle of Songs by an angry mob, something she still has to deal with occasionally, or she thought that she was reaching the limit to what she could accomplish with her current act in the Isle of Songs.

Regardless she now aims to be lord of White Spire, with the backing of the Court of Ristal. Unlike other demons which prefer to mentally dominate and enslave mortals, see Shadow Demon, Anessix has built up her power subtly and tries to be on good terms with certain mortals (at worst, eventually she will plan on enslaving them). As part of being the primary magic and secrets vendor, she wants all warlocks and seekers of secrets to exclusively consult her. Even if it requires threatening a few uncooperative magi that refuse her services or otherwise killing the competition.

The way the hierarchy works in the Court of Ristal is still unknown, for example if could be rank/layer based (think the Divine Comedy). The Court of Ristal is located in the Aybssm, in which apart from being spelt differently, is where Shadow Fiend resides. She used to transverse there often for the usual bickering and backstabbing but these days she doesn't either because she is concerned for her safety or alternatively she can't anymore being an earthbound demon and all. Regardless Anessix's relationship with the rest of Court of Ristal is troubled. She wants to at least hold a higher position but there are forces in the court who are only interested in permanently keeping her on a leash then giving her any real authority. Overall the court has an unfavourably opinion on her, well almost everyone in that court is cutthroat and distrustful of everyone so she is not getting special treatment, and she is aware of it despite persistently paying the requested tithe of gold and souls.

However it is Shadow Fiend who is the most hostile to Anessix's rise to power in the court, to the point where he outright launches an attack agaisn't her. We will never no why Shadow Fiend attempted assassinating her, his own general motivations for collecting souls are already very mysterious.

Everyone hates Anessix (more or less) and wants to kill her

From underlords we learn that almost everyone is terrified of demons and the court of Ristal. Be they man or god, druid or knight, there are many outside factions who do not want Anessix and the Court of Ristal to have power in White Spire.

For example, the spirit brothers (likely lead by Void Spirit) do not want this Court of Ristal collaborator to take over White Spire. This might be due to how the Court of Ristal is imperialistic in terms of wanting to conquer all planes of existence. In particular, Void Spirit noticed her and the court of Ristal trying to manipulate the void for their own ends.

Certain primordials have similar hostilities to Anessix although she believes that she can at least negotiate, or manipulate, at least some of them even if she does eventually have to stab them in the back afterwards.

The flayed twins of Xhacatocatl also seem cautious on Anessix's powergrab, to the point where they sent agents to assassinate her. In fact said agents, presumably wearing the flayed twin mantle, have tried to set up semi-permanent shop in White Spire much to the despair of literally every other resident.

Terrorblade has also tried to assassinate her, but then again he seems to hate most of his own kind anyway. In particular his hostilities stem from a potential reality where Anessix would at best do great harm to him and worse put him back in that demon jail. He paired up with demon hunters during one of his attempts, although I don't know if that means hunters who kill demons or if they are hunters who are demons. Saying that, with Jull as a witness, Terrorblade did agree at one point to negotiate with Anessix. Although is not clear when this happens though, or if such negotiations eventually lead to Terrorblade's eventual hostility.

The relationship between Akasha (Queen of Pain) and Anessix is very inconsistent, depending on the political circumstances. One moment they are trying to outsmart or kill each other like most demons at the court of Ristal seem to be doing, the next minute they are best friends and chilling around town looking for boys to flirt with before torturing them.

Other demons are also operating in Little Revtal too, attacking Anessix's business interests and also seeking power in White Spire. Regardless, most power players and citizens still recognise Anessix as being the only reasonable demon in comparison to the others in White Spire.

She once enthralled Davion the Dragonknight to well slay dragons who were taking some interest in White Spire. When the enthrallment wore off, Dragonknight was furious over what she did to him and sought vengeance. With the help of his dragon allies, yep it is confirmed that dragonknight is actually friends with other dragons (perhaps because they just see him as Eldwurm possessing a human), he tried to kill Anessix but that attempt ultimately failed.

Otherwise Juggernaut also tried to duel Anessix, although he failed in the end. Similarly Axe has also tried to hunt down Anessix at some point, mostly due to the Oglodi hatred of demons.
Even Razor might not wish for Anessixs powergrab, or maybe he doesn't care (Not too clear on it) . Although it should be noted that Razor has some connections to the court of Ristal.

The dire cult also tried to raid Annessix's compound, even occupy it, for reasons unknown.

Anessix's other relationships and trivia
  • Her biggest rivalry is with Hobgen, but it not clear if Anessix had any relationship with Momma Eeb herself.
  • She also wishes wrestle port Slipshade away from Jull.
  • She used to co-operate with Enno, i.e use him for her own ends, although these days they are now rivals.
  • Although Anessix has contempt for everybody. She has particular contempt for Grek, although perhaps she does not treat him seriously. Still she is more than happy to enthrall Grek's beasts.
  • She is also hostile to J'Muy's sudden migration of his people into the city, and is actively trying to drive them off. She is envious of the tribe's talent for necromancy.
  • She persistently hires the Jasper circle for various assassination requests, not wishing to get her hands dirty. Not sure how Hobgen would feel that the Jasper circle, who a certain fairy used to belong to, is taking orders from his most hated rival.
  • Anessix in particular has an interest in humans, not sure why she doesn't for other species, at least in the belief that they can be groomed to obey and worship her. Many mortals turn to her for power or other gifts, such as eternal life. Predictably, there is always a price. Just like she did in the Isle of Songs, she is still trying to gain followers, also probably using this as a way to fill in her soul quota for the court.


Hobgen

Hobgen was formally the second in command to Mama Eeb, as her enforcer and legbreaker. He primarily operates in the New Tenebrous region of White Spire, which used to be where Momma Eeb focused on her activities too (so Hobgen was already the most recognisable authority within that part of White Spire even before her death).

Hobgen is an arsonist, but he refers himself as a serious arsonist. At one point he confronted bat rider when the troll was trying to burn parts of White Spire and upstage Hobgen in setting things on fire.

Hobgen and Momma Eeb

Out of all the underlords or power players, Hobgen seems be one of the least likely to be responsible for Momma Eebs death. He still visits and mourns at Mama Eebs grave every so often, at one point fighting back Anessix's goons when they ambushed him at Eebs grave (note Anessix "crossed the line", in terms of respecting Mama Eebs resting place, with that little stunt). If anything he seemed to be comfortable in his position as second in command, only now wishing to be the lord of White Spire for his own survival and to continue what he loves doing best.

To his day he still honours the non-aggression pact signed up between Eeb and the Quorum of Weeping Rose. When Hobgen discovered that several of their agents were infiltrating parts of White Spire, they were met with his fury. Weeping Rose then tried the negotiation approach, it didn't change the outcome.

Unlike Momma Eeb, he seems to have never got along with the Ravenhooks for reasons unknown (although a potential reason is that he saw them as competition for Eeb's favour). He has burned down the Rookery at least once before Eebs death and he did it again after her death too either because there was prisoners he wanted or just for the sheer hell (literally) of it.

Hobgen the Decision Maker

Now for the first time, Hobgen has to hold responsibilities and decisions that he has never had to consider in his life. Such responsibilities include not wasting money on matches (expensive matches??) or other endulgences.

Hobgen has some idea on what good profitable ventures exist such as protection/security services, retail development and streetdocs. However his overall strategy to keep them operational is all about the might, destruction and violence. This is someone who killed a Sapphire Archon just so that he can steal their fashion sense, simply asking the mage for help temporarily was out of the question which says a lot about his character.

Hobgen occupies the relatively wealthy but still undeveloped New Tenebrous region of White Spire. He intends to expand the area by destroying the forest that borders it, much to the protests of druids, fey and other forest folk. Technically it was Momma Eeb's plan to expand out the region, although she was murdered before she saw her plans to come to fruition, Hobgen is just following the plan where she left off.

In fact due to his slash and burn approach, he has caught the ire of Beastmaster over murdered thundertusks. Furthermore Beastmaster has called the help from his friends, Lycan and Drow Ranger, to counter Hobgens expansion.

Hobgen the Mentlegen (;D)

Hobgen is in love with Mireska Sunbreeze, to the point of unhealthy obsession. He has tried to show off to her and send her gifts, one such gift was going to be a giant straw/plush toy of himself (seriously Hobgen), but he has not received any love in return. His love is also born out of the desire to control Revtal.

He even killed some of lord Sunbreeze's agents, something that Mireska's father has held Hobgen in contempt for, but that wasn't even enough (while Revtal is not involved in White Spire politics, that could change with Hobgen's actions). Despite this little stunt, Hobgen still believes that he can win Lord Sunbreeze over, and even has requested a suit to be made for the day when that arrives. My best guess is that Hobgen's plan is for Mireska to see how dashing and incredible he is. Then the next part is to take her to Sunbreeze with the hope of both getting the girl he wants and his approval too for bringing her back using a less violent approach. KA-CHING, gets the girl, gets the big inheritance and a massive boost to this authority.

For all we know, Hobgen was the reason why Mireska quit the Jasper Circle because he kept acting like a creepy customer at a cafe asking to be served by a specific waitress.

Hobgen's other relationships and trivia
  • His greatest rivalry is with Annessix, the two hate each other with a passion. Hobgen even requests dummies that resemble her to use as target practice.
  • Similarly to the other underlords, he does not like what J'Muy is planning and has kicked out or killed his troll agents.
  • Is annoyed with Broodmother using abandoned buildings as a nesting ground, forcing Hobgen to perform pest control.
  • When Slark and other dark reef escapees tried to create a gang in Hobgens territory, I guess because Jull requested Slark not to claim any part of Port Slipshade for his own, Hobgen successfully kicked them out.
  • He once had to break up a fight between magis, by killing them all (or some of them). All in the name of not wrecking New Tenebrous through the arguments.


Jull

Jull both operates a bar and smuggling business at Port Slipshade. He is the most honourable and compassionate, or at least he likes to believe so, of the current playable underlords of season 1, for example rewarding hard work with good pay and defending the weak (unless they are backstabbing weaklings of course). His long term goals are to completely control imports and exports in White Spire.

He is a walrus thing.

Jull's past life and moving to White Spire

In his past life, he was pretty much just another Tusk. The only thing he wanted to do was fight in bars, and grew a revered reputation for it. At some point though he moved on from being the brawler to training them up, or maybe training fighters is something he occasionally did. Finally he was hoping to earn the simple lifestyle of tending bar in White Spire, however White Spire is not kind to the honest businessman and to survive he had no choice but to brushen up his brawling skills again and use what ever criminal means possible.

He sometimes ponders/daydreams on the state of his life, there appears to some regret on the monster he has become. He tries to do what ever good he can and he wishes to be seen as a noble knight rather than a crook. Regardless it doesn't wash over all the cruel actions he has undertaken. At the end of the day his general philosophy is that it is better to be feared but thriving, in comparison to holding the moral high ground but impoverished and having everyone trample over you.

His past relationship with Tusk is not certain, but they were at least friends in Jull's youth.
Perhaps it was Jull who mentored Tusk to the fighter that he was. Alternatively they could of been rival brawlers, but still on good terms. He does want to be friends again with Tusk. On the other hand he also wants to see Tusk lose a fight badly, but its up to speculation of what Jull's motivation is, as he is currently training Bristleback, potentially given out some knowledge regarding how his people fight, to win agaisn't Tusk.

Jull the bartender and bar owner

The bar that he operates is "The Sundered Moon", the very same pub/establishment where Arc
Warden gave Zeus some of his former powers back as seen in the comic "The Sundered Moon".
I don't know why he has this policy that you have to kill something to enter the front door, might just be some one-off joke.

While Jull tries to compete for customers from various bars and wine/beer brewers, the most formidable is the mage-run "Cantrip Mana Lounge and Bar". Jull has been attacked by both payed goons, and even customers, from Cantrip Cocktails. Saying that Jull has done the same as well. In particular, agents from Weeping Rose tried to intimidate Jull over his aggression agaisn't Cantrip but of course this was not going to work on this stubborn walrus. From this we know that Cantrip Cocktails and Weeping Rose are very strongly connected to each other, and Cantrip might be a much bigger magic-based organisation headquarted in Weeping Rose that focuses on everything magical (but there is still a lack of clarification) . It is unknown what happens to Cantrip Cocktails after Jull dominates Port Slipshade.

His signature cocktail is a mixture of Icewrack white and plague ward venom. Where he even gets these plague wards is unknown, the only one could offer the wards is Venomancer and his lore indicates that he is not the type of banana who wants to be exploited. People have died drinking it but those who survived rave about how amazing it is, either because of the taste or the likely drug induced hallucinations it causes.

Using the cocktail, he managed to earn a seat into an elite coterie known as the White Orchids, which, which has multiple branches across the world. White orchids members mostly consist of the middle class but do include a few patrons of royal heritage too. Snapfire is also a member. Apart from serving his own drink, he has helped them hunt and prepare wyrm filet, a popular delicacy amongst its members (although Jull regrets killing dragons, he is not so sympathetic to their political meddling). Jull sees them as potential investors, and is trying to act more refined and etiquette in their presence.

Jull the smuggler

His other business venture though involves the smuggling of goods back and forth from Dark Reef (at the very least it is Dark Reef), with some initial help from Slark who was supposedly the first successful escapee of Dark Reef and now knows its many secrets.

This is very interesting, despite Dark Reef being a maximum security prison there seems to be at least some level of corruption or at least criminal activity happening under the guards .... umm do fish have noses? Anyway Dark Reef at least has some brewing operation, which given that many prisoners are held in a labyrinth-like pit makes such an operation possible, although Jull thinks their drink is terrible and only good for rich patrons making beverage tasting reaction vids (:D).

However it is probably not the drink that is Jull's prime smuggling good, it is likely other prisoners let off for a high ransom (or otherwise) and other illegal goods/artifacts either confiscated/stored or crafted at Dark Reef . Many of these said escapees go on to work for Jull part/full time or join Slark's gang (although it is unclear if Slark is still operating the same gang during those events of Dota 2 or not, instead of working for the Jasper Circle).

Jull's other relationships and trivia
  • His other minor business venture is being a loan shark, and will happily do the leg breaking personally if debt is not repayed.
  • Out of the underlords, Jull is the one underlord who really does not want to pick fights with the other warring crime lords. Instead he prefers negotiation, such as the one time he shared a drink with Anessix and otherwise is on good terms with Wren. However he is constantly pestered and even attacked by Enno, and it appears that Enno was the one who started it and puts substantially more effort in annoying Jull than the other way around.
  • Jull tried to be on friendly terms with Grek, but Grek being irrational as his lore has hinted at still lashed out at Jull. Angrily, Jull went to Grek's menagerie and killed his prized year beasts. Afterwards he then chopped up and served the beasts as a special promotional feast to the White Orchids.
  • While Jull did get along with Anessix up to a point, that all changed when he discovered that she wished to take over port Slipshade.
  • Was on good terms with Momma Eeb, but is not clear what position Jull held in her hierarchy.
  • Jull hated Axe for a long time after getting into a fight with him, Jull coming out the loser. Goodkind was trying to smooth things over, but Axe got angry when Jull temporarily banned Axe from his establishment. This led to Axe confronting Jull again, but this time Jull came out the winner. Eventually, after finally being satisfied with his takeover of port Slideshade, Jull seems to have forgiven Axe.
  • Lycan tried to kill Jull, apparently blaming Jull for some part of the execution of the Ambry family. While Jull claims that he sees the connection, Jull claims that he is not to blame for those events (or is he??). We don't know what Jull's connection was to the former king of Slom. Regardless the ensuring fight almost ended up killing some innocent bystander, but thankfully Jull was protective of her which further boosted his reputation at Port Slipshade.
  • Has some concern regarding Sand Kings presence in White Spire, with Jull's network of smuggling tunnels under threat.
Enno

Enno is the so called slumlord of the Warrens, which he considers his kingdom. However he appears to consider the Warrens as not a part of White Spire, but its own sovereign land (him being the sovereign of course).

Enno likes to style himself as a king and protector, this is despite the fact he mostly acts like a bandit and an overly materialistic kleptomaniac. However he considers his violence and stealing to be artistic and elegant compared to the other thugs that reside in the Warrens.

His true age might be 5 years old, he is just a little tot.

Enno the king

Enno is extremely hostile to anyone who he believes doesn't belong in the Warrens. Be it hunters, tourists, knights, scavengers, thugs, assassins etc. But he is very protective of others, at least his own people where at one point he saved them from being eaten by dragons and other times where they were exploited. Likely there are other creatures who Enno accepts as true civilians of the Warrens. He still allows outsiders to enter the Warrens, but they must pay tribute to him.

Even though he never had a place in Momma Eeb's power hierarchy, unlike some of the other underlords, she still respected Enno as a power player.

He has put himself in harms ways to protect the Warrens, despite their being no clear materialistic benefit to him. Some of his heroic acts include,
  • Stopping poachers from hunting creatures he favours in the Warrens, or alternatively they exist only for his people to hunt instead.
  • Putting an end to Necrophos's, along with his disciples/acquaintances, scheme to bring pestilence to the Warrens. Although this forced Enno to murder "patient zero".
  • Just like Hobgen, he has had to deal with Broodmother when she laid her brood in the Warrens. Saving it from infestation.
  • Stopping warlocks from exploiting the poverty of the residents of the Warrens (his people are not for sale) when the warlocks were looking for volunteers to perform experiments.
  • Putting an end to an undead scourge occurring in the Warrens, but it is not clear who was responsible for it. This has happened at least twice, some of the corpses themselves were some of Enno's previous victims. Furthermore it is unknown how these group of undead differ from the Cadaver Men (see "Speculated Underlords:Carl").
  • Medusa, working with Earth Spirit (I ship this couple, although nothing beats SlarkXNaga) was destroying the Warrens in her wrath, forcing Enno to work with other mercenaries to fend them off.
  • Ethreain the Lich has also tried to make the Warrens his own kingdom, recruiting cruel or undead creatures in order to accomplish this. As usual, Enno put a stop to the drifting deadman's plan.

Regardless he has done murderous acts that put the other underlords to shame, including the mass poisoning of "undesirables" who did not fit his image of the Warrens.

Enno the street thug

Despite his questionable noble duties, Enno always seeks the most valuable treasures possible, which at one point included Keeper of the Lights staff.

Basically his life is to wake up, eat something, stab someone, steal their stuff, eat again and repeat. It is not clear whether he was forced into this life due to his own choices or because his people are discriminated for their inability to have proper dialect and their refusal to wear pants.
It seems to be the latter given that he pontificates on social economic status, has a negative opinion on civility and how individuals treat each other awfully (Enno confirmed hypocrite). Although as seen with YipYip, if he even is part of Enno's species, they can at least write.

It was natural that at some point his mugging and thieving ways was going to get him into conflict with the Ravehooks, White Spires premier debt collectors and retrievers of stolen goods. The Ravenhooks managed to get the better of Enno, locking him up in the Rookery. In order to get released he probably had to return his stolen goods, but also work with the Ravenhooks on their day to day thieving business. After his service ended he was given a customised mask to remind him of his time with the Ravenhooks and being at the Rookery itself. If Ricky and Enno are friends, this might be how Enno met Ricky. Otherwise it is unclear if this event made Enno more cautious on who he mugs.

It is unknown why Enno constantly, constantly harasses Jull. It could be a literal case of revenge. Alternatively he thinks Jull sounds funny when he gets angry (to Enno, this is a hobby). Still Enno does go to some extremes, such as paying goons to attack Jull business interests and even robbing his house. He occasionally has to deal with Jull's own hired thugs too, those thugs also include former prisoners that were locked up in dark reef.

Enno's other relationships and trivia
  • Wolves are his favourite delicacy.
  • Enno's relationship with fey and forest folk is very unclear. For what the evidence shows, Enno seems to not really care much for nature, although he might just simply be protective of the creatures that reside within the jungle like environment that is the Warrens.
  • Its implied that Enno doesn't know how to write, perhaps even read, and is dependent on his seneschal, YipYip, to send any messages either verbal or non-verbal communication.
  • We don't know much about Ennos people as well. There is suggestion that White Spire is their ancestral homeland, and despite it being taken over they simply won't abandon it. His people at least might have a strong connection to nature, even if he doesn't.
  • He is friends with Treant Protector, but given that White Spire is supposedly far away from Roseleaf it is unknown how they met in the first place.
  • Enno is very hostile to the Dire cult, and believe that they would lead to the end of White Spire as he knows it. He might be trying to poison some of the cultists he spots. It is not clear what his opinion is on the Radient cult.
  • J'Muy saw the Warrens as an easy initial target in his conquest of White Spire, however he underestimated Enno's ability to organise attacks agaisn't his agents and emissaries.
  • Enno has also picked a fight with the Jasper Circle, when he attacked all their safe houses and its occupants earning Lorlin Lasans anger. This was over the fact that Lorlin refused to pay rent to Enno.
  • Snapfire was considering opening a bakery in the Warrens. However after getting attacked by Enno, who never asks for anything in his life, to get a taste of her cookies she decided agaisn't it.
  • There is also this really weird lore tidbit where Enno has a fight with Arc Warden, and somehow this has to with a budding mango industry or something. Personally I think this is a joke reference to Arc Warden's initial release in Dota2 with his Mango, Healing Salve and Divine Rapier abuse every time he tempest doubled.

Speculated Lords Part 1 (at least for season 2)
It has been confirmed that the four new underlords for season 2 are going to be
  • Turath
  • Grek
  • Carl
  • O'Nia

Grek has been the most discussed in city crawl, meanwhile the other three have had quite little attention (although with these weekly early bird releases that is all changing). This was probably because the developers were not sure what type of personalities or characteristics they should have.

There are also other potential underlords to discuss, I will update on them later. For now here is what we know about the upcoming underlords.

Grek Speculation



Grek is one of the planned new underlords that we will see in season 2.

Making his first appearance in the dota comic "A New Journey", he is the owner and fight manager of "The Grand Arena" and a beastcollector/tamer. It is unknown what species he is, but he resembles an anthropomorphic lizard. His design has had a few minor alterations since his initial appearance, but it is mostly the same.

In the past, "The Grand areana" seemed to focus on fake fights, think typical wrestling matches. A popular fighting duo was Wukong the Monkey King and Breklin the Living Anathema. However Grek started to respect that what White Spire really wanted to see was blood sports, or perhaps Grek has always been doing such shows for a while , and decided to incorporate more decapitations and casualties in his shows. Thus he recruited pit fighters from Quoidge (or at least random chaff from the fields of Endless Carnage) and forced Monkey King and Breklin to fight them off. Wukong left in disgust, although Breklin accepted Grek's new business proposal.

He uses all matter of creatures for pitfights, so think cockfights but with large dangerous beasts and along with willing combatants (or slaves) involved too. He has at least captured/bred/tamed hellbears, wildwings, thunderhides and even year beasts (how he managed to get those things is impressive). Let he seems uninterested, or perhaps intimidated, of bears. This may due to some traumatic experience he had in the past, or just finds them poor entertainment failure. Grek also has a policy that if you do no cheer or boo if you are part of the audience, then he will request the ravenhooks to arrest you (don't know if this is canon anymore though).

What is interesting is that Grek has made some sort of pact with the Radient cult. He actually has Radient zealots accepting orders from him, such as attacking Jull's business interests and participating in his promotional fights, but it is not clear what he is offering the Radient in return. It is questionable how much he can control them since, for reasons unknown, there was an incident where many Radient cultists went completely berserk and started to kill everyone in sight. Although the most likely reason is perhaps the recent Dire presence in White Spire triggered something mentally in them, either through Kanna's manipulation or feeling a certain threatening presence that led to an impulsive rage (after all they do make the effort to attack creep camps instead of sticking to their lanes in the War of the Ancients). Grek lost both at least a chunk of his Radient talent and some of his non-Radient fighters on that day.

Grek personally believes that he has never respected as a power player in White Spire, personally dissed by Mama Eeb herself. Although according to Hobgen, Grek seems to be new to the whole criminal underlord business despite his power ambitions. He is overly sadistic to his rivals, was even planning on opening an exhibit of wildwings pecking Enno's corpse.

He is so powerful that he has strategically attacked every single of the four current underlords. Alternatively he is an easily jealous and needy man who is lashing out on everyone, consequences or stretched resources be damned. The only person he seems to sort of get along with is O'Nia.

Not sure what his primarily rivalry will be, maybe just everyone.

Turath Speculation



Turath is a religious/cult prophet and a powerful sorcerer (powerful enough to be seen as a threat) who desires to understand the mysteries of creation and, given his quotes, wishes to hold the power of such creation to remake the world in his image.

He is also an escapee of the Tyler Estate, and an enemy of the Sapphire Conclave who has teamed up with the estate to hunt Turath down. Turath is particularly concerned about Crystal Maiden and Anti-Mage.

Turath considers himself as a saviour, but saviour agaisnt the "light" (as in "Keeper of Light" light).
Turath might be related to Night Stalker, or alternatively might share a similar genetic makeup such that light becomes almost fatal to him.

He has many disciples, who garb themselves in this rather eeary getup.

It is unclear what he sees in White Spire, and why he believes he should be the Lord of White Spire. Furthermore it is unclear of where his income comes from.
Speculated Lords Part 2 (at least for season 2)
Carl Speculation



Carl is one of the potential new underlords for season 2, although he hasn't had much exposure compared to Grek or J'Muy. He is an undead merchant who hand produces and sells various medicines, surgery services, tools and clothing. He is primarily a tailor. However his main ingredient for all his products is well .... corpses. The fashion he produces tend to be producing by tanning bodies. I don't think tanning a human is scientifically practical, but I wouldn't say the same for the other species of the dota universe.

He was originally born as a humanoid creature, but given that he has five fingers it is most likely that he was a former human. More disturbingly he doesn't have any eyeballs, you would think that inserting a few fake eyes would make him more appealing. Although he is an undead creature he doesn't seem to have any necromantic abilities like J'Muy, he is more of a handyman.

Carl originates from Quoidge and is part of an advocacy group, and perhaps the same goes for much of the undead diaspora of White Spire, known as the Cadaver Men. The Cadaver Men are representatives of anything undead in White Spire, and also act as diplomats and tradesman on behalf of Quoidge. The current spokesmon is Reginald Blight the Third, although we don't know how their hierarchy works.

Regardless the Cadaver Men seem to only care for their own or alternatively have a rather messed up (or alien) sense of morals, the same goes for Carl, which tends to lead to misunderstanding or conflict in White Spire. For example he will purchase any material from any dodgy gravedigger, and never seems to question the origins or show proper respect for the deceased. This is especially true for scavengers who dig for bodies at the best murder spot, the Warrens. Enno also has a habit of mugging said oblivious scavengers. Many residents who are missing a loved one, or otherwise, have to go to his shop to check if they can find the missing corpse amongst the selection of wears. It is still not clear if he differentiates using ingredients made from the "dead dead" or the undead.

Another example of Carl's obliviousness to others distaste is when he tried to sell his tailored wears at a farmers market, however he was confronted by a very angry Axe and Disruptor who took a great deal of offence when they saw that his merchandise was made from Oglodi corpses. During Axe's mindless rampage, stalls were torn part and many turnips were fatally squashed on that tragic day. Despite this, Carl and the Cadavar Men believe that it was the two Oglodi who were in the wrong by showing non-dead prejudice. Either way, this event has at least temporarily scarred Carl. He is no longer hiring Oglodi mercs for his business interests, and is at least trying to
make more clothes from more non-sentient creatures (so likely to pick a fight with druids instead) although who knows how long that would last for.

He also has regular contact with Pudge, no surprise given both were either former residents or visited Quoidge. He is also friends with Vincent the Zombie, an upstanding resident of White Spire.

His motivation to become the lord of White Spire is not clear. Furthermore it is unknown how he died.

If he is in season 2, he may end up having a strong rivalry with J'Muy regarding control of the undead.

O'Nia Speculation



O'Nia is one of the upcoming underlords for season 2. She is a merchant/bank/money-lender themed lord. It is unclear what exactly she is given the comic like art. She might be part of Azwraith's or Lion's species, given her blue cat like appearance and, just like the two other characters, she has large pointed ears to the side of her head. Alternatively she might be a fairy dragon, given the wings on her back (although they might just be a fashion statement) and the fact she resembles some of Puck's alternative skins/forms albeit without the extra appendges.
Regardless, she does not resemble any of the old silhouettes from the beta stages

O'Nia used to work in Revtal, until being banished for reasons unknown. However O'Nia still maintains many connections in Revtal, and uses the trade happening in or around White Spire to her advantage. She seems very open to trade or diplomacy to absolutely anyone, be they the house of Avernus or the court of Ristal.

While the Ravenhooks usually deals with matters of repossession and unpaid debt, O'nia does not trust the Ravenhooks and prefers to use her own leg breakers. It could be also be because she might try to keep certain clients into debt traps or dependency, and the Ravenhooks might soon catch on to this. She has loaned money to various underlords, including Hobgen who was forced to fend off her personal debt collectors. Naturally this has made Hobgen weary of her, especially since she did try to deliberately cut off Hobgen's revenue, via her connections to Revtal, potentially to make him more dependent on her. She has loaned money to Meepo, probably so that he can repay the debt owned to Momma Eeb's criminal cartel, but now Meepo
appears to indebted to O'nia and now might in a far worse financial situation than he originally was.

Like Annessix she has a strong interest in hiring all sorts of assassins such as Bounty Hunter, Nyx Assassin, Viper (although Viper more acted as her bodyguard than an assassin for a time) and any Jasper Circle assassin. She is shown to be very paranoid if other assassin guilds, such as the Veiled Sisters, are targeting her. Even to the point of seeking Dazzle's help in order to make her impervious to death.

She is on good terms with Grek and at one used their combined wealth to hire brutes
to attack Anessix.

In the past, it is implied that O'nia did something wrong to Keens as a whole and is concerned
about the rise of the S.O.L.K.
Background characters (Part 1), Important Organisations and Other White Spire Facts
There is lore that is not related to the underlords themselves, but do play an important part in the on-goings of White Spire society. This will mostly involve characters, but also certain organisations if their lore is very large and significant.

Momma Eeb



Momma Eeb is a corpse in a coffin, and was the former lord of White Spire.

Given her portrait and the opening cutscene, she appears to resemble a Keen, not a Smallkeen , with very pale skin. Her ears twist in a similar way to Snapfire, and likely her supposed "daughter" is also a keen . That is not a guarantee though, she might be some other species that we haven't seen before (although she is definitely not a troll). If she is a Keen, then she doesn't appear to have the knack for inventions at first glance. When mentioning inventors, none of the underlords reference Momma Eeb as a Keen herself. Furthermore she actually sees a simple rural farming environment, without the tech you would see the likes of Timbersaw use, as a welcome change to the pace of city life is again a little out of character given the Keens knack for inventions.

Her past is unknown, including how and why she become lord of White Spire.Not only did there used to be true law and order in the city before an eventual breakdown, but is was through Momma Eeb's actions that led to said breakdown in White Spire. Even though she claimed the title of lord of White Spire, she still allowed the city go into lawless disarray.

She believed that a charismatic personality, a cunning mind and the strength/willingness to do whatever questionable actions in the pursuit of power is what makes her truly worthy to be the lord of White Spire. It is those aspects that she expects her successor to also follow too.

Her main operational area was in New Tenebrous, but she at least had some vassal like control over the other parts of White Spire. Momma Eeb always had plans to expand New Tenebrous, but she was murdered before she could see these plans to come to fruition. Both Anessix, Hobgen and Jull were given some position in Momma Eebs criminal empire. The exception was with Enno, but she still respected him as a power player.

She was good friends with Snapfire, and I guess given that Keen seem to always know each other than this is no surprise. There is some hints that they may have travelled together to various parts of the Dota world such as the Jidi Isle. During such vacations, Eeb may have abducted or purchased various native animals. In particular Momma Eeb loved monkeys, lemurs and other imp like creatures (Sneevils included, although they are an artificial creation) from such places. Personally would not be surprised if she got wet for Monkey King.

Ravenhooks



The Ravenhooks are a semi-secretive organisation headquarted in White Spire. They are primarily thieves and debt collectors. However their thieving business is focused on retrieving stolen goods. Should anyone be able to afford the Ravenhooks services, it is likely that would be completely immune to be mugged by some street wannabe or having their home broken into by some unimportant riffraff (something that is probably highly valued in White Spire). What the Ravenhooks do to the the perpetrators is unknown. They are also assassins, perhaps when debt can only be paid with ones live or if they were ordered to as part of some contract.

We have seen what a Ravenhook looks like, given their original dota Artifact card. They are not as cute or high-pitched as Ricky. Not only are they primarily Ravens, but they also use actual ravens to track down stolen goods.

They appear to own and operate the Rookery, which is a prison in which by the sound of it is something they took over rather than built themselves. They potentially use it as a sort of ransoming hold until the "convicts" friends and families pay up their debt. Additionally they agree to lock up other prisoners too, many who are locked up are there for chicken related crimes (... what). The prison itself has fallen into disarray though under the Ravenhooks management, and went from being well fortified to being rather easy to escape providing that you have the right talents (Hobgen has done it at least once). They hire volunteers to guard the place, emphasise on the word "volunteers" it is hard to say they get paid for their work.

Otherwise they own a newspaper, the Early Bird, giving the latest scoops on each of the underlords activities or just news on the general chaos happening in the city.

They may have been Mama Eebs most trusted force, as seen in the intro, and Eeb herself could of had some part in either the creation of the Ravenhooks or alternatively their newspaper. So much so that the Ravenhooks might have forgiven Hobgen, back when he was working for Eeb, for burning down the Rookery at least once. It is unknown how long the Ravenhooks will tolerate Hobgen now that Eeb is gone
Background Characters (Part 2), Important Organisations and Other White Spire Facts
Ricky Ravenhook



Ricky is the mascot for the early bird newspaper, and perhaps for the Ravenhooks as a whole. He is also the mascot for various other merchandise too, such as balloons. He considers himself a "bad guy".

Although it is unclear if he actually exists, so far the evidence indicates that he is very much real and is one of the younger brothers of the Ravenhook family. Given that he is considered a scamp, can handle his booze, is much smaller than his father and is friends with Ilexa implies he is at the very least a teenager.

If he does have a role in writing or drawing any of the Ricky Ravenhook comics, which given that he is part of the Ravenhook family it would not be a surprise, then he likes to apply a dark sense of humour in these strips. This includes his willingness to inflict violence on others, or at least he would like to, and is amused by cruel acts that the underlords and citizens of White Spire inflict on each other.

He might be friends with Enno.

He owns a small wooden bike, not sure why a raven thing would need a bike. Not to mention is not clear how he uses it, since it is based on the first ever bicycles which had no pedals.

Ilexa



Ilexa is a Radient creep, who makes several appearances in the early bird comic strips. It is unclear what her role is in the bird paper, she could be the artist of the comic strips or is a journalist/writer . She at least has her own personal comic strip called Ilexa's Corner.

She originally appeared in the first monkey king comics, "A New Journey" and "Legends of The Monkey King", where the war of the ancients was starting to really pick up. In those comics she was still a young child. It is unlikely that she is that much older from those events, although she appears to have gained a new haircut since then. Unless the events of underlords occurred before then .

She still maintains a strong religious relationship to the Radient despite being distracted by the typical ungoings in White Spire. Her father is also a Radient creep but she still is good friends with various kids who are clearly not Radient or dire indoctrinated. This includes Ricky Ravenhook and just like him she is fairly neutral towards some of the more darker on-goings in the world.

She is a massive fan of Monkey King and his adventures. Owns her own fake Monkey King bar she got from some overcharging merchant.
Background Characters (Part 3), Important Organisations and Other White Spire Facts
J'Muy Speculation



Originally making his appearance as a hero character in Artifact, he is a dark troll chieften and a powerful shaman/necromancer with the ability to resurrect any of his killed agents/allies and cast other powerful spells.

Forced to flee from his original homeland in Roseleaf, due to the battle between the Red Mist Army and the Bronze Legion, he seeks asylum for his people at Weeping Rose. However he has to help the Quorum invade White Spire in order for his request to be granted. J'Muy seems to have agreed to their request, unlike the other underlords who do not wish to be puppets of Weeping Rose. Given his dialogue in Artifact, conflict was the outcome he really wanted to avoid. Then again fighting
a bunch of divided criminal underlords reliant on mercenaries, with no real army of there own, seems more appealing than getting involved in a fight between two Empires (something Rix learned the hard way).

In order to do this, he seems to have organised a fairly peaceful troll migration to White Spire.
This includes his own people but perhaps other tribes too from far away lands have agreed to assist him, even Witch Doctor and Shadow Shaman have reunited with each other after being distant for so long (now they spend their time showing off various magic and spells in the streets like in the old days).

It is implied that trolls are not even uncommon in White Spire and this has taken all the other underlords by surprise.

It is unclear if he is going to be a potential underlord choice. If he is then he may end up having a strong rivalry with Carl regarding control of the undead.

Mostly likely though his lore is going to be more dependent on some of the new changes in Artifact 2.0. Therefore with the original creators of J'Muy are taking back control of the character, this means that there is a good chance that his role might be diminished in season 2.

Zenok the (I HATE THIS CHARACTER) Fence

Okay I want to be honest, I really hate the concept of this character. Zenok is described as a "fence" and a quick wikipedia description will explain that this is an individual who knowingly buys stolen goods in order to later resell them for profit.

His shop is out in the open and his stolen goods represent various bit and bobs, such as expensive furniture, which also include rare artifacts which I am going to get into a bit of a ranty stage now.

HOW THE HELL IS ZENOK GETTING ITEMS THAT ORIGINALLY BELONG TO A SHOPKEEPER. As a reminder, a typical merchant is someone selling generic goods. In this world a shopkeeper, or keeper for short, is completely different to a merchant. A shopkeeper is someone who keeps various powerful artifacts with god like powers, and only gives them away through an acceptable transaction. Should the person be finished with the artifact, such as via death (unless of course you agree to work with ancient galactic deities who resurrect you in perfect condition every-time you die), then the artifact returns to the shopkeeper. However there is NO WAY any shopkeeper would allow his/her/there goods to be stolen without some sort of punishment/curse on the thief, just look at what happened to Roshan. So the fact that Zenok is able to get many of this artifacts and items such as void stone and vitality booster is absurd.

I really hope this part of the lore is changed, it really ruins things.

Other White Spire characters

  • Connie: One of Julls more full-time goons. Apart from running the Sundered Moon during the daytime she also handles a bit of HR and advertising, as seen in the Sundered Moon, on behalf of Jull.
  • Tanayin: Tanayin is the leader of a vigilante group called Friends of Tanayin, who wish to rid White Spire from criminal activity and evil ungoings. Although they seem to see anyone as undead, bad or good, as a potential target which might mean they will get into conflict with Carl. Whether Tanayin is a future underlord remains to be seen, I was thinking about a knight/soldier themed underlord after all.
  • YipYip: YipYip is Enno's seneschal, at least acting as his translator. It is unknown he is the same species as Enno, although his name indicates that he probably is.
  • Brekin: Brekin is a pit fighter under Greks payroll, and it is not clear if he is part of Grek's species or is a human/Meranth hybrid (whatever they were called) like Sven. Used to have Monkey King as a fellow fighting partner, back when Brekin focused on staged/fake fights, before Grek decided to push towards more blood sports.
  • Reginald Blight the Third: Reginald is the current spokesman for the Cadaver Men, an undead advocacy group. Seems to only really care for his members of other citizens concerns.

Other White Spire Facts

  • Given Pangoliers and Dark Willow's dialogue in dota 2, despite this whole street war it appears
    that White Spire is still intact with courier races still occurring. However it is still unclear on what the timeline is.
  • Some of may have seen the dota map to understand the world generally looks like. Given Julls smuggling business, I predict that White Spire is either on the north-eastern (south east of Ice wrack) or north western part (south west of Icewrack) of the map. This is not a guarantee, but it would mean the journey back and forth from dark reef would be incredibly long if neither of the two cases applied. Then again there could exist mAGiC sEA CuRrEnTs, so who knows.
  • White Spire is famed for its courier races. Given the current map, it appears that the Warrens is the only place that has an arena indicating that the races take place there . Then again we haven't seen the map expanded to the other parts of White Spire.
  • White Spire is the definition of a true city state, if you look at the map it is massive. We may have not seen all the other regions of White Spire. These include the farming provinces, and potentially an underwater settlement given how big the underwater kingdoms actually are.
  • Mama Eeb and Weeping Rose organised a non-aggression pact before her death, now Weeping Rose has their eye set on the city-state and either wish to fully occupy it or have it as a vassal city-state.
  • The Warrens might actually have some form of complex natural ecosystem. The area hosts both wolves and various other creatures which are hunted for food and other material.
  • There used to be some sort of law and order in White Spire, which included a proper court system (the rookery was originally a true jail) and a police force. If there was some government, it collapsed through the actions of Momma Eeb and for other unknown reasons. The city state is now run by crime lords, or even warlords, so think of an extreme fantasy version of St Paulo.
  • There exists a militia guard, comprising of average citizens. Some seem to accept the underlords presence and power, others get too cocky and have to be made an example of. Also questing knights seeking chivalrous heroics do attempt to bring justice to the streets. It is implied that such attempts fail in the long term.


Help Needed, Future Plans and thanks to contributers
Help needed

There are a few things that I am a bit unclear of, and I really could use the help from the rest of the community on these issues.

  • Rookery might not be owned by the Ravenhooks. There is constant references about the Rookery being burned, and the relationship between the Ravenhooks and Hobgen is confusing in that regard. For all we know, it could just be a joke by the developers about scrapping the jail system, because Hobgen burned it down.

Future Plans

I will keep updating the guide as more info comes for season 2 via early bird. When season 2 comes out, I am not sure it will in terms of expanding the lore. For example if we were to continue to have early bird releases, but city crawl is gone for a more generic dungeon explorer that doesn't talk too much on lore.

As for lore on heroes, I am not really sure. I wonder if that should be a more generic dota 2 guide on steam, or posted here.

Otherwise I am going to skip doing Wren and Quiet for now. They are barely talked about and don't have much lore. Turath has been discussed about because he is confirmed to be in season 2, despite not having more lore.

Special thanks
I like to thank the following who helped me with mistakes I made, or recommended a piece of lore to add (although note I am not adding you as an editor, so don't ask for requests)
- AngerMania: For showing multiple things in her youtube vids that I have taken note of myself.
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Update News (recent update 06/07/20)
06/07/20

Again the next update is in progress as this particular section has just been added. Once again we now have confirmation that Grek is the very same fight booker originally appearing in Monkey's comic. His section has had some edits, in particular some info regarding his first appearence.

I have also added a small subsubsection regarding all the minor characters that have had a quick mention but otherwise there is very little about them we know. These will include characters like YipYip and Tanayin.

Otherwise the other things mentioned are
- Ennos concern over the dire cult
- A bit of info regarding Ennos seneschal
- Another cult wants to kill Anessix......
- A few minor edits have been made to various sections, mostly regarding speculated lords. Also various spelling mistakes have been fixed, I am really bad at missing many of these out.

The next lord should still be Turath, but we won't see him until at least three weeks time. Really hoping for season 2, things have definiately been a bit slow.

Also I have ran out of room for Anessix's section. Depending on how important some of her lore is I might need to split Anessix's section in two but we will see.

13/06/20

The next update is in progress. However this little section is getting updated first before making any changes to anything else. I know I said I was going to update the guide every week with these early bird releases, but really a lot of the headlines were very minor and not impactful. So I am going to doing updates when either
1) A new underlord has been previewed
2) The early bird has officially finished its 14 week run.

I have read through the ingame files, and I will confirm that the four new underlords that we will be previewed, or have already been previewed, in the early bird newspaper are
  • Carl
  • O'nia
  • Grek
  • Turath

It does mean that J'Muy chances of a playable underlord look shaky. I am not surprised though, the development team of Artifact 2.0 might have special plans for the character. So I have edited quite a bit of his bio, and moved him to background characters/

The big new subsection I am adding is for Turath, an upcoming underlord. For now I am leaving out the lore speculation for Quiet and Wren, since they do not seem to be coming in the next season.

There is a slightly big update for O'nia. Even the early bird release did not reveal too much about her character, it did encourage to double check a few things about her character and I realised that there were many parts of her lore that I missed out on.

Other things that I have mentioned are
  • Anessix's relationship with Queen of Pain
  • A quick mention of one of Jull's goons, Connie
  • A few bits and bobs about Enno fighting the undead, and whether they are related or not to the Cadaver Men
  • A brief mention of a potential new underlord for season 3, mentioned in other White Spire facts, but we will have to see.
  • Moved J'Muy to background characters for the time being.

On a minor note, I have looked though the early bird releases for the next 8-9 weeks. That is how I know Turath is coming, despite being barely mentioned in city crawl. While I could just update the lore about them, what I have noticed is that they are subject to random changes whenever the developers feel like them.

Again, thank you all for subscribing to this guide, I will continue updating this guide. The next update might come in two weeks time, that is roughly when we are going to see Grek (again though that could change. )
Комментариев: 12
RNA-Escape  [создатель] 6 июл. 2020 г. в 7:01 
Another update is hear. I am considering adding speculated lore sections for Wren and Quiet and shifting the individual sections for the four confirmed underlords in whole chapters. This will be done in three weeks, once we get Turath confirmed, in which by then we should start hearing news on season 2. Again thanks to all who subscribed.
RNA-Escape  [создатель] 13 июн. 2020 г. в 8:54 
Hi everyone, thanks for all subscribing to this thread. So new information has turned up regarding what O'Nia is and what she does. Furthermore we now know who the four underlords are going to be in season 2.

I will make another update in 2 weeks to a months time, whenever Grek makes his debut.
RNA-Escape  [создатель] 21 мая. 2020 г. в 2:22 
Alright finally done with the recent early bird update. There will another update very soon, although not sure how big it will be.
RNA-Escape  [создатель] 14 мая. 2020 г. в 23:41 
Hey everyone, I know it has been a while since I updated. Most of this was due to lack of motivation from the lack of significant updates this game has had. However now with this weekly birds announced, I feel a bit more motivated to at least give smaller updates. For example, now we know that Carl is a corpse. Stay tuned for more updates, especially when it comes to spelling corrections.
Farkham 21 апр. 2020 г. в 22:47 
Great work! Keep it up that this is some real good archiving you are doing for the lore community!
Dreioo 2 апр. 2020 г. в 0:45 
This is beautiful work!
RNA-Escape  [создатель] 17 мар. 2020 г. в 15:07 
@Angelxoxo69

You were not hostile at all.

Given that the speculated underlords are all interested in White Spire sort of indicates that we will just see White Spire expanded. For example we could see a farmland area, where we know that Mama Eeb had a "countryside retreat". There could be an underground section, habitable for the undead or a certain cult that hates the light.
Angelxoxo6969 TT 16 мар. 2020 г. в 18:13 
I did read all of it and didnt mean to come of as hostile if i came off like that!

How do you think the story will work when we go to more serious / dangerous places like Weeping Rose? I cant see any of the current or future (other than turath) having a reason to take over weeping rose for themselves. Or maybe we wont ever leave white spire fully?
RNA-Escape  [создатель] 16 мар. 2020 г. в 15:24 
16/03/20 update is here, lots of corrections and clarifications all around.
RNA-Escape  [создатель] 16 мар. 2020 г. в 0:54 
@Angelxoxo69

Since these characters do not really have a set design, then there is nothing stopping the developers from suddenly deciding that they want to add in a completely new character and even scrapping these underlords. If season 3 ever happens, and they continue giving four new underlords per season, we are going to be seeing another brand new underlord anyway.

Anyway thanks for reading the guide or at least parts of it.