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But, I guess, we are talking about a demographic that has overall, to a smaller or larger degree, these aspects/factors of loneliness and sexual repression.
Well not much more to say about this topic, for now.
Thanks for your input guys; This has helped me understand a few things further, but, I guess, the journey isn't over yet.
Meanwhile... One of the new games on Steam, Sonicomi...
"Here we go again".
Tbh, i don't really know about the Eroge - ecchi relationship. Most probably they just have the concepts. Since the Japanese who watch anime don't care about the Ecchi, then they just add it for those who like Ecchi.
Imma delete some of my previous comments. This thread doesn't really need those.
Well, thanks for the input. That kinda summarizes it... I think? Was mostly realizing the situation, but, was just confirming things.
I don't think I am the exception and in the minority - Western viewers find it weird that they are supposed to enjoy a story and then, suddenly, a porn scene (again, differentiating it from Western representations of sex in movies/tv shows).
Well, "average" viewers. The equivalent of the Otakus likely think the same as them.
@pondrthis
re: Khoon's words - Maybe he just doesn't have more to say; I think what he said is fair enough, if not anything completely new or game-changing.
re: eroge-ecchi
Well, ironically, I don't think you answered this.
I appreciate the cultural context (partially knew that), but, I was more asking about this theme in Otaku culture and how this whole Eroge phenomenon (that you two have explained to me) relates to the wider topics of Ecchi, sex appeal and sexual content in anime(-themed things).
I have mod powers for my review, heh.
As far as I can tell, the only real connection there is Japanese (mainstream, not otaku) culture. In addition to being a sexually repressed culture, Japan believes that one's "public life," aka "reputation" or "persona," is separate and nonreflective of one's personal life, or "true self." One must always strive to present a collected and conformed quasi-individual, according to their ethos and mores. The counterpart to that demand on a person is that it's tacitly understood that people aren't actually just Japan-obots. Activities that we see as lacking in moral fiber--e.g., soliciting prostitution or purchasing deviant pornography--are "acceptable" in Japan as long as they're kept out of the public eye. One's private life, as long as it stays private, isn't to be judged in Japan precisely because they're so judgmental about the public life.
In other words, they're all REALLY GOOD at keeping their dark secrets hidden, lol.
Maybe you should picture it like this. The story is the main point, the hentai scenes are the add-ons.
We classify the majority of the audience into two: Those who buy the VN because there H-scenes, and those who BUY FOR THE STORY but don't really care whether the scenes exist or not. (you are one of the exceptions)
And that's it. Since people who bought it for the story don't really care about the scenes even if they are there, then why not put it for the ones who buy the VN just for those scenes? They will not lose anyone for including the scenes, but they will lose a bit for not including them.
And if you're a well-known author. Then you don't need to include 'those people' who buy purely for porn and instead reach for a more respectable audience.
Most eroge, on the other hand, only have pure, full consent between both parties, kind of scenes.
Imagine in a hypothetical scenario where you can actually be 'in love' with anime characters. So how are you gonna do it? Just like in real life you don't want to fck a stranger. You want to have a girlfriend. Marry her. And then you do it in bed. What's the best thing you can hope for other than VNs? You can supposedly date them in these novels and do it all the way.
Do those also have too weak stories and poor immersion?
I immediately assumed that the purpose of porn in Eroge VNs was the same as it was elsewhere - to "satisfy lust" - but I wasn't sure; I didn't know that basically the entire VN playerbase was sociallysexually repressed Otakus.
I still don't get why they wouldn't just watch porn/erotica, be it real life or drawn, be it videos or images; Yeah, I get the "fake" aspect but are VNs so much better?
I like to keep sexual things separated from non-sexual ones, so, it confuses me that so many of them like to play these "normal" VNs and have porn scenes in them.
Do these VN players even care about the other qualities of a VN or is it all about the porn and it "feeling more real" due to the context the story provides?
pondrthis said that an author needs to be established via Eroge in order to even have their VNs without porn published - but why do VNs without porn even sell, then?