Are FOIL card drops unfair?

[:ekoe]

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THIS IS NO LONGER AN ISSUE, THE LEVEL REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tradingcards#announcements/detail/1841125172458809088
PLEASE DO NOT BUMP THIS THREAD, but by all means view it if you wish

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Is it just me or does the way foil cards drop seem very unfair?

Only lvl 10+ people even have a chance of getting foils. On the face of it, it sounds reasonable... But then when you realize that you had to use up all of your drops to get the badges just so you could make it to lvl 10 in the first place...

It sucks, because now you will _never_ get another drop in those games, so basically it was impossible for you to ever get a foil card from the start.

A level requirement is understandable, but at least give those of us who wasted all our drops before level 10 a way to possibly get some foils. Or remove the level requirement.

I'm not saying I have the solution, but I just think this needs to have some more thought put into to be more fair.

I almost feel like not playing games that drop cards until I make it to level 10 so that I at least have some non-zero chance of getting a foil. It shouldn't be this way.

[Soluna]

My sentiments exactly.
But meh, this is business I guess, and newer players like me will just have to suck it, even though I'm very active on steam, and owning more than 30 fully paid games with money out of my pocket.

[✔️ DemKy Nigerian Prince]

Soluna eredeti hozzászólása:

My sentiments exactly.
But meh, this is business I guess, and newer players like me will just have to suck it, even though I'm very active on steam, and owning more than 30 fully paid games with money out of my pocket.

30 game really ?

I'm a gamer, I use steam because I love game.
They don't care about gamerz they just want traders and profit from market.

[generatedname]

DemKy eredeti hozzászólása:

Soluna eredeti hozzászólása:

My sentiments exactly.
But meh, this is business I guess, and newer players like me will just have to suck it, even though I'm very active on steam, and owning more than 30 fully paid games with money out of my pocket.

30 game really ?

I'm a gamer, I use steam because I love game.
They don't care about gamerz they just want traders and profit from market.

a trading card thing is for the traders and profit from market.

the games they make, the store they created with low prices, constant sales...those are for the gamers.

[Pielord]

DemKy eredeti hozzászólása:

I had 0% chance to drop a premium card.

But you can still level up and get some for new games being added.

[Darkslayer16]

Soluna eredeti hozzászólása:

My sentiments exactly.
But meh, this is business I guess, and newer players like me will just have to suck it, even though I'm very active on steam, and owning more than 30 fully paid games with money out of my pocket.

30 games is nothing.. you would just get people buying a few indie bundles and farming foil cards on their alts.

[BBFlow]

Foil cards are expensive just because they are hard to get, same with some vintage itens, there is nothing unfair about the price, the higher the price, "better" the badge, cause the only utility is about the valor, it won't affect your gameplay or something.

The only unfair thing who could happen would be they change the system, make it easier, way cheaper and screw with those few collectors who bought those rare badges for a nice amount of $. That would be unfair.

[:ekoe]

Luxcifer eredeti hozzászólása:

Foil cards are expensive just because they are hard to get, same with some vintage itens, there is nothing unfair about the price, the higher the price, "better" the badge, cause the only utility is about the valor, it won't affect your gameplay or something.

The only unfair thing who could happen would be they change the system, make it easier, way cheaper and screw with those few collectors who bought those rare badges for a nice amount of $. That would be unfair.

Nobody said it was unfair because of the price. The discussion was about your chances of getting a foil being zero until you reach level 10.

The rarity need not change just to make things even either. They can simply make it even more rare, but due to removing the level restriction the same percentage of foil cards will exist and so nothing will change about their value.

That was the original topic. But now I think the discussion is mainly about the potential for exploitation if the level restriction is removed because people can make many accounts and farm them.

[b0keh]

Farm foil cards making new accounts? How that can work if they aren't even level 10 and can't be before serious money spending or being in Steam from the start.

Staysys, when did they remove level restriction to get foil cards?

[BBFlow]

Staysys eredeti hozzászólása:

Luxcifer eredeti hozzászólása:

Foil cards are expensive just because they are hard to get, same with some vintage itens, there is nothing unfair about the price, the higher the price, "better" the badge, cause the only utility is about the valor, it won't affect your gameplay or something.

The only unfair thing who could happen would be they change the system, make it easier, way cheaper and screw with those few collectors who bought those rare badges for a nice amount of $. That would be unfair.

Nobody said it was unfair because of the price. The discussion was about your chances of getting a foil being zero until you reach level 10.

The rarity need not change just to make things even either. They can simply make it even more rare, but due to removing the level restriction the same percentage of foil cards will exist and so nothing will change about their value.

That was the original topic. But now I think the discussion is mainly about the potential for exploitation if the level restriction is removed because people can make many accounts and farm them.

Well, in that case I may simple disagree with that, people should simple play the games and have fun with the cards, instead of holding it for a little chance of getting something better and achieving lvl 10 for other reason than want to be lvl 10, also some people would get the cards without knowing they could "block" it annnnnnd this would still make the foil cards price drop, Steam can make more money without this block system and people will have less stress with it, doesn't sound like something necessary.

[Pielord]

b0keh eredeti hozzászólása:

Farm foil cards making new accounts? How that can work if they aren't even level 10 and can't be before serious money spending or being in Steam from the start.

Staysys, when did they remove level restriction to get foil cards?

They didn't. He said the portential for exploitation if they removed it, which is exactly what you are saying. They currently can't be exploited, but this thread is talking about removing the limit which would make it exploitable.

[Pielord]

Luxcifer eredeti hozzászólása:

Staysys eredeti hozzászólása:

Nobody said it was unfair because of the price. The discussion was about your chances of getting a foil being zero until you reach level 10.

The rarity need not change just to make things even either. They can simply make it even more rare, but due to removing the level restriction the same percentage of foil cards will exist and so nothing will change about their value.

That was the original topic. But now I think the discussion is mainly about the potential for exploitation if the level restriction is removed because people can make many accounts and farm them.

Well, in that case I may simple disagree with that, people should simple play the games and have fun with the cards, instead of holding it for a little chance of getting something better and achieving lvl 10 for other reason than want to be lvl 10, also some people would get the cards without knowing they could "block" it annnnnnd this would still make the foil cards price drop, Steam can make more money without this block system and people will have less stress with it, doesn't sound like something necessary.

At this point when they have said something changing it would be more unfair to the people who now own the cards.

[treats]

I don't give at all about foils. I play games for the fun of it, I'm not looking to earn money from playing them. Being able to sell the cards for playing the games I like for some wallet funds is just an extra bonus.

I'm personally against removing the level restriction completely, due to the problems of account farming. It's already bad enough what with TF2 idlers/inflation.

As for lowering the level restriction, I'd be up for that. Maybe level 7 or 8 would be nice, though they'd have to reduce the foil chance a bit just to balance out people buying cards from the market on farm accounts to get to the level.

b0keh eredeti hozzászólása:

Staysys, when did they remove level restriction to get foil cards?

They didn't, you're reading what he's saying incorrectly.

[BBFlow]

At this point when they have said something changing it would be more unfair to the people who now own the cards. [/quote]

This is what I tried to say in my first post, I think I talked too much but put too much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on it

[b0keh]

Pielord eredeti hozzászólása:

They didn't. He said the portential for exploitation if they removed it, which is exactly what you are saying. They currently can't be exploited, but this thread is talking about removing the limit which would make it exploitable.

Vincent2128 MacHK eredeti hozzászólása:

They didn't, you're reading what he's saying incorrectly.

Thanks, i did make mistake.

[Pielord]

Aiden Khaal eredeti hozzászólása:

I agree completly, foils should be rare because there is a fair, but still small chance to get them in ANY game. Making it so that you have zero chance of getting them in the games you already have and would love to get a foil from the most is stupid.

If you had a chance no matter what there would be lots of farming so it wouldn't be rare.